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I am fine........

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Speaking of burning, my waffles just got cooked into little checkers pieces by a toaster that wouldn't pop.
Now the house is filled with foggy grey smoke
At least my computer room is downstairs, so its OK.

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My pop sat out in the car all day, and it got really hot. Hot Diet Pepsi. ummmmummm Yummm

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pop? must be candian http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aronnax:
pop? must be candian http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, let's resurect the great "Soda vs Pop vs Cola" debate.

I, living in Ohio call it pop as well. I have friends from various parts of the country who call it one or the other. After much research I have placed the dividing line, running roughly in a north-south direction, somewhere slightly west of Indianapolis Indiana.

Anybody care to chime in so we can narrow it down more specifically.

Geo

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I live in Pittsburgh. It's POP, damnit. Not "soda"; POP!

Col. John
Drinker of pop.

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Pop, not soda! NOT SODA DAM... never mind.

I lived in Iowa for four years, and for those four years I had to deal with, "Pop? what the hell is pop? Anybody wan't some Sooodaaaa, ya stupid redneck."

Pop, not soda, pop.

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Around here, in South Carolina, no matter what kind of soda it is, it's a Coke. (SC's state motto: "Hey, at least we're not dead Last in education!")

Yes, soda. Pop is what you do to a balloon. Or listen to on the radio. Or call your father. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/tongue.gif

Next time on Mindless Rant: "Sub, Hoagie, or Grinder: the Sandwich Wars."

Quikngruvn

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hoagies and grinders hoagies and grinders meatloaf sandwich....

I went to school at IUP in Western PA - Pittsburghers call it soda, Phillies call it pop... I'm from Rochester NY and usually say soda.

To all you Pittsburghers: Are yins gonna warsh ya cah today with wad'r, or drink soda and watch a tape of the Stillers?

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Oh I got that reversed..who gives a %#@ anyways...

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I grew up in Berks County, Pennsylvania, roughly 50 miles NW of Philadelphia. I drank soda when I lived there, and pop when I moved here to Pittsburgh. Back then I ate "Italian sandwiches" and "steak sandwiches", which are subs and Philly cheesesteaks here.

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Don't make me start speaking Southern! Wait, I can't control it....

I'mon watch me some rasslin!

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I was born and raised in AZ, and still live here, and I drink pop. My wife was born in up-state NY and moved to AZ as a teenager. She drinks pop as well. The trouble is, around here most people are transplants from elsewhere, so people here may drink pop, soda or coke. You have to have your universal translator on at all times.

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It has been my experience that people that come from places that have 'pop' also posess a substance known as 'soda-water.'

I have heard this 'soda-water' used to refer to carbonated beverages of all kinds, as well as this Nasty Sh*t that you can obtain from 'soda fountains' (the source of fountain drinks) that appears to be the water+soda (being the chemical soda, not the slang term) before it is mixed with the flavouring syrup. why anyone would consume such a thing is beyond my ability to comprehend.

On this logic, it would seem that the back-woods folks with their 'pop,' while they are bizzare and culturaly-devoid enough to consume soda-water, are a step up in technical terminology from us in the civilized world with our 'soda.' In my defense, I atribute this to the fact that we have evolved passed the need for such things as 'soda-water' and that without this root from which to derive a destinction between 'soda' and 'pop' we have discarded an obsolete term.

While some of you might be thinking that ethnic clensing is a perfictly good method of settleing the 'soda' vs 'pop' debate, I would remind you that this is America (specificly, the United States of said continent) where at least I know Im free (to call my carbonated beverage whatever I darn well please.) ...and I think I'll call this one "Bob."

*pop* fizzzzz glug-glug-glug


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edit: wait, dont flame me. the backwoods culturally-devoid thing was a joke. I dont look down upon anyone based on their locality, unless they are from LA. you can tell from my superb spelling how edumacated I am, so if you really think I would insult the education / culture of a group of people just because they are from another part of the country.. well.. maybe i... I mean, THINK AGAIN!

