Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

One of my commanders just got the Quickness heroic ability.

Is this the same as the spell?

Does he now have 2 attacks per turn?

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

No.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Click on his action points.

It'll say something like:
Base Action Points: 13
Heroic Ability: +7

He gets an extra attack every 7/13 turns, which is to say a bonus attack every other turn, as near as I can tell.

This is the same *type of bonus* that the quickness spell gives you, but it stacks, so with quickness cast on him he'd have 13 + 7 + 13 = 33 action points, and get 5 attacks / 2 turns.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

No it does not. I have a hero with +211% AP and he still only attacks once per turn. No additional attacks at all.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Are you absolutely positive? It's been a while since I checked but I could've sworn that heroic quickness gave you multiple attacks!

In Dom2 it gave you multiple spells/turn, I know for sure that it doesn't do that any more.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Why not check for yourself? You will see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

I can confirm the heroic hability quickness DOES NOT give you any additional attacks.(not that sure after all...)

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

So really, heroic quickness is not quickness at all but more like the haste spell, ie...just giving you extra movement points on the battlefield.

Is this correct?

So only the quickness spell and quickness bless give you additional attacks?

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Perhaps Heroic Quickness is bugged then?

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Well, that is at least out-dated, as the Blessing and the Spell do not stack.

It's possible that the heroic ability works the same way - that it simply does not stack with quickness - and this could be general, FX_quick and BEN_quick not stacking, you just use the higher value?

I have no heroic quickness in any of my current SP games and do not have time to do a thorough check right now.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Heroic quickness just gives you more AP, no ATK or DEF bonus, no additional attack. And no, it has nothing to do with spell quickness nor blessing, a simple, non-spell-quickened, non-blessed hero still just gets one lousy attack each round, period.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

If that's true the title should be changed to "heroic speed".

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

Heroic quickness definately gives multiple attacks per round- more than two, if its high enough. I don't have a savegame right now, but I am ninety-five percent sure that a vanadrott with heroic quickness 200 odd percent and a shadowbrand swung thrice per turn.

Re: Q. about Quickness heroic ability
 

OK I take back my words. I did get conflicting results. In one game, my fallen angel with 211% speed bonus only got one attack per turn (it has a frost band and 3-4 attacks per round is too obvious to miss). While the other test game with a priest (110% speed bonus) did get 3 attacks in the first round before it was killed. So I am puzzled here. Anyway, no ATK or DEF bonus, no games show that.