Jaguar - finished, Szumo declared winner
 

This is the overspill game from my new/newish players game, which has ended up a bit oversubscribed. So far I have pencilled in:

sum1won - Pythium
Arghaii - Atlantis
Starshine Monarch - Bandar Log
Sieger - Ermor
zakna - Shinuyama
Szumo - R'lyeh
Lazy_Perfectionist - Agartha
carlosib - Abysia
Loren - Man

It'll be an MA game, with 9 players on the Parganos map (Edi's fixed version, which I'll link to when I get a mo - in the meantime you can use the link in the Capybara thread).

All settings on default. Well use the Worthy Heroes mod and the Blessing Hotfix. Both of these are minor mods which add small improvements to the game (more heroes and fully working blessing for undead, respectively). You don't need them to make your pretender but again you can follow the links in the Capybara thread.

If you're fairly new to multiplayer and fancy a game, please sign up. The game will start sometime early-middle of next week.

Oh - I'm going with a South American mammal theme for my game names, but have run out of such mammals for the moment. The first one to name a South American mammal (other than Llama, Alpaca, Capybara and Armadillo) gets to have the game named after his mammal! What greater opportunity could you imagine?

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Jaguar?

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Starshine_Monarch... you are the WINNER!

Jaguar it is.

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Jaguar is fine although I personally think the chinchilla is a great South American mammal.

I'd be interested in playing in this game, currently the only MP game I've played is the original llamaserver Alpaca game so I think I qualify as a newbie.

I'd like to play Ermor but would be willing to play Ulm instead.

Also could we use the Blessing Hotfix mod as well?

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Well since this is a newbie game, I think we should try and keep it as plain as possible.

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So Starshine, shall we say you're playing in this game rather than the other one? Shall I delete your pretender from Capybara?

Sieger - the chinchilla is indeed a top mammal. I will add it to my list. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Oh, actually I think it might be a good idea to play with the Blessing Hotfix - good idea, since otherwise you will be stuffed if you take a blessing as Ermor, if I understand correctly.

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I will take Atlantis, if that's ok.

As for the hotfix, do we have to download something and place it somewhere?

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Yeah, delete by pretender from Capybara. I'm keeping the same one for this though.

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Is this a server game or PBEM

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Pythium pythium pythium?

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Hi Remmy,

It's a PBEM game, but using my automated server which checks its e-mails every five minutes, hosts automatically, and has a status page (see www.llamaserver.net ). I think it's somewhere in between direct connect games and ordinary PBEM games in terms of convenience.

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hello im interested in this no preference on nations.

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Cool zakna, you're in. Most of the nations are available, so try to form an opinion and pick one you like. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Similarly Yucky and Lily.

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I'd like to join as R'lyeh.

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Right, I have created the game (see the website), and if you want to you can now upload your pretenders. To do that:

- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name, 'Jaguar', in the subject line of your e-mail

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Actually, I'd better pull out of this one. I somehow managed to forget that I'm away most of next week so it's probably not the best time to start a new game.

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I'd like to try out Eriu, sorry for taking so long.

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I'm certainly interested.
I work six days a week, but am free enough in my downtime. I play (or rather, plan pretenders) over an hour a day.
Is it still open? When's it kick into action?
What's these two mods?
What's your desired turns/day rate?

Now, I've been playing only EA Ctis... so I'll need a little time in SP to come up with a MA strat and pretender. Or, I guess I could just take a random side and super combatant. But, for now, a provisional request for Ctis.

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Yep Lazy_Perfectionist, still open, I will put you down for C'tis, although you can change later if you want. I don't know much about MA C'tis, except that they have the Miasma - your dominion screws up other people's incomes and diseases any non-lizard troops. So I guess you have to decide whether you want a strong dominion to kill everyone, or a weak one to keep friends. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

It'll be 24hr quickhost*, at least for the first say 30-40 turns. When it reaches that point we can extend it to 48 hours if people want. But at any time, if anyone's away for a weekend or anything we can always pause the timer.

The two mods:
Worthy Heroes - There are more heroes for each nation, often quite interesting and fun.
Blessing Hotfix - Allows blessing of undead, which doesn't work quite right in the base game. This is quite important if Ermor wants a bless strategy.

Both the mods are linked at the start of the Capybara thread. I'll link them in this thread when I get round to it.

* - 24hr quickhost means the game hosts when everyone has sent their turns in, or 24hrs after the last hosting, whichever is sooner. In practice this means you always have at least 24 hours from when you took your last turn to take your current turn - but if everyone is taking their turns quickly the game can move nice and fast.