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It has to be POP, or at the very least Cola or even Coke - never Soda. When I was younger I couldn't understand why they always called it Soda on American TV - then I went there for a little while...

Other Canadian-American things, eh?

About
Roof vs Ruff
Washroom vs Bathroom
Colour vs Color
Metre vs Meter (By the way, convert to Metric already!!!)

Actually I don't think you could - old crazy farmers would start shoting people as soon as they started posted speed limits in kilometres per hour!!!

Some of you Americans know nothing of Canada...When I was in the US, I had people believing that Polar Bears would eat my garbage and I'd have to shew them off with a broom in Toronto during the 10 months of winter - and that was in Washington State - which is technically further north than Toronto. Others ask me "Do you know Celine Dion?" or do I live in a igloo? C'mon. Do you serious believe these things...?

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wait a minute, you dont have igloos?

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edit: and who the heck is Celine Dion? sounds like a Frenchie, if Canadians are French and Eskimos are from Canada, is this Dion person some kind of French Eskimo from Canada? Or did you mean to say Celine Dio, the adopted Canadian step-daughter of Rodney James. In which case I can understand why people would be interested.

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Well over on this side of the pond... (UK)

Cola = cola. No other carbonated bevrages (ie lemonade) are covered by this term.

Coke = cola. Even if they're buying Pepsi, most people will ask for a Coke. Now _that's_ brand identity.

Pop. Back in the 1950s people in the UK used the word "pop" as a blanket term for fizzy drinks of all kinds. Now it just sounds a little... well... camp. "Pop" is now only used for balloons and music.

Soda - on it's own means nothing. Soda water is simply plain carbonated water.

Basically we in the UK have no generic term to describe carbonated drinks in gnral. Th closst we hav is "soft drink" (Which I imagine applies to you lot as well) but which also ccovers all non-aloholic fruit juices, cordials etc. Not tea and coffee, though, oddly.

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Now, to confuse matters a little bit more:
Where I come from we call pop "Brause" and sandwich "Stulle". Please note that I say pop, because I lived in Ohio for one year as an exchange student.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
Some of you Americans know nothing of Canada...When I was in the US, I had people believing that Polar Bears would eat my garbage and I'd have to shew them off with a broom in Toronto during the 10 months of winter - and that was in Washington State - which is technically further north than Toronto. Others ask me "Do you know Celine Dion?" or do I live in a igloo? C'mon. Do you serious believe these things...?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know excactly what you mean. Coming from Germany I got questions like: "Is Adolf Hitler still in charge?", "Do you also have trees there?" and remarks like: "Wow, Germany, that must have been a long DRIVE."

Rollo

[edit] typo

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I was born and raised in AZ, and still live here, and I drink pop. My wife was born in up-state NY and moved to AZ as a teenager. She drinks pop as well. The trouble is, around here most people are transplants from elsewhere, so people here may drink pop, soda or coke. You have to have your universal translator on at all times.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I'm an AZ native (Chandler) too, and all I’ve ever heard is soda, even when I go out. This is all very strange.

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Hey Capt. Americans offical language is Metric. Their Govn't uses it.

Now if I could only end this message with that quote from abe simpson. Metric is the instrument of the devel. In my time we used to get........... Cannot remember the rest.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Marge: Now, I know you haven't liked some of my past suggestions, like switching to the metric system --
Abe: The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
- The Simpsons episode "A Star is Burns"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrSchizoid:
Really? I'm an AZ native (Chandler) too, and all I’ve ever heard is soda, even when I go out. This is all very strange.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, the people at work are going to think it's weird when I go around with a can of... ah... carbonated beverage and ask them what it is. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/shock.gif

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Thank you geoschmo

Could not remember what esp. that quote was from
http://www.snpp.com/ for all you simpsons fans.

Speaking of pop/soda. What is your favourite one.

I personally like Ginger ale. Esp. Vernors and PC Ginger Ale ( Loblaws brand pop ) and Grace's line of ginger beer.

