MUST-HAVE..... MUST-GET-FIRST Unique Item
 

There is quite a few unique items and I was just wondering what people's preference was. Here are the questions...

1. What is your MUST-HAVE unique item?

2. What unique item do you hate your rival to use against you?

3. What unique item do you see as "useless", "unworthy", or "unnecessary"?

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If you are not playing a race that gets angels or some other sc as a national summon, Chalice is nice for the end game for tartarians.


I think after the Chalice, the Forge hammer is up there. For a race like pythium or Marignon, the forge hammer may be 1, since they get angels as sc's. But even if you do not need the chalice, it may still be number one because keeping it away from your enemies is a value also.

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The best is the Chalice, with the Mage Bane being the other contender, since they do very different things (Chalice would win hands down, but the Gift of Health global does the same thing, so there's a second option, whereas the MB is the final word in killing a single target). I will always forge the chalice the first turn I can, and the MB 1st or second (I'll wait on the hammer of the Forge Lord usually since it's 65 gems, plus my boosters are usually busy with the chalice)

Even if you have national SC summons Tartarians are either better (See Dai-Oni at 40 gems each) or differently pathed (angels) and I wouldn't really want to alch death gems to pearls to summon up angels.

The hammer of the forge lord is merely really, really nice, not a must-have by any means.

The robe of Calius the Druid is pretty high up on the "worthless" meter, as are the sandals of the crane. The Tartarian Chains are also pretty horrid.

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I tend to make good use of items that get free summons such as that wolf head item. It works well with my strategies.

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1. Chalice, must have.

2. Chalice, hate someone else having it.

3. Sandals of the Crane is fairly useless.

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You do have to hit the sc with the sword for it to kill him though. Some of the tougher sc's i have seen have a 35 defense-or glamor. So it is not automatic, especially if the sc in question can kill the sword's wielder in 1 round.

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My fav artifact was the Gate Stone, when it worked properly.

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Chalice is good, but for death-heavy nations -- especially the Ashen Empire -- the Sceptre of Dark Regency is very, very nice. And opponents likewise won't want to see the Ashen Empire get it...

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What exactly does the Chalice do? Does it heal you instantly? or what? I made it a couple of times but I dont notice its power.. :S

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1. Soulstone is my personal favorite, even thought it's much less great than in dom2.

2. Gate stone.

3. Crown of Overmight. Better than, say, sandles of the crane, but you would waste far more trying to forge it.

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Heals afflictions in the province is the main use. As a side effect it gives the user regen.

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1) The Chalice and Mage Bane are a class of their own. Hitting is not a problem
with Mage Bane. Worse come to worst, send two fliers, the first equipped, for
example, with two rat tails, a horned helmet, boots of speed, a stone bird, and a
dancing trident. There's your defense minus 40, right there. And then comes the
executioner, with Mage Bane.

Artifacts that I hate used against me... the Forbidden Light is a pain, and I've
had people complain a lot about the Arc.

As for useless, Hell, many are. And of course, the horror mark/insanity/curse
makes other not worth using.

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"1) The Chalice and Mage Bane are a class of their own. Hitting is not a problem
with Mage Bane. Worse come to worst, send two fliers, the first equipped, for
example, with two rat tails, a horned helmet, boots of speed, a stone bird, and a
dancing trident. There's your defense minus 40, right there. And then comes the
executioner, with Mage Bane."

True dat.

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My top 2 priorities are the Scepter of Dark Regency and the Soulstone of the Wolves. The Chalice is good, but I think it's more important to build so that no one else can have it rather than building it for its own merits.

There are quite a few worthless artifacts, I'm not sure which one is the bottom of the barrel. Sandals of the Crane is probably the least useful, but at least it doesn't curse or horror mark you.

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The gate stone, booots of the planes, chalice, and occasionally mage bane are the usually mentioned ones. I personally love the Aegis, though it is probably significantly weaker in MP.

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I thought the lamp that conjure the djinn was very good too.

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IMO(traveling so no manual)

Chalice
Scepter (+3D is usually very useful)
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magebane
aegis - depends, always afraid to lose it
soulstone
Hammer
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Boosters - 3 2 path books, rod if I can barely get to 8S (lots of times specific boosters get higher priority)
luck sword
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Battlefield enchants - wouldflame(kind of), unquenched, ark, ankh, harmonica -> they need one that casts darkness, would have to be pretty expensive methinks
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occasionally the +H swords, if heavy bless but few H3's

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the 2 +H sword is very useful for MA Ermor.

I like the Chalice too for tartarians

I love too :
- Nethgul too even if it's not a powerhouse
- Krupps'Bracer
- Armor of Virtue
- Tempest
- Sun Slaver for a PoD, Ethereal, Luck, MR and attack rear

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Another fav of mine - tho not technically a good artifact - is the Stone Sword. Love it! If you use it just right its a devastating weapon.

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How may i ask do you use it "just right"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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Make sure you put it on a 30+ MR SC.

I think I prefer stone sword to magebane as well. The stone sword is simply awesome in battle. A Tartarian starts with 18 or so MR, so its not too hard to get 30+ MR.

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nobody said the AEgis? My number 1
Scepter of Dark Regency #2
Mage bane #3

Most Useless: alchemist stone

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I've found myself really wishing I had the alchemist's stone when Utterdark was cast.

Sandels of the Crane are the most useless IMHO. I can't envision any circumstance I'd ever use them.

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Oh, don't discount the Stone Sword, Cor. Its quite powerful, even if it is extremely dangerous. As meglobob suggests you can bump up the MR of your SC till its practically impossible to kill with it. Or, you can use (more or less) throwaway SCs. My particular favorite was Harbingers cause they are cheap, start with good MR, and if you can summon them you can easily forge an AMA. You just have to assume that they will die within like 5 battles or so and have someone there to catch the sword when it falls.

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Sandels of the Crane -
1) a poison golem wearing jade armor and wielding a banner of the damned
2) A decently outfitted mummy
3) A moderately tough guy with good reinvig who casts a few nasty battlefield enchantments then pops around unscripted casting some of those nasty short range spells.

Sure, it's not foolproof, but for 5S it's got it's uses.

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In all those cases I'd rather put somehting else on the wearer.

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Even a guy with a bladder-stick can do lots of damage. In fact I prefer that to a poison golem. The golem puts out a cloud no matter where he lands (even in your own troops) but a bladder stick only clouds if there is someone standing there for the guy to hit. There are a number of good area affect items, and even spells, which can have a great combat effect with the crane sandals.

Items which toss out units can be good to give the crane guy also. Popping all over the battlefield and dropping a couple of units in each spot can mess up good formation planning by the other guy.

Its been particularly handy when going up against a well defended castle.

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The sandals of the crane can land the commander/mage in a deadly scenario of the wrong batch of enemies. If using the sandels of the crane then I'd recommend a commander/mage which has ritual of returning and enough hitpoints to take a 15hitpoint blow.

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1. Hammer of the Forge Lord + Forge Lord Pretender
2. The Aegis, combined with someone with High Def and MR
3. The Chalice
4. The Magic Lamp

The items that i forge the most are Pendant of Luck and the Blow of War. A couple of Iron Dragons With a Pendant of Luck + Another Gadget and Im good to go http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Blow of war! Ha!

I am a sucker for the pocket lich, the headless holburg, the pocket knight, and Nethgul or whatever.

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LOL Bow of War http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Yeah sometimes i think BLOW OF WAR is what prez Bush is on.

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LOL

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Last game I started a massive production of the helmet that gives you etheral state http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif