Dom 9 or Dom 10?
 

Little question to you people out there that like awake SCs. I'm thinking about making one in a new game, and I was curious if there's a huge difference between awe +0 and awe +2 from the 9-10 dominion shift? I get two scales worth of ticks if I go from awe +2 to +0. Or could buy up some more magic paths.

Let me know what you think. The SC in question is a kraken.

Jazzepi

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Of course you go for 10. You can get better titles that way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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And this is why you never win. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Jazzepi

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Yes, there is a huge difference - around 16%, I'd guess. Check the chart on page 5. No guarantees I understand the mechanics correctly, but here's my interpretation.

If you're facing standard 10 morale troops, you could expect to suffer around a third less blows or so as compared directly to awe 0. But compared to the total number of attacks, awe 2 might be expected to protect you from 70% of attacks. That's not as great as it may seem, since a 14 morale troop would hit you 62 % of the time. To consider though, it requires no research, benefits from friendly dominion (weakens enemy morale), and morale is not a static number, and is influenced in a variety of ways. Unlike defense, awe is not reduced by fatigue, and usually increases in value as a battle drags on.

In conclusion, I can't make up my mind.

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Keep in mind Krakens have a base of like 250 hitpoints. attacking from a 2 candle province brings you well over 300.

Jazzepi

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I almost always take an awake pretender. To answer your question: it depends on how badly the scales are needed for a particular nation and what kind of awake pretender is it.

If it is a combat pretender that mostly uses fear to take out indy's then yea... I'll almost always take dom10. If it is a pretender that can take a beating and you are pressed for scales then I would consider taking dom9 or maybe even lower and just play conservatively.

Safest bet: Run the build with your nation through a test game and see how safely they take out indies. If it can do it just fine with Dom9 or less you can save some points.

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Depends on your model. A gorgon can probably get by with 9, since it's part of a compound defense. A prince of death probably wants 10, and enough death magic to boost fear radius a bit as well.

For me, the choice isn't between 9 and 10, it's more between 5/dormant or imprisoned and 10/awake. Once you've gone that far in your concept, you might as well see it through.

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Velusians tip is sound. Play a few test games uptil turn 15 or so and see how well you do with your build.

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I ran the build with Dom 10. I really tried my hardest to get the pretender killed with throwing it at the hardest ocean indies I could find with indy level 5. No matter what I attacked, including provinces with sea trolls and smaller krakens in them, he wouldn't even go below half.

I honestly don't think I need the scales. The only thing it would buy me is luck zero (up from misfortune 2), or magic 3 (up from magic 1). Or I could take production from sloth 3 to sloth 1, but I don't think that's terribly useful and all I'd be doing it for is the gold. None of the units I want to build have that.

Jazzepi

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I'd say I win every time, while you can't decide if you are a winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Its kindof hard for the guys who can change the rules to never win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

I was misled. I thought this thread was about Dom VERSION 9 or 10. Thats what I want. Dominions the Holodeck version.
Or Jacked-In, give me Dominions the Matrix http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well, if "teh winnar is u" is one of the titles that comes with Dom 10, I'll just have to get it.

Jazzepi

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Believe me, I'll be the first guy on the operating table, crack my skull open jack me in. Meat damage, here I come!

You die in the game, you die in real life.

Jazzepi

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AH! We have a winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Kristoffer rocks!!

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How does 'God of invincible power' sound?

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It sounds alot like "everyone kill me first" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Plz, my kraken will have 1,000 hitpoints in a dom 10 territory. HE HAS HUGE GAZONGAS!

Jazzepi

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That sounds a lot like the C'tissian god that will eventually consume the essence of the Prosecuter of Youth in the Armadillo game.

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According to the priests of MIctlan the Prosecutor of Youth is already consumed by the great GrayZ, the Earth Monster. The priests of Mictlan has seen the light and denies that they have ever spoken of a being known as the Lawgiver.

All Hail GrayZ, lord of Eriu and Mictlan.

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I think the highest HP I've ever seen on an Ancient Kraken was like 960 hp...but here's the thing! Shouldn't it be possible to wish for an Ancient Kraken, get that kraken in the hall of fame, and get the Toughness or Unequalled Obesity talent? Because-and here's the other thing! A: he'd not be a Pretender, and B: he's just a random Kraken, and by Kristoffer O's logic (in another thread) as far as I understand it (which isn't much)-Kristoffer O has drank deep from the cup of Divine Inspiration, and operates on a level far beyond us mere mortals), he (the Wished-for Kraken) wouldn't be bound by the Fates into a set destiny.

Therefor: My kraken potentially would have...EVEN BIGGER GAZONGAS!

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Correct! Imagine his tentacles !

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I ran a test with an Ancient Kraken at Dom 9. I couldn't get mine killed either against indies, and I was trying. It does get a lot of afflictions, but it has recuperation, so not that big of a deal there.

It seems to be the pretender of choice for EA water nations. Now, Kraken vs. Kraken, that's what I want to see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Hot kraken on kraken action.

Jazzepi

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Was just adding a couple of new titles (I realized that many of the new nations like bandar and agartha doesn't have national titles) when I found some other nice dom10 titles that had other criteria as well:
- Most Evil Mind
- the Creator of all Life and Existance (if you ever see this one you can safely assume the pretender is imprisoned)

I guess there are about 5-10 dom10 titles.

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It should go to 11. That would be louder.

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