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New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)
Welcome All.
(As we have agreed with DRG - we create a new subject here at a forum for our discussion OOB.) SPR team (Steel Panther Russia) - represents to your attention changed by us OOB. Our command has done huge job on information search of characteristics of our technics and structure of infantry divisions. We have changed almost all: speed of units, power of the weapon, arms structure, etc. We have cleaned the nonexistent or duplicating weapon, have created truthful formations. We offer developers of game and developers MODs to use our OOB for our armies. We do not exclude existence of some discrepancies in ours OOB though we and have tried that errors in him were not. Our team is ready to answer any your questions which at you can arise after our viewing OOB. Our OOB: http://www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf Which all photos are not present in our OOB - we will give in the near future. icons units which are not present in our OOB - we suggest to use all from PlasmaKrab MOD - from its permission, certainly. p.s. sorry for my bad English. |
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+ Attachment "SPR OOB" in this forum.
Corrected "SPR OOB" -- 18.12.2007. |
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Looks good in generally;). Especially infantry units. Are you going to make more OOBs (USA/GB for example)?
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Question -- have you considered splitting the Russian ORBAT into two things?
Perhaps 1946-1970 in the present russian OBAT slot; with 1970-2020 in RED, to get around the 255~ weapon limitation? |
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On which basis would you split the Russian OOB? In addition to the fact that an awful lot of units and weapon carry on for ages, I can't see a meaningful date where you could set the breaking point. 1990-91 or some post-CFE year earlier could be doable, but there would still be the duplicate problem.
Looking at it another way, could it maybe be split along geographical/organizational lines as with OOBs 12 and 13? Maybe separate domestic and expeditionary forces, like the GSFG troops, naval forces and VDV in their own OOB, from the 50s to 1990? I'm pretty sure that in Russian terms it doesn't make much sense, so personally, I'd advise shelving the whole splitting idea as bound to end in tears. Regardless, do you guys at SPR have enough data for a revised Ukrainian OOB as well? And what about a separate "wixed" OOB for the Central Asia Republics? |
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Warhero
-------------------------- Thanks for a good estimation of our OOB. On American, English and other armies - at us not so it is a lot of data. I think to each person easier to find the information on the army on the native language. |
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MarkSheppard
---------------------------- We considered this possibility. But here on us depends nothing, good will of developers DRG and Mobhack here is necessary. As you have for certain noticed at us now there is no problem with shortage slots under the weapon... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif At us now a shortage problem slots under units. Because of this problem we had to reduce set of units which we would like to add in game, and also we could not realise to the full exact states sturcture of our infantry and special forces. |
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PlasmaKrab
--------------------------------- VDV, special forces and other - all is components of our army. We cannot divide them on different OOB's as it is made with USArmy and USMC. Probably to divide our country as you have offered on years, for example 1990-91. But in an ideal case, it would be good, if developers could make under units more slots - for example 2000 slots... Also we have a lot of information on army of Ukraine, but under this information it is necessary to work still. On the countries of the Central Asia at us not so a lot of given, but in need of them it is possible to try to find. |
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I bring to your attention some photos for our OOB.
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/lbms.zip These are the photos prepared for game. Numbers in names of LBM-files correspond to numbers of units in our OOB. www.pecypc.kz/kramax/picts.zip These are original photos. There can be someone will make LBM-files better than I. The size of a file picts.zip - approximately 10 Mb. |
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Iam offer use next icons (made - PlasmaKrab) in new patch for Russian units:
Mi-24: http://www.box.net/shared/185ljkoqez perfect icons GAZ-66 (2S12 Sani etc.): http://www.box.net/shared/b834d50qk8 S-300/S-400 SAMs: http://www.box.net/shared/al4exdtlqk Uragan MRLS: http://www.box.net/shared/bzjnmlqb6u S-75 (SA-2 NATO) SAM: http://www.box.net/shared/gija2nb8eu |
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We have found some errors and discrepancies in our OOB:
1. Unit 393 - S-300PT - change type unit = Area SAM. 2. Unit 409 - ZSU-23-4M5 - change smoke discharges=1. 3. Units 280 and 281 2S5 - Giatsint - change armour steel top=0 4. Unit 252 - MT-LB - change smoke discharges = 1 5. Unit 203 - DPM - change Fire Control=7 6. Unit 197 - BRM-2 - delete. There is no exact information on it. 7. Weapon 014 - 5.45 RPK SAW - change name = 5.45mm RPK-74 8. Weapon 124 - 40mm GP-25 GL - change range = 9 We have changed our OOB. To download it it is possible in the first message of this subject of a forum or from this address: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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Welcome All.
I wish to tell - the basic changes which we have made in our OOB. 1. Tanks: we systematised and have divided a control system of fire into generations. Also we have considered separate upgrades of tanks. 2. Very seriously we have changed almost all dates of our arms. 3. We have changed almost all the speed long our units. 4. We have reconsidered accuracy and range of all our arms according to game formulas. 5. We have renamed some our arms and units. 6. We diversified infantry parts of our army. 7. We have cleaned from OOB the nonexistent weapon and units. 8. We have more precisely made ours formations on found us data. 9. Planes and helicopters: we have changed structure of arms of planes and helicopters to realistic combinations. Also have changed speed and a control system of fire - on generations of helicopters and planes. 10. Artillery: we have changed range and accuracy of our artillery, and also quantity of an ammunition. We wished to make our infantry states more exact, but we did not have no place for units http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Also we had to clean some our units which are in our army. We are ready to discuss and answer any your question on our OOB. p.s. sorry for my bad English. |
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This sounds very interesting I'm going to give this a try. I have always wanted a better infantry OBB.
What was the reasoning behind changing speed of units? I don't want it to become unbalanced. Edit: Having looked at the changes I'm very impressed by the new infantry formations. and I also liked the splitting of tanks into Tank vs MBT formations. |
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Smersh
-------------------- Thanks for your opinion on our OOB. We corrected speed of units according to game rules: MOVEMENT - SPEED OF UNITS Fighter-bomber and level bomber Aircraft Speed: 1 pt of Speed for every 100 km/h (round up past 50) Helicopter speed: 1/3 of actual maximum speed in km/h Spotter Plane/UAV speed is equal to their normal air speed as calculated for fighter-bombers and bombers. The higher the number the wider the circle the Spotter Plane will fly. Ground Speed equation is: max km/h speed divided by 3 = SPEED in hexes. AA guns 25mm or less have 1 movement point. Larger weapons have 0. AAMGs have a move of 2. Certain types of terrain are are likely to cause breakdowns to vehicles entering them. This is based on distance/speed travelled (faster is worse), movement class (2WD is worse than track) and experience and vehicle weight. |
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"Planes and helicopters: we have changed structure of arms of planes and helicopters to realistic combinations."
Speaking of which is there some online source listing typical payloads for soviet planes? Sources typically list what they can carry in theory but not what is usually done in practice. Specifically what sort of weapons loads would be most common for the SU-17/20/22 and the MIG-23BN? |
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Marcello - thanks for attention to our OOB.
I will give to you links on information sources in which it is in detail told about typical arms of planes on each model. Unfortunately links only in Russian, but you can take advantage of the translator. Usually about typical arms of these planes it is written in the end of the text. And the full list of every possible arms is after specifications in the end of page. Here link on a site of the translator: http://www.online-translator.com/default.asp? lang=en In it you can translate even sites entirely with preservation of formatting of the text. If you have difficulties or you do not have time for employment by translate. I can make in detail to you normal translate of typical arms of these planes. Su-17 http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17.html http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17_1.html http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m.html http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m2.html http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m3.html Su-20 export http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su20.html Su-22 export http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su22.html Mig-23BN http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig23bn.html On these pages all is written. From the moment of creation of the plane till the moment of its recycling. It is described as in what year it is made, by whom it is made, what arms, what equipment were established, etc. If you have problems with translate - write here about it and I will work over text translation on arms of these planes. Why you were interested by these planes? |
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Su-17 typical arms:
Fighting loading to 4000 kg is suspended by a lump on 6 hardpoints: 2 body and 4 fly. On Su-17M3 the quantity hardpoints is increased on 2. Su-17M4 has already 10 hardpoints: 4 body and 6 fly. Fighting loading is raised to 4250 kg. Thus 2 central hardpoints are intended only for a suspension bracket Ur of a class "air-air" R-60. The first serial Su-17 did not bear the operated weapon of a class "air-surface". On the subsequent updatings this lack has been eliminated, and on 2 internal hardpoints UR (Manual Missile) or KAB of various types are suspended. Su-17M first took Kh-23M and anti-radar Kh-28. Later the nomenclature has been expanded by possibility of suspension bracket Kh-25 and Kh-29L. Su-17M2 also bore all aforementioned systems. The given updating of the first in family Su-17 has received UR R-60 on arms. Su-17M4 are capable to bear the most various scale of operated arms: KAB-500l bombs; corrected rockets S-25L; UR of types Kh-25ML/MR, Kh-27, Kh-29L/T; anti-radar UR Kh-25MP, Kh-27, Kh-58. All updatings undertake in blocks NURS of types S-5, S-8 or S-13, and also single NURS S-24 and S-25. Among other types of pendant arms are registered aerial bombs of calibres from 100 to 500 kg; cluster bombs RBK-250 and RBK-500, gun containers KMGU; incendiary tanks. Under SChK 2 1156-l or 830-l PTB also are equipped. Su-17 And Su-17M were equipped bombing sight PBK-2 and shooting ASP-5ND-7. On Su-17M2 instead of the last has been established more perfect ASP-17. The equipment of management the "Delta" placed in the pendant container was applied to prompting UR Kh-23M. For prompting Kh-25ML and Kh-29L the laser station "Projector" also placed in the pendant container is used. On Su-17M2, besides the given station, the laser range finder-tseleukazatel “Fon-1400” is established. On Su-17M3 instead of it sight ASP-17, the indicator of direct visibility, station of the prevention of radar-tracking radiation “Sirena-3”, etc. The onboard radar-tracking equipment is established more perfect “Klen-54”. Also are established to shoot traps and dipoles KDS-23 and ASo-2V. Some planes for the control of results of bombing have chamber AFA-39. |
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At Su-20/22 the arms stood about same, and the equipment was worse, than at the Soviet planes.
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Mig-23BN Differed from Mig-23B only a design and systems of an aiming and tracking stations.
Arms: 23-mm of down GSh-23L (200 cartridges). Fighting loading - 3000 kg. The rocket arms include four blocks of NURS UB-32A with 32 rockets S-5 (51 mm) or four blocks B-8M (20 NURS S-8, 80 mm). Under a wing can be suspended two UR Kh-23, operated on a beam by means of station of prompting Delta-ng (it is mounted over the left motionless part of a wing). Rockets of small range R-3S of a class are applied To self-defence air - air with TGS. Can take aboard to 18 bombs in calibre 50 - 100 kg, 8 - calibre 250 kg or 6 - calibre 500 kg. The suspension bracket of bombing cartridges of RBK-250, concrete penetrative ammunition BetAB-250 and BetAB-500, armour-piercing bombs, tanks with napalm is possible. Bombs of small calibre take places on many locks holders MDBZ-U6-68. The suspension bracket under a wing of two gun containers UPK-23-250 from 23-mm gun GSh-23 (250 cartridges) is supposed. |
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Sorry for my bad English.
If to you something is not clear - ask me and I will try to explain to you it more precisely. |
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I, for one, am quite interested in what you're doing.
But . . . Quote:
I know from my work on my new USMC OOB that while many of the weapons could use a tweak or two any comprehensive modifications can cause problems as the new values may no longer be compatible with the ones in every other OOB. |
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"Why you were interested by these planes?"
I am reworking the iraqi OOB and I am checking planes weapons loads. For the early planes like MIG-15bis/MIG-17F/MIG-19S etc it is relatively easy: they have 2-4 hardpoints which can carry a very limited selection of bombs/rockets. For some others I found some typical weapons loads (for example four FAB-250 for some MIG-21 variants). Later things get more difficult: let's make an example of my problem. The Su-7BMK is listed to have six hardpoints, each of which in theory can carry several types of weapons (ranging from FAB-250 to S-24 rockets). In practice however four of those hardpoints are always used for fuel tanks. So the typical payload would be limited to something like two FAB-500 or two UB-16 rocket pods. But more capable planes like the SU-20/22 or the MIG-23BN can carry more and different types of weapons. Would a SU-17M3/SU-22M typically carry two rockets pods + two RBK-500 + two FAB-250 rather than two RBK-250 + four FAB-250? What did the soviet air force arm them with usually? I wanted to know a few typical configurations for these planes and the MIG-23BN. I will see what I can get with the automatic trsnalation. |
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Suhiir
------------------------- Thanks for the shown interest to our OOB. Certainly we have not changed all power of the weapon. We have changed only that weapon which power has been specified wrongly. For an example: weapon 015 RPG-2 - we have established capacity HEAT 20 weapon 019 RPG-7V - we have established capacity HEAT 50 - since it fairly. weapon 082 4x30mm guns - we have changed 2 guns to 4 guns since this weapon cannot separately shoot and shoots on the purpose in a complex. Etc. Also we have worked over accuracy of our weapon according to the game formula. Also we have worked dates of creation of the weapon and weapon receipt in armies. At changes of these data we put before ourselves aim to make fair OOB. We do not think that our changes will break balance of game... Though it is final, if developers of game accept our changes, we will search for our arms in others OOBs here again at a forum to suggest to change values. |
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Marcello
---------------------- Whence at you such data on SU-7BMK? Su-7BMK - It is made on the basis of Su-7BKL. Su-7BKL - the quantity of fuel is increased, the design is changed, equipment EW etc is added. Su-7BMK - Had 8 hardpoints. Su-7BMK - differed from Su-7BKL older equipment. The truth is written that Egyptians without the permission - modernised Su-7BMK and have increased quantity hardpoints to 8 pieces. Then the USSR and made them with 8 hardpoints = 3300 kg. Usually on all series Su-7 - 2 fuel tanks were established only. About 4 fuel tanks I have found nothing. |
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Marcello
---------------------- Planes Su-17M3. Su-17M3 Is improved Su-17M2. Other equipment, is more than fuel. It is written that it can to bear on itself(himself) 8 aviation bombs, everyone on 500 kg. Also it is written that since 1981 rockets Kh-27PS, Kh-25MP, Kh-58U were typical arms of many regiments of the USSR. But always for a fighting problem planes armed with those arms which were necessary for problem performance. I am for example confident that during war in Afghanistan - these planes on armed with it rockets about which I has written, they armed with bombs, NURS etc. |
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"Whence at you such data on SU-7BMK?"
A piece here and there on the internet. "Usually on all series Su-7 - 2 fuel tanks were established only. About 4 fuel tanks I have found nothing." I have rechecked my notes. What I found is that fuel tanks could be carried on the two under fuselage pylons and starting from the SU-7BM even on the two inner underwing pylons. But you are correct, four fuel tanks was a "ferry" configuration and usually was not done in practice. "Su-7BMK - Had 8 hardpoints. Su-7BMK - differed from Su-7BKL older equipment. The truth is written that Egyptians without the permission - modernised Su-7BMK and have increased quantity hardpoints to 8 pieces. Then the USSR and made them with 8 hardpoints = 3300 kg." When was this carried out? |
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First deliveries Su-7BMK were in the middle of 1966. They participated in war with Israel, the truth not successfully - from 64 planes 27 has been destroyed on the earth in the first day of war on Jule, 5th, 1967.
After that the USSR has put many these planes for Egypt (it is not specified how much precisely). With assistance of the West German firm, the Egyptian planes have been modernised and on them have established in addition 2 hardpoints. Exact date it is not informed, but it is possible to assume what is it has occurred in the end of 1967 or in the beginning to the middle of 1968 since in 1969 of the USSR also built planes with the same quantity hardpoints. |
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ATGM Konkurs-Moto:
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/9.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/konk.jpg BTR-ZD Skrezhet: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1181.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1182.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1183.jpg ZU-23: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1185.jpg VDV attack: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1192.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1239.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_2025.jpg PKM MG: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1217.jpg Pecheneg MG: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_1236.jpg AGS-17: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/ags17.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/ags17_02.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/ags17_06.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/ags17_07.jpg 122mm Artillery (D30 ???): www.pecypc.kz/kramax/art.jpg Giatsint-B: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/giacint-b_001.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/giacint-b_003.jpg MSTA-B: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/msta-b_001.jpg Naval Inf: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/naval.jpg NSV HMG: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/nsv.jpg HY Sniper: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/sniper.jpg T-80: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/t80.jpg Tank transport: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/tank_transport.jpg Tigr utility car: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/tiger.jpg Spetsnaz: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_45.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_219.jpg Radio: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/a_41.jpg |
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Another question on the SU-17/SU-20 series. I have seen diagrams showing that pylons capable of carrying three
FAB-100 could be installed on the hardpoints. Was the same possible with pylons carrying two FAB-250? Or only one of these 250kg weapons could be carried on each hardpoint? |
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In article on this page
http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/...su17/su17.html It is written that on planes Su-17 6 locks holders for bombs i.e. on 1 hardpoint=6 bombs of calibre from 50-100 kg could to be established. But also it is written that in the conditions of strong heat and a hilly terrain by these planes they were not applied since these planes bore 2 more fuel tanks on 800 litres. Unfortunately about 250 kg of a bomb and this plane Su-17 I have not found exact data, but it is possible to assume the following: there were 4 locks holders of bombs for 50-250 kg of bombs and 2 locks holders for 500 kg of bombs. Judging by load-carrying capacity Su-17 it would be possible assume that it could to bear 4 or more 250 kg of a bomb. Drawing Su-17: http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw2/su17_z.zip I have answered your question? Or to look still for the given? |
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KraMax, thanks for all teh pics, I guess I can use some of them?
I'll try to get you my innumerable Russian/Soviet lbms some time, but I'm excessively busy these days. Turning the pics you posted to lbms in planned as well, but the same applies there. |
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Certainly you can use any pictures and photos.
PlasmaKrab - I very much respect the work made you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif |
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We have found one more error.
Unit 548 - Scout Team - change date avalable from on 102 (2002 year) to 120 (2020 year) We have changed our OOB-file. To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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more photos and pictures for units:
Artillery - 2S3M, 2S5, 2S7: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/2c3m_2s5_2s7.JPG Tunguska: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/2s6m-tunguska-m.JPG ASU-57: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/asu-57.JPG ASU-85: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/asu-85.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/asu-85_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/asu-85_3.JPG BMD-1: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-1.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-1_2.JPG BMD-2: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-2_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-2_3.JPG BMD-3: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-3.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/bmd-3_2.JPG BTR-50P: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-50p.JPG BTR-50PK Finish army: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-50pk_finish_army.JPG BTR-50PK Soviet Mech Inf: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-50pk_ussr_mech_inf.JPG BTR-60P, BTR-70, BTR-80: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-60p_btr-70_btr-80.JPG BTR-80 with AntiHEAT armour: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-80_with_armour1.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-80_with_armour2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-80_with_armour3.JPG BTR-D: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-d.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-d_2.JPG BTR-RD "Robot": www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/btr-rd-robot.JPG MT-LB, ASU-57, ASU-85, 2S1: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/mtlb_acu-57_asu_85_2s1.JPG NONA-S: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/nona-s.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/nona-s_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/nona-s_3.JPG PT-2000 (Soviet PT-76 amphibian tank) Indonesian army: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-2000_indonesia_army.JPG PT-76, PT-76B: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76_modernized_1981.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76_naval_inf.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76b_naval_inf.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76b_naval_inf_2.JPG PT-76B Polish army: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/pt-76b_polish_army.JPG SU-122-54: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/su-122-54.JPG Artillery Sviristelka: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/sviristelka.JPG T-44: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-44.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-44_2.JPG T-54 series: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54-1.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54-2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54-3.JPG T-54 modernisation: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54a.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54a_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54b.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-54b_2.JPG T-64: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64a.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64a_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64b.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64b1.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64b1_2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-64bv.JPG T-72: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-72.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-72b.JPG T-80: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-80bv.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-80bv_2.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-80u.JPG T-90: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/t-90.JPG ZSU-23 (Anti-Air) or Shilka: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-23-4m.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-23-4V.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-23-4V1.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-23-4V1_2.JPG ZSU-57-2: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-57-2.JPG www.pecypc.kz/kramax/2/zsu-57-2_2.JPG thanks for attention |
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We have changed our OOB:
New unit: unit 197 - Tu-2S - Level Bomber with 4x500kg bomb Have corrected errors: unit 279 - 2S4 Tulpan - Top Armour=0 formation 720 - Level Bobmers - available from 1946 To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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Happy New Year!!! All!!! Hurahhh...
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New photos:
Air OP Hello Ka-137 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/ka-137.jpg Mig-17 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/mig-17.jpg Mig-17 vs F-4 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/mig-17_vs_f-4.jpg Mig-21 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/MiG-21SMT_2.jpg Mig-23ML www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/mig-23ml.jpg Mig-23MLD www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/mig-23mld.jpg Mig-23MLD Syria www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/mig-23mld_syria.jpg Su-17M3 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-17m3.jpg Su-17M3/M4 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-17m3_m4.jpg Su-17M4 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-17m4.jpg Su-25 www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-25.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-25_2.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-25_3.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-25_4.jpg www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-25ub.jpg Perfect foto SU-34: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/3/su-34.jpg |
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We have changed our OOB:
New unit: Unit 452 - Mi-24P - without ATGM weapon, USSR have here in Afgan war. Have corrected errors: unit 001 - T-34/76 - shells = HE 75, AP 21, Sabot 4 To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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We have changed our OOB:
New weapon: weapon 240 - GSh-23L - cannon for hello (class 5) New unit: Unit 453 - Mi-24P - without ATGM weapon + weapon 240, USSR have here in Afgan war. Have corrected errors: unit 002 - T-34/85 - shells = HE 36, AP 14, Sabot 5 unit 003 - T-34/85 - shells = HE 30, AP 14, Sabot 5, HEAT 6; change vision=20; last year 1981. unit 054 and 055 - T-72 - change shells quantity = 39. Remove unit: unit 023 - T-55AM1 - export variant =============== To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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We have specified data on systems 2S25 Sprut-SD and have changed our OOB
Remove units: 091, 092, 094 - 2S25 Sprut-SD Change units: 093 and 095 - 2S25 Sprut-SD - from 2007 until 2020 Change formation: 063, 064, 065 - available until 1985 037, 038, 039 - available from 2007 ================================================== ======== To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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A couple of questions. What did the T-55A have in terms of fire control more than the baseline T-55?
What's the warhead size of the missile used by the Tunguska, the one here in the West call SA-19 Grison? Thanks for any info. |
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Marcello
------------------ for tank T-55: "Since 1960 the changes raising it technical characteristics have been entered into a tank design. Them concerned a duplicating hydropneumatic drive of management of a 19-disk main friction clutch, installation of the prismatic device at the tipper-of and air-liquid system of clearing of viewing devices of the mechanic-driver." machine translate ---------- Tank T-55A slightly differed from tank T-55. |
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Marcello
---------------- for Tunguska: Warhead size missle for Tunguska - from 76mm to 152mm. WH=76mm - in the description it is spoken that in a rocket the special explosive and amazing elements (shrapnel new type) are applied - for couples of it it was possible to reduce considerably weight missle. source Russian: http://pvo.guns.ru/tunguska/tunguska_02.htm#2 If it is interesting to you to read all source - I can help to translate it into English. |
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value of 5, while units 16/17/18 and so on have a FC value of 7. Even in the cold war mod there is a similar jump from 5 to 8 between T-55s. I am assuming that the T-55 got some FC improvement (maybe not necessarily part of the T-55A package but around that time anyway), but what exactly? |
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Marcello
-------------- Tank T-55 batch production has begun in 1958, but in 1960 this tank modernise and continue to let out under the same name - T-55. In 1963 start to let out new tank T-55A. T-55 (1960) differed from T-55 (1958) here than: "Since 1960 the changes raising it technical characteristics have been entered into a tank design. Them concerned a duplicating hydropneumatic drive of management of a 19-disk main friction clutch, installation of the prismatic device at the tipper-of and air-liquid system of clearing of viewing devices of the mechanic-driver." I.e. for change Fire Control in game on this tank have established for the tipper-of of a gun of the tank - the new device of an aiming. Sorry for my bad English. If you have not understood me - write about it to me and I will try to translate to another the text. source (Russian): http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iabrontanki/9/ |
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"I.e. for change Fire Control in game on this tank have established for the tipper-of of a gun of the tank - the new device of an aiming"
The translation of this was not very succesful but the important part is that the fire control got some improvements and that is what I wanted to know. Now I noticed another thing: the T-62 has a RF value of 8. To my knowledge however the T-62 retained stadiametric rangefinding. Was it really better than the T-55 and if so how? Better quality ? Additional features? Again thanks for any info. |
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Tank T-55 had a sight - TSh2B-32P.
At tank T-62 have a new - modernized a sight - TSh2B-41 Here that write in sources: "On T-62 have applied the improved sights and prompting devices, for example, telescopic sight TSh-2B-41 allowed tankmen to conduct exact fire on a distance to 4 thousand in m. we Will remind, that, according to foreign military experts, for fights on the European battlefield would be enough and 2,5 3 thousand in m. commander turrets have built in a binocular periscope rotating roof with fivefold increase in the afternoon and quadruple - at night. For the tipper-of also have entered two similar devices with range of action of the Watch facility of 800 m. for the mechanic-driver and charging have left same, as by the previous tank." source (Russian): http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T62/T62_1.html other source: http://www.btvt.narod.ru/uchebka/tshb32p.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm Sorry for my bad English. |
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We have found one more error.
change units: unit 104 - T-10M - available from 1959 until 1993; Range Finder=10; Vision=20; MG weapons change - weapon 2=14.5mm KPV TMG, weapon 3=14.5mm KPV AAMG. change formantion: 008 and 009 - Haavy tanks formations - available until 1993 To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf |
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