But after a Pizza it has to be a cola. Pespi.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
Some of you Americans know nothing of Canada...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[sarcasm]
"All I Need to Know About Canada I Learned From 'Strange Brew'": Candians are beer-swilling hockey goons who tell each other to "Take off, Hoser!"
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No, that is not my belief! I know better than that. 'Sides, I can't bash a nation that spawned perhaps the greatest rock band in history, Rush!

Convert to metric? Yeah, that's gonna happen! My brain thinks in Imperial (like it thinks in English)-- I see metric and I have to convert in my head to make sense of it! (Although metric is a much more comprehensible system than Imperial, I only ever used metric in the chemistry lab.)

Quikngruvn

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What have I started... lol


I have consumed just the syrup of mountain dew once. I'm not sure what happened after I cleaned out that 32 ounce cup, but I know it involved building 3 condos and a time share..... All in 20 minutes......

What ever happened to my Pepsi Clear! Where are you!

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I can now officially post the results of my highly scientific poll concerning carbonated beverages.

Soda: 4
Pop: 3
Coke: 2
Canadian that wouldn't give me a straight answer: 1

Arizona is a highly confused place. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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The "soda water" Puke describes sounds like "seltzer" to me, used in mixed drinks and by Vaudeville comedians. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif There's also the extremely nasty "tonic water", with quinine as the main flavoring, IIRC, but I don't remember that being carbonated.

Celine Dion is a French-Canadian singer who has been a huge success in the US recording industry. BTW, her musical genre is "pop". http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon10.gif

My favorite carbonated beverage is birch beer, which is similar to root beer, but nearly impossible to find around here. (Despite the names, neither of these contain alcohol.)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
What have I started... lol


I have consumed just the syrup of mountain dew once. I'm not sure what happened after I cleaned out that 32 ounce cup, but I know it involved building 3 condos and a time share..... All in 20 minutes......

What ever happened to my Pepsi Clear! Where are you!

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Yes Hadrian, we kind of comandeered your thread here. Hope you don't mind too much. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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It's both, but not coke.

Simple enough?

How many fried eggs (AZ people http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif) do we have here, anyway?

Phoenix-D

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the thread is okay, but where is my Pepsi Clear gawddamite

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Yes, let's resurect the great "Soda vs Pop vs Cola" debate.

I, living in Ohio call it pop as well. I have friends from various parts of the country who call it one or the other. After much research I have placed the dividing line, running roughly in a north-south direction, somewhere slightly west of Indianapolis Indiana.

Anybody care to chime in so we can narrow it down more specifically.

Geo

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Actually, the 'dividing line' is a north-south more than an east-west line. The Great Lakes area has a distinct culture/language identity. So, people in Chicago would also call it 'pop' and people in Iowa would too. (Chicago seems to be the 'capital' of the Great Lakes culture, btw.) But people in Southern Illinois and Missouri would tend to say 'soda'. The line does move north somewhat as it goes west so you might get the impression that it 'ends' west of Indiana. There is a similar difference over things like 'grocery bag' vs. 'grocery sack' and 'foil' vs. 'silver paper' (yeah, weird one, huh?) and several other regionalisms. Anyway, the Great Lakes/Midwest cultural region is roughly the northern tier of states: Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, the western end of Pennsylvania, and the northern half of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. Roughly the northern 'half' that is. It's not like you can cross a marked border anywhere. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif But people from northern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois can tell the difference with people from the southern half of these states. I think people from Southern Ohio have a noticable "Southern accent" myself.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
the thread is okay, but where is my Pepsi Clear gawddamite

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donno, but that advertising campaign sure ruined that 'right now' song for me. cant hear it on the classic rock station without instantly picturing the pepsi commercials once the first bar is played.

THAT was good marketing, regardless of what you think about the product. another good ad line was the Be All You Can Be, and I have to say that I am truely upset by this "Army of One" nonesense.


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Your Pespi Clear is sitting right next to my Tab. HA HA AHHHHA Cool and refreshing. Oh No wrong add, right company ( must be ok then )

What I want to know is where is the dividing line between Dr.Pepper and Mr. PIB. ( I believe that is what you call it)

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Pop is something Richie Cunningham offers Arthur Fonzarelli at Arnold's.

