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"Romulus, My Father"
the Title.

Well they have the principle cast cast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sorry no Gary or Matt.

The Cast

It is rumored that the movie will be a remake of Balance Of Terror. This is supported by the fact that Eric Bana will be playing the Romulan Praetor Nero.

I was hoping that Thomas Jane would have gotten the part of Kirk, but they felt he looked too old. (BS in my opinon.)

Gary Sinise would have made an ideal McCoy but he wanted to much money. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Instead the part went to LOTR actor Karl Urban. I am ok with this choice but I do wonder how he is going to adapt his native kiwi accent to that of a souther gentleman's?

The choice for Spock was spot on "nailed it" , and other cast say for Scotty, I would have rather seen Paul McGillion get that part, but he just didn't know the right people, seem to be all good ones. (Paul McGillion did read for the part, but lost it to Simon Pegg.)

Bruce Greenwood Cast as Christopher Pike over Tom Cruise, THANK YOU GOD!

It is going to be good to see a TOS movie made. I loved the original series and still do to this day. With the remastered episodes the series doesn't look so dated. To bad the remastered version don't have the full run time as the originals. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif The originals were 49 to 52 minutes long, the new version are about 40 to 41 minutes. Cut Cut Cut... damn bean counters should all go to hell.

On a personal note, I am jealous of all of these people. I spent my life watching Star Trek, and here they are making a movie about that series and I am older than most of the cast! What the HELL MAN! Hell most of them weren't even born until AFTER Star Trek The Motion Picture! WTH MAN!

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I'll see it mainly because it's Star Trek. Not because I have any expectations of quality. In fact I've pretty much given up on Star Trek since the same 3 people have been calling the shots for awhile now and it's clear they have $$$ on the brain rather than any sense of fan loyalty.

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I'm alittle disappointed it isn't a bit more of a prequel than actually running along with the TOS. If it is a remake of an episode, then I really think they are doing a diservice.

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You can see Spock here

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34774

I'm also surprised at your "Romulus, my father" reference. I would have thought only Australians would know about it.


Harlan Ellison by the way is being a jerk about their plan to use one of his ideas. Great writer I gather, but a jerk. Mind you the original ST makers didn't know the difference between ruins and runes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I tried going there, but there was an annoying, un-closeable advertisement.

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Sorry about that. Maybe I have it blocked. I'll put 2 of the pictures in my photobucket.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...intoSpock1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...intoSpock3.jpg

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Are they up to 11 already? Jasus. I'll go see it though, just because it is Star Trek. I'm hoping and praying that they'll get back to the original spirit of TOS, without all that moral preachy bull**** that's frankly been ruining the series.

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I understand there are two camps to ST fans.

Those who prefer it to be clean, hopeful and free of modern day concerns.

and,

dark, where there are still lots of problems and you need to be sneaky, such as tricking another empire into joining a war on your side when you are at risk of losing.

I much prefer the later. Yeah I'm a political realist http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

People, who I have never really understood, seem to go on about whomever it was that took over after Gene Rodenberrys death ruining the franchise. There are a lot of things about Star Trek I disagree with, which I won't go into at the moment because I don't feel like going there, but I usually just don't let it bother me and I enjoy the special effects and occasional great episode.

We can, if you like, list our favourite episodes. For me

The two parter of Voyager with the ship that removes the target from time.
The Enterprise mirror episodes.
Any Klingon epsiode.

I like Enterprise despite the fact it didn't do, until too late, what it should have been from the start (season 3 was a major mistake). The whole run should have been season 4 stuff, but I don't let it bother me. I don't run the TV companies so why get depressed by what I don't control.

oh, and the Dominion war.

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I do not like the clean, hopeful Star Trek. The whole, "Let's solve our problems with idealism! And technology!" attitude makes my channel-flicking finger very itchy. Well, I'm not entirely against the "let's solve our problems with technology" part, because it's sci-fi, so of course technology will play a part in it.

And coming up with some neat little gadget to solve a particular problem that we can look at and say, "Wow, that's cool," is good sci-fi technofantasy. Realigning the phase coil inductors is not.

Why not just say, "Well, Captain, what we're going to do, see, is load the magazines with bovine fecal matter, and fire it out the torpedo tubes. Oh look, the bovine fecal matter blew them up! Aren't we clever?" Because that, and realigning the phase coil inductors, is exactly the same damn thing.

