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Been playing "World In Conflict" a new RTS out, which posits a Soviet invasion of the US in 1989. Yes, I know it's incredibly far fetched, but the game does a very good job of making it very real, like ZSU-23-4s shooting down TV news helicopters in cutscenes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And of course, there's always that 1980s classic Red Dawn, WOLVERINES! for inspiration.

I might try my hand at making some WIC themed scenarios in the future, just for the insanity of it all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Obviously enough I'll be interested with any such scenarios... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
I was considering some kind of Alaskan invasion scenario for the CWmod at some point, dunno how far-fetched that would be, strategically speaking.
Certainly less than Ilyushins sowing paratroopers over the Seattle suburbs in a cloud of SAMs like it was 1944 all over again...

If there are interesting battles in the WIC campaigns (not to mention upcoming mods), they sure could be worth the adaptation.

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In my miniatures days, I did a quick research project for Red Dawn - the Soviets have to take Winnipeg, Manitoba to base their transport AC out of. Isolated, good runways, lightly defended, within reach of AC flying out of northern Soviet bases.

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Kinda got the impression they were flying in from Cuba from Red Dawn. Still too far for the aircraft to reach I'm fairly sure.

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From IMDB:
"It is the mid-1980s. From out of the sky, Soviet & Cuban troops begin landing on the football field of a Colorado high school."
A bit of a long flight from Havannah to Colorado http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif However I do remember some 80's or 90's SF where LPG tankers were converted to carry Hinds.

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The whole landing-from-tankers scheme has apparently been put to good use in WIC as well...
Not that the Soviet power projection abilities left much in the way of alternatives even in the 80s. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Shorter then Vladivostok to Colorado http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Ultra Large Crude Carriers (ULCC) were used by the Soviet military as helicopter carriers in Daniel daCruz's THE AYES OF TEXAS. (Secondary bad-pun title was apparently rejected for the sequel, TEXAS ON THE ROCKS, about iceberg-herding.)

Dean Ing had an enemy jet (can't recall if it was Chinese or Indian) stooging about over Texas in SYSTEMIC SHOCK, but I disremember the originating source - I know there were supertanker shenanigans elsewhere in the story, but I believe those were the only ones.

TWILIGHT 2000 would be a good source for ideas - RED STAR, LONE STAR has the remnants of a major Soviet armoured force loitering around. (What *is* it with Texas and invasions?)T2k is best suited for small-unit actions, however, the "historical" details might produce interesting battles/campaigns. (The RDF SOURCEBOOK is going to be used heavily if I ever get around to working on my early-'80s Sov invasion of Dallas.. uhm, "Iran". <G>)

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Twilight 2000 is all a bit dystopic though isn't it. I'd prefer scenarios without Nuclear wastelands and roving bands of soldiers. The earlier stuff would be better.
As for actions within the US, quite unlikely to ever be the case. The delivery methods are there but I think even the most idiotic port official (anywhere in the States) would be a bit concerned about that much hardware showing up in his backyard. Alaska is a good idea perhaps Canada too.

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Having said that Red Dawn was a good, albeit cliche, movie. I did a small scenario, just for fun, losely based on that. Winter in some small American town with a few Shilkas, Light APCs, T-80s, couple of Hinds and reserve/MP type troops. The US had A-10s some SEALS and Rangers plus a load of random partisans. The game begins with two ambushes at either end of town and the Russians have to react. Main targets are the town train station, the mayor's house and police station and various ammo/re-supply dumps. Quite playable but not quite ready to be submited.

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Here's an idea:

Modern day. Invasion of the USA by the PRC. They are the only ones who have the manpower to pull it off. The only problem is force projection. I.e. How would they get past the Navy?

I have a few possibilities thought out. Most involve clandestine means of placing a force within the US. So not plausible IRL, but an interesting thought experiment.

It would be interesting to do a few scenarios for fun though.

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Agreed.

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Sounds like fun, maybe a bit overdone in the last , what, 20 years? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Put that 10 years in the future or more, to allow some room for PLAF/PLAN force projection buildup. Clandestine actions in the first phases sound perfectly normal in such a case, just not exactly the scope of this game.
If you feel like coming up with a campaign, I'd like to see that!

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Ignoring the "little" problem with getting past the US Navy I don't think the PRC has the sealift to get a sizable force to the US.
Sure, you can load infantry and light artillery on just about anything that floats. But tanks and APC's are a whole different story.
Just look at how many ships were involved in Iwo Jima or D-Day just to land 3-5 divisions.

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AFAIK, there's three things the PLAN lacks for such long-range power projection: long range air superiority, seafaring troops carriers/LHDs/LSDs and blue-water logistics (underway replenishment). Loading things on barges isn't enough if they aren't unable to cross the Pacific.
That's what they are apparently busying themselves at, and why I said that before at least 10 years, there's no chance they get them.
Going on a tangent here, there should be number of macropolitics/economics what-ifs that could lead to a possible China-invades-CONUS... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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China doing what Japan did before and in WW2 seems more plausible. They'd need to learn to walk before they could run.

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There is a new Red Dawn scen at wargamer's games depot.

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link?

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http://www.wargamer.com/gamesdepot/details.asp?sid=4538
http://www.wargamer.com/gamesdepot/details.asp?sid=4541

IMO the second one needs a little bit of polish.

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How about NATO invading USSR to take down the red empire once and for all? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (and Kursk again once more? Tactical Nuke on NATO spearhead near Moscow?)

Or communists driving into Japan and Korea to... say, debase the US Pacific fleet?

Just my 2 cents

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Kursk 2008;). Germany vs. Russia once again...

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There seems to be a problem with the links to the Wargamer. All the download links are dead or missing. Any other sources for the scenarios?

Thanks!

Semper Fi, Carry On

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I once played wargames and wrote stories on another forum where the USA and virtually every other first-world country in the world fell apart after. Sort of like like a mix between Twilight 2000 and the Jericho TV series, only two years older than the latter.

Perhaps even more dystopic than Twilight 2000. Wars of race, religion and unashamed conquest abound. Quite a few conflicts in previously peaceful areas like Vermont, California and Scotland have had both sides sending their soldiers into battle with homemade shotguns and machetes.