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Cool Yucky, I'll put you down for Eriu.

We'll probably use Parganos for the map. It'll be Edi's fixed version (see the link in the Capybara thread). So you probably have all information you need to design your pretenders, so upload them whenever you're ready.

The game won't start till sometime next week though - sometime Monday-Thursday probably, depending when sum1won can start (his holidays start next week, and he would rather not start before then). This gives everyone a chance to play with their nations a bit and think about pretenders, if you want to.

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Hmm... interesting point, llamabeast. Making instant enemies is one way to die... But combined with certain globals I could get insanely wealthy. Probably best for me to try another race. I'll experiment with a few others, but my default will remain C'tis, because I have some familiarity with them. If I can get a handle on another, and like it, I'll let you know.

And... first Dom mp game here... Can two people select the same nation, or should I narrow my practice sessions to ones not already claimed?

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I'd like to join as Abysia if it's still open.
Thanks
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Robble robble?
Blessing Hot Fix
Worthy Heroes
Edi's fixed Parganos

Robble robble!
Epic Heroes - interesting idea, but I haven't tried it

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Lazy - two people can't select the same nation, so you have to choose from the ones which haven't been taken yet.

carlosib - cool, I'll put you down.

Lazy again - Robble robble? Anyway, thanks very much, that's very helpful. Epic Heroes is indeed interesting, but it changes the game a great deal. Also they're just starting the first test game with it (also on the LlamaServer, so I've been following it), so it probably isn't really final yet. We won't use it this time, I think.

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Ah, I forgot to say - it would be a little better if everyone's pretenders _didn't_ have passwords on. Unlike a network game, no-one else will have access to your turns anyway (they won't be e-mailed them). If you don't have a password it will make it easier for a sub to take over should you disappear.

It doesn't matter too much though (especially if you don't intend to disappear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ), so don't worry about re-uploading if you've already sent your pretender in.

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I did send the pretender, but i'm not on the "Nations joined so far" list?

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Robble robble? Completely random, one-time channeling of the HamBurgler. I've narrowed my choices for this game down to Agartha and Shinuyama, leaning towards Agartha. Don't worry about reserving any particular one, just yet. If I take to long to make up my mind, its my problem.

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I should be able to send my stuff in tommorow evening, unless something comes up.

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Cool. Loren has signed up by PM as well, so the game is full!

sum1won - let me know when you'll be able to start the game. I'll be away this weekend, back Monday. I can start the game then, or we can wait a day or two if you want.

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My decision is final- I'm going with Agartha. I've gotta settle on a strat and Pretender, though.

Little Old Lady, Tomb Raider, Who Let the Dogs Out, Earthworm Jim, or Brains... Brains....

Translated:
Suicide Crone, Ghost King, Drakaina, Ageless Olm, Risen Oracle

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What's with the "suicide crone"?

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Twiceborn. Gets rid of the old age, and makes her tougher to boot. All without magic halving penalties. My test, I did lose an arm though. It's not much of a strategic advantage, but it is fun, and makes the little old lady a little less vulnerable and/or senile. Think of her as a (non-immortal) discount lich. I'm almost certain I got lucky and got a free level of death magic, to boot. I'm afraid though, that unless I can come up with a good base expansion strat, I'm going to have to go Super Combatant.

Now how do I attach screenshots, or do I have to upload them to an external hoster....

http://i18.tinypic.com/4rcbnko.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/4zavm8n.jpg

Now, those numbers are a little misleading. They're the result of six dominion. The base numbers are 21 (+25 dom, though how that math works out is beyond me... Golem Cult?), 17 strength (+6 dom, -1 arm lost), attack 12 (exp+1, fire+4), morale 18, defense 12 (+4 water, +1 exp, -1 equipment, MR 16 (+3 dom), precis 10, and leadership is 35 normal, 220 undead, 40 magic versus the original crone's 100, 150, 40.

Keep in mind both the crone and Wight Mage come without any built in equipment. And of course, she gets the weaknesses of undeath, but does get CR, PR, NNE, and Chill 7.

While, unfortunately, Twice Reborn isn't an option for my human mages, it is an option for my Oracles. I was hoping I could get around the human's old age, but alas... Well... if my Oracle's get diseased to death, I just have to give them +1 death magic, an easy enough task.

Also, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to properly update the defense when I equip the helmets. I think I'll have to hop over to the bug thread.

Huh... I played it a little further... Equipped with some lesser magic items, she died again, w/o any benefits when soloing an army 200 strong, with a dozen or so elephants. I wonder why... Breath of winter is a nice touch, though, combines with the chill nicely. I got her 100 percent or more resistance to fire, ice, poison, and if I'd still had another arm, shock.