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There's a Voyager epsiode where they fight the Borg. They fire the Phasers at the Borg. You know beam of light goes from Voyager to Borg ship then stays for a little bit too long. The Borg ship then pulsed back along the beam to Voyager. Cue sparks and such. Someone says

"What happened"
and 7 of 9 says
"They reversed the beam with a feed back pulse"

Is it really technobabble when that makes perfect sense? I mean the pulse goes back in the opposite direction and damages the emitters. Looks like a feedback pulse to me.

In fact it makes so much sense I would expect Star Fleet to plan against that tactic. Don't leave the Phaser beam in place so long, or use disruptors. Except that the disruptor beam would leave an ionisation trail and due to the need to align the disruptor pulse to pass through the ships shields that would leave a trail that could penetrate the shields in return.

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Nothing wrong with idealism. Cynicism certainly isn't going to save the world.

I know that and I'm a cynic.

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You're a cynic http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

I consider myself somewhat of a cynic and I always got the impression you had more faith in people than I feel I ever could. Oh well perhaps I am just more cynical, or have a different understanding of cynicism. Nevermind, I'm not in the mood lately to go on about that.

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That's because I'm also optimistic. I just like expressing optimism more than I like expressing cynicism.

If life angers me to the point I have to express cynicism, I tend to write out the rant, then delete it.

*Shrug* Works for me.

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Yeah I do that sometimes. I write out a long reply to something, but a minute later when I finish I can't be bothered anymore so I delete it.

I'm quick to get annoyed but even quicker to decide it's not worth bothering so I give up. Shortly after that I couldn't care less one or the other.

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I definitely won't be going to see this in theater. Then again...I rarely see ANY movie in theater, they charge too damn much. I'll watch it when it comes to Pay Per View most likely, and only then if I see reviews (from you guys perhaps? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif ).

I've become rather disillusioned about Star Trek...the last good movie was (in my opinion) First Contact, and it had it's bad points as well. Insurrection made me want to gag, and Nemesis wasn't a hell of a lot better.

Give me a realistic look at the future, with all the strife, war, heroes and villains on both sides, and I might hop back on the bandwagon, rather than (as others have said) idealistic unrealistic crap.

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I plan to see it but then again I may end up not. Going to the movies isn't much of a priority. I usually only bother once, maybe twice, a year. It's not that I'm not interested in movies but I'm not motivated enough to bother. One thing I discovered was that we actually have a rather brief opening for movies down here. On the mainland they have multiplexes with the same movie for 6 months but the local cinemas chuck them on one after the other, only lasting a month maybe two. Usually they stop being shown before I get around to it. I only saw the first Fantastic 4 film last week. a Friend of mine said you get a better experience watching big films on a screen but I'm happy to see them on tv or maybe a hand full of times a year hiring a dvd. I've never seen the latest Superman movie or the last X-men movie and I'm a pretty big comics fan.

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I just like good star trek. I don't care if it reflects on moder day issues or not. I love it when it works and regret it when it does not. STMP didn't work, STTWOK did work.

TOS was far more military minded than the later incarnations. Kirk wasn't afraid to kick someones *** or employ a gambit. Picard, while one of my favorites depended upon the "lets talk it out" approach more than Gun Boat diplomacy.

When they finally were put together in that especially crappy script, generations, I felt sick over how horrible it had been done. But the chemistry was there, and I would have paid real money to see more of that on screen.

The last Star Trek movie, Nemesis, was a fantastic script, widdled down to a mind numbingly anti-star trek movie. Fans responded to this movie with an allergic reaction. No wonder given how many times the director re-wrote the script.

One thing I have noticed about movies of old compared to movies of now, the intelligence is deliberately written out of them now.

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Why would I want realistic fiction? I get enough of that annoying stuff in reality.

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I like me a bit of realistic fiction. It makes a change from trying to read a book which puts you off by getting too fantastic. I just finished the final book in a series where the space ship battles are hard scifi. The crew is subject to high gees when they change course. They have to sling shot around planets and at one point the enemy are inconvenienced when the loyalists throw off a wormhole by throwing too much matter through one way upsetting the balance. It takes the enemy months to slow down and turn back once they miss the wormhole.

I am always intending to read all the Seaforth saga books. Basically Hornblower in space where you have to start young otherwise space travel causes T-Cancer. Through a sequence of events involving the senior officers being killed by a new enemy and the sole officer dying from T-Cancer a teenage midshipman becomes captain. He doesn't want the responsibility, the officer was too delirious to realise what he was doing, but he cannot refuse. He is the highest rank there is and must obey the rules.

I have read one book that is nearly perfect. Maybe too perfect. Instead of aliens that think like humans it had aliens evolved from dragonflies that cannot physiologically recognise other life unless it personally effects them. You can stand next to them and as long as you do nothing to hinder them they pay no attention. Which is what made it horrifying when a scientist gets in ones face to inspect it and it bites his head off. Generic horror doesn't affect me because it is not scary.

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No, it isn't. Technobabble is, by definition, incomprehensible. If the average person can understand it, or at least get get gist of it, it isn't really technobabble. Unfortunately, it is far more common in Star Trek for them to "decouple the quantum phase arrays, and reverse the polarity of the simplex magneto-organic fields, creating a inverse phase carrier wave that will disrupt the isometric polarity of their shields."

At that point, as I said, you might as well be shooting bull**** out the torpedo tubes.

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Hey that might actually be effective.

"Damn it cap'n, they're shootin'...****e at us out of their tubes!"

"Quick, take evasive action...I don't want my new paint job messed up!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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To me it's a difference of genre. TOS was "Cowboys in Space"

After TNG they started really explaining things in pseudo-science. It fit because it was what I grew to expect.

Then you have the other sci-fi approach which is that "we have it, we just don't bother trying to justify how it works" ala Firefly, Star Wars, etc.

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What I liked about TOS was the fact that you saw the crew interact well together. McCoy wasn't afraid to piss off Kirk, and Kirk wasn't ashamed to apologize for being a jerk. The banter between McCoy and Spock was well played. The support cast new their places in the chain of command and didn't rock the ship so to speak. The show felt more real than TNG, DS9, or Voyager.

You got a real sense of comradely with them that was present in other Star Trek shows, but in a different way.

TNG was great, but way to liberal in way to many aspects say for a few episodes like Yesterday's Enterprise and such.

DS9 was a very deeply cast oriented series and I enjoyed it very much. Sisko wasn't afraid to take action, while always worrying about the moral side of things.

Janeway was ok, but never really liked Voyager.

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DS9 was great in the latter seasons, a la the Dominion Wars. Some of the best Trek that ever, I think.

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I defintely will see the movie, even if I don't know the plot. (Kind of ruined Empires Strikes Back for me when I read the novelization before the movie came out). I agree Gary Sinise would have been my choise for McCoy too, but I guess he learned his lesson in greed.

As far what "camp" I'm in, I haven't really thought about it. I consider myself a trekkie, because I'm only a year or two older than the origanal show myself, and vaguely remember seeing an episode or two prime time. I think Roddenberry went too far out of the way when he didn't want a violent solution to a crisis. Not that the show back then could have handled a Federation vs Klingon war in Errand of Mercy budgetwise.

I think today's audience want the violent solution over the peaceful one, unless it's a very creative way to resolve the differences. I'd rather see ships shooting it out in space than Picard talking himself hoarse trying not to shoot.

I just hope this movie is as good as the "Genesis" trilogy of films (2-4), and not some debacle like V or last 2 NG films. I guess we'll find out next year.

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Agreed. If your going to make a sci-fi show, you need to show some awesome fleet battles. Too bad this is the only show (ST wise) that really delivered this. The whole "Space is big enough for everybody so lets hold hands and pass the peace pipe" stance was just way too overdone in TNG. But then again, they needed a show for the masses, and as we all know, in this day and age, if they show someone getting a splinter, parents and politicians whine and b!tch that kids shouldn't be watching that and it then gets replaced with either some "reality" show or some show with some big chested bimbo blondes and some 24-pack guys so the kids can be shown what "reality" is like and that they should look like them and feel horrible about themselves if they don't and commit suicide.

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That whole KIDS in space undertone of TNG was just annoying as hell. Would Kirk ever allow a CHILD to helm the Enterprise... NFW! (Not without being forced to by some alien bastard)

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I swear to GOD that if they have some 14 year old super wizz kid running around the NCC 1701 in this movie, I will throw my popcorn and beverage bottle (no pop, I assure you) at the screen and stomp out of the theater and demand my money back.

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I'd be right there with you.

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No ensign expendables here, give us true trek or give us the phaser!

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The new Chekov looks like he is only 17 or so.