Much has changed since then, you guys may want to stop slicking your hair with Grease.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
another good ad line was the Be All You Can Be, and I have to say that I am truely upset by this "Army of One" nonesense.
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What happens when that army of one guy retires? Do we not have an army then?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:

What I want to know is where is the dividing line between Dr.Pepper and Mr. PIB. ( I believe that is what you call it)

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I dont think you do (divide, that is). you will find them both in the same place. for example, anywhere where there is PIB there is usually the Dr. San Diego has no PIB but certain fast food places in the Bay Area do.. San Antonio yes, North Austin no, South Austin yes. its sort of like a safeway (or insert your local grocery store here) brand.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nitram Draw:
What happens when that army of one guy retires? Do we not have an army then?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you've got to admit that it would certainly cut defense expendatures...

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Pop is what you do to the top of a soda bottle so you can drink it.

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Army of one... You know what that means, They are just going to have one dude with a nuke strapped into his radio, air drop him behind enemy lines, and when he radios for help, BOOM!


One army of 5000 gone at one man's stupidity.


If the army wanted a new slogan, they should go to war movies and epic films like Patton, Gladiator, Star Trek II, Pirates of Silicon Valley, and such.

What we need here in america is a good, fun, head bashing. We got some enemies left over that the cold war didn't kill. Let's get one of them.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
What we need here in america is a good, fun, head bashing. We got some enemies left over that the cold war didn't kill. Let's get one of them.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, there's nothing like a war effort to revive a sluggish economy. That and it would give the TV networks something to talk about besides Jenna Bush. (Jeez, leave the girl alone! What college kid doesn't take a drink before reaching twenty-one? Granted, most don't try to order a margarita using a fake ID with the Secret Service just a few feet away....)

I want to know what happened to Jolt! Twice the sugar and four times the caffeine as Mountain Dew, or something ungodly like that. Man, it makes my heart race just thinking about it....

Quikngruvn

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In South Africa, you have “Cool drinks”, which covers everything in the soda pop range and here in Kenya, we have “Softa” or “Soda”. In Canada as kid we had “soft drinks”. But you shouldn’t be drinking that stuff, it gives you acne. Well, that is what Mom told me...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I want to know what happened to Jolt!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's here:
http://www.wetplanet.com/main.html

Poking around there a bit, I found a page that mentions it has 54% more caffeine than Mountain Dew. ISTR reading somewhere that it had the legal limit for caffeine content to still be categorized as a "soft drink".

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island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

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I think if it's any higher than 54% it becomes either Instant Death or Instant Diabetes....

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Here's some info on how much caffeine is in various beverages:
http://coffeefaq.com/caffaq.html#HowMuchCaff

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I'm from Philly. (That's Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for you non-USAers.) We say "soda" definitely. Also most Washington, D.C. area natives say "soda." I'm fairly sure that it is "soda" throughout the entire Philly to DC megalopolis. I think "soda" extends north to NYC, but changes to "pop" by the time one reaches Boston. And I'm fairly sure that it changes to "pop" pretty suddenly south of DC.

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Florida here, soda all around...

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POP......Western Washington USA...

If you say SODA, eveyone assumes your from california and you are identified as someone who we can blame for all our traffic problems, housing prices, and urban sprall , and they must be one of those ultra liberals who voted for Mayor Paul Shell ..... ;-)

**Puts on asbestos suit**.....

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CLEAR PEPSI GAWD DAGNABIT

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJC:
POP......Western Washington USA...

If you say SODA, eveyone assumes your from california and you are identified as someone who we can blame for all our traffic problems, housing prices, and urban sprall , and they must be one of those ultra liberals who voted for Mayor Paul Shell ..... ;-)

**Puts on asbestos suit**.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DARN RIGHT! well, all but the ultra liberal bit. who the heck is Paul Shell? care for a Soada?

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Soda! S-O-D-A Soda! So- So- So- So- Soda! (With apologies to the Kinks.)

Quikngruvn