Oh, and BTW, when she dies, and is called back, its still as a wight mage.

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w00t. I noticed the Twiceborn spell but never got to play around with it, I guess I'll give it greater attention now.

The helmet thing could have to do with her only having one arm. That has already been reported in the bug thread.

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So.. ten players? How big is Paragonos, again? I won't have access to the game till 10 tonight. It's hardly necessary, but I'd appreciate it if someone told me how many land/water provinces are available.

Is it true that you can scan a real map into the game and have it convert into a game map? Where would I look to learn more about this feature?

I'd love to fight over Florida one day.

Edit:
RE:Ich and bug
Thanks for letting me know about that.
I'm interested in seeing if Twiceborn produces different results depending on my starting pretender's skills.
FYI, while you can cast it on something big, like a Wyrm or Ageless Olm, it turns out as more of a downgrade- except for the fact that you still keep all your magic. But after a SC, a wight mage is rather dinky. But for a low cost rainbow, old-age pretender - nice.

I'm thinking of doing an experiment with a somewhat plain titan like the Lord of Rebirth (also Agartha), Forge Lord (also Agartha- do I keep the forge bonus), Master Druid (do I stay stealthy), Frost Father (chill cumulative with Wight's), and most interestingly, a Bakemono Kunshu (Shinuyama), which is immortal yet not undead, and in theory, a target for the spell. Pheonix would teach me the same lesson. Of course, I don't have time for all of these yet- so I may run a quick test with a Phoenix in my next practice of my expansion strategy.

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Parganos is 116 land, 19 sea. So 10 players is not a lot of land each, but is similar to the amount you get in Gandalf's games, if any of you have ever played on them.

The Capybara game seems to have lost one of its players. There's still a couple of hours until the deadline when I said I'd look for a replacement, but it's looking less hopeful. If he doesn't show up, I'm going to restart the game and allow whoever takes his place to pick their own nation and pretender. So, I was wondering if any of you would volunteer to swap to that game? It will restart as soon as you can get your pretender to me, tomorrow hopefully.

If you would like to switch to that game, please post here and e-mail me your pretender directly (llamabeast[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net). Obviously pick a nation no-one else in Capybara has taken.

Capybara has 8 players, also on Parganos. And if someone switches I will probably leave this game with 9.

Lazy - if you use Twiceborn, make sure she dies in your dominion! That's a very costly mistake I've made before.

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I'm willing to switch. I think 9 players would be a more fun game on this map (the map recommends 6-8).

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Ok, ive chosen my nation it will be Shinuyama

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Cool, thanks Yucky. I already have your pretender, so I'll do the switch shortly unless Xanatos shows up.

zakna - Cool, I'll put you down for Shinuyama. I guess that means Lazy_P will probably be Agartha.

Lazy_P - It is true, but I don't know much about it. I recommend asking the question in the Mods and Maps forum.

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Okay, Yucky has successfully been deported to Capybara. That leaves us with 9, which I think is good (it says 6-8, but personally I always find the provided player numbers too small - I think nine players fit fine on Parganos).

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I've been looking back at the first post. What's this about 20 players?

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I should have my pretender sent soon. Way before monday, at any rate.

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20 players was a typo for 10 players, which should in fact have read 9 players. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Fixed!

sum1won - cool. So are you saying you'd be happy to start as soon as you get your pretender in? There's no desperate rush if you need to wait till school finishes. Although starting sooner is better I guess.

Okay, so everyone should get their pretenders in. If sum1won says it is okay, I will set the server to start automatically as soon as all 9 pretenders are in (I will be away until Monday night, so we'll just have to hope it works smoothly!).

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I've got my basic pretender designed... Just having trouble deciding on the scales. I know exactly what magic and shape I'm taking, though. And whether to wake or sleep... I've got to figure that out.

Hmmm... Choices, choices, choices...

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I changed my pretender from the Capybara game a little bit, sending it in now.

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Mentioning wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._South_America
When do you want my Pretender in by? Whatever the last minute is, I'll be in by then and no later. So don't be too generous with me.

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Well, I'm not sure exactly when we're starting, depends on sum1won. But being as I think he implied he is good to start whenever, let's say Tuesday morning, which is when I get back from holiday.

Okay, so:
Deadline for pretenders: Monday night
Game will start: Tuesday morning, even if pretenders are missing.

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Does Llamaserver automatically send turns to the addresses it got the 2h files from?

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Yep, it does.

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ok sounds good ill have time to study the Shinuyama http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif