Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (Running)
 

Greetings everyboby

This game will be hosted by llamaserver(thanks for accepting it !) and is a game intended for new players for dominions3.

Basically it is open to everybody with less than 5 multiplayer game active =)

For this game i chose the excellent loemendor multiplayer map:

Loemendor multiplayer scenario

No mods will be used and standard setting will be in place.

Nations available for the picking will be :

Ermor - Loren
Utgard - Fabio80mi or Folket's friend
Ulm - Aapeli
T'ien Ch'i - Holyfrog
Marignon - Starshine_Monarch
C'tis - Torin
Pangaea - yandav
Man - Networkingguru
R'lyeh - Tharsonius

The picking will be quite simple, u can reserve a nation by replying in this post.
When all nations are taken i'll give instruction to upload pretenders, from that moment u'll have 24 hours to upload your pretenders, if u do not others may take your place

The game will be run on a 26hours PBEM quickhost machine

Now some rules :


-The game may take around 2-3 months to end, if you don't have enough time DO NOT join in the first place!

-No rudeness of any kind is allowed

-Everybody is welcome in this game, however experienced players should not play unless they plan on tutoring others only

-If you stale for 2 turns in a row u'll be set to AI unless u told us before

-I'll be the admin for the server and i'll try to accomodate everybody extending turns when/if needed, however i suggest not to make it a routine it is important for the game to keep up speed.

-According to the situation, the timer may be moved to a 48hours, basically the idea is to have it set for 24h for all the game or to extend it after turn 70

-If u enter a deal with other players try to stick with it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

-I, as host, would like also to play this game. I will take the last nation remaining .

Any question can be directed to this topic =)

STATUS PAGE:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Suricate

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

*reserved*

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R'lyeh for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'll take Ermor.

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I reserve one space for someone else.

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Ulm for me. I am playing three other games but one is almost lost and the others are with 48 hour timer.

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Ugh. You want a LA newbies game with R'lyeh and Ermor? I'd have them banned.

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Yeah, I probably agree about Ermor and R'lyeh.

Turn 70 with a 24 hour timer may also be ambitious, but you can always see how it goes.

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I'll take pangaea.

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Please dont.
I want to try LA R'lyeh in MP. I don't care if I lose, as long I learn something. This will be a newbie game after all.

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

The worry is that those nations are too strong, rather than too weak, in a newbie game. They are relatively hard to counter.

I don't have strong feelings on it myself though, it is up to fabio.

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Hello llamabeast! it's good to hear you posting here ^_^ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Of course both you and ich are right, however is my hope that players taking r'lyeh and ermor are not extremely skilled with them to have such a clear advantage , and if they're there is also the diplomacy effect that will have them (hopefully) cornered with all the other nations banding to eliminate the biggest threat =)

So for this game atleast i'll leave those nations playable.

As for the timer i really hope this will be a quick game, of course if it will start taking too long to make turns the timer may be increased .. when ? not sure i hope we'll be able to play all games on a 24h schedule

It occurred to me most likely the game will be still running in cristmas time.. i guess we'll have a suspension of several days for it it can be setted llamabeast right ?

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

Lack of skilled players helps LA Ermor, rather than hurting them, as all they need to do in a newbie game is keep pushing their dominion and gathering their freespawn into huge blocks.
Countering undead can be quite hard, particularly if you are new.

I would say R'lyeh is more powerful, but its also more magic-oriented and not quite as easy to play with.

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

I'm interested. Give me Marignon for this game, please.

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Nah ermor aint that bad. There are lots of things just desined to kill undead (for example purgatory). Altough it has the advantage of scambling hordes. Still I am more concerned about Rlyeh (I've had traumatic experiences when playing sp). Never played it myself. But if Rlyeh is being played by someone not experienced with it im sure it will be ok. From the two, I prefer Ermor (probably cause it probably is easyer to play with).

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Since it is a newbie game, may as well let there be the two nations stated if not at least so that the new players will get to experience WHY they are overpowered rather than just be told they are overpowered.

I wish I could join too for the abovementioned reasons but I can't commit to a new game till after mid dec when i come back from a trip http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Good luck on the game though!

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I have to know though, how can we get Rl'yeh to, you know, not win this? Without Atlantis, there really isn't anyone else that can even get into the water save for Ermor and C'tis and they still take penalties.

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A shame shard u can't play this one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif maybe next time ok ?

We're lacking only 3 players to start now ^^

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

One little request about this game: Instead of a 24 hour/quickhost, how about 26 hours/quickhost? 24/quickhost results in the hosting time ratcheting earlier and earlier--and I'm in the Pacific time zone.

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I think it can be done loren , it's not much of a difference after all ^^

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I would like to join as T'ien Ch'i .

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

Hi

I am a newbie. I got the game last week and have been playing singleplayer. I would like to play MP and the 24 hour turn is fine by me, however I cannot play 24 turn in the next 4 weekends and during the holiday (dec. 21 until jan. 2). So If its ok that I skip 2 turns every week and cant play during the holiday, then I am in and would like to play "Man". Otherwise I will wait for a game to start in the beginning of the new year.

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

Holyfrog - i've updated the nation list for your name

Saxo - Welcome to the comunity http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Your playing is of course up to you.. however for the sake of the game and for the experience for all others i think it may be best if you play when u got a little more time =)
In any case i'll keep u on hold for the time being if we don't get other takers u may jump in and we'll work a solution to let u play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Folket - U said u were reserving a spot for someone else.. is one of the player who already signed or what? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

i would like yo play if theres a place. Ctis if not taken. Any nation in such case.

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OK, I will wait and see.

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Well, this is going to be real rough against R'lyeh and Ermor, but I'll take Man since no one seems to want them. Unless they are already taken or no spots are left. In which case I'll just pout http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Hello Networkingguru !
Well Saxo can't play continuously so i'd say the nation should be yours,
There is only the Folket issue.. he said to reserve a spot for another player but then disappeared and noone claimed it.
So i'd say.. let's wait 12 hours for the final list of players :

IF folket friend doesn't show up you networkingguru gets MAN and i get Utgard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

IF folket friend does show up he will be getting UTGARD and you networkingguru will still play MAN and i'll simply admin the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I'll ask llamaserver to bring up the game and u'll receive instruction on how to send the pretenders file.

Other players may still post here and reserve 'replacement' spot if some player decide to drop from the game for whatever reason or disappear in this phase.

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I suggest PMing Folket.

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Game has been created and you can start upload your pretenders, here is how :



- Make sure you have the same mods enabled as the game you're playing in (Preferences->Mod Preferences) although only mods affecting pretender design, such as Conceptual Balance, actually matter.
so MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE MODS ENABLED WHEN U CREATE YOUR PRETENDER!

- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions version 3.10

- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)

- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net

- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail
the game name is SURICATE


A few minutes later you should get a confirmation e-mail, and if you check the website you should find your nation added to the list of nations which have joined the game.

Here is the link where you should see the game status :

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Suricate

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

Pretenders are slowing pouring in :-)

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I'm the one Folket reserved a space for. Only the information didn't reach me at first so I almost missed the game. I've uploaded my pretender now. I hope I didn't cause any troubles by being late.

This is my first multiplayer game by the way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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No problem Kadelake and welcome =)
You'll take the place with Utgard and i'll simply admin the game =)

Only Torin with C'Tis missing and then we can start =))

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

ill upload tonight

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Good everybody has joined up ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
You'll receive a notification for the start of the game.

On the first post you have the final player list, you got the map link and the status of the game link.

I wont play this game but i'll check the thread often enough to intervene if necessary.
If you need advice you can ask whatever u want both in this thread both as PM.
If u need a delay you can ask that too (but i suggest u keep that to a minimum)

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

I didn't receive any notification yet, is this normal? Sorry for this question but it's the first time I deal with a server for a game so I'm not sure to clearly understand what I've got to do.

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

same here, got nothing yet

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Haven't started it yet - the game will be starting tomorrow night (UK time).

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Should we get a house rule against retreatin mage casting wrathful skyes and stealing bogu´s friends commands?

Re: Suricate - pbem LA newbie game - (OPEN)
 

Right, the game has started. Hope everything works okay for everyone.

The first turn has 48 hours on the timer. Subsequent turns will have 26 hours, as requested.

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How's that for positioning: I got the same start as I did when I tested my pretender against the AI!

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Nation's start positions are fixed in this map , so you always get the same position http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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The game started and you should have all received your first turn =)
This game is made in a 'scenario map' so is quite fixed =)
It is my hope you'll enjoy it !

For any question or problem u can always pm me or write here, to answer the concerns wrathful skyes should be legit (unless someone has a strong point against it).
Stealing the attack commander order from bogu's friend is NOT allowed and should be avoided, please don't do it.

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The point is that the spell is bugged and you should not be able to have the enchantmen function wile the mage has already retreated from the field (as with any other enchantment).
Is not too important but unfair to be legit to use bugged commands.

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If i get this correctly a mage can have scripted cast wraithful skies/retreat and the spell stays up for all battle?

What if the mage casting Wraithful skies is regularly killed in the battle?

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mmm I don´t know if the enchantment ends. I think that remains in effect even if killed. Normally you could equip an anti-lightning ring to make him survive but still an enemy could kill him.

the trick is to retreat him so the enchantments last for the battle.

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From what I read in this thread it seems like it is abusing a bug and that the enchantment should end when the mage dies. Same for:
"Using combinations of "mists of deception" + some battle enchantment damageing spell (like wratful skies) and then retreating the caster mage. Basically there is no way to kill the mist, so the enemy army has to endure 50 rounds of mass lightning bolts....".

I think we should have a house rule against abusing those spells by retreating after casting.

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I;m a bit confused about what you're talking about, but there are two issues about such things. (1) Retreating from battle doesn't end a battlefield enchantment, but dying does. I thought this had been fixed, though I'm not sure. (2) The spell Mists of Deception produces soldiers which prevent the battle from ending ad infinitum. Hence if one side casts both Wrathful Skies and Mists of Deception then retreats, the opposing side has to survive 50 rounds of lightning.

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A quick suggestion for the people at the very first game (or with very little turns played before)

The internal dominions3 message system does work but doesn't have an history of the messages sent and it takes some time to get an answer (2 turns usually..) so it is common practice to use the forum/Personal messages for diplomacy purpose!

For instance your declaration of wars, nap , alliance , trade offers , threats , ecc should all be carried out either in this thread (if u want it public) or wia PM (for private thing).

Though not mandatory it usually improve the game experience if the players engage in diplomacy/boasting/threats/whatever in the game thread

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Hats of for Ulm's prophet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

My province defence had just put his entire army on the run. They close in on the hochmeister prophet, getting ready to surround him. But then they take one good look at him and apparently decide that it's not worth risking it. The entire province defence deserts and run away into the woods. The hochmeister is left alone looking out over a field of corpses. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../firedevil.gif

He never moved or fought in any melee. It seems he's such a mean bastard that he doesn't have to fight to defeat his enemies.

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Looks like you province defence didnt read the game manual http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif