OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2008
 

I'm assuming there's at least a few folks who play Dominions who also have read Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series. Well, Sam Raimi is producing a syndicated show based on the first book.

http://www.prophets-inc.com/news/

Starts filming in May. No word on cast, and no word on how they're going to handle half a season with a Dominatrix riding the pain train. At least from what I recall of the first book that was like half the novel.

And since Raimi is doing it you know Bruce Campbell is going to appear at some point.

Re: OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2
 

Wow, there are so many good books out there to make a show out of, and they pick this one.

If Robert Jordan is next, I'm giving up on televised fantasy.

HBO better get cracking on Song Of Ice and Fire. Malazan books would make best series ever. A Dominions movie would be exceptional, as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Actually, having Bruce in it may just save the movie, come to think of it.

Re: OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2
 

I must second your entire post.

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I heard they are making a Dragonlance movie too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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The Dragonlance movie is actually already out.

http://www.amazon.com/Dragonlance-Dr...dp/B000Y7U996/

The Amazon reviews don't make me want to spend $15 on it, although Tracy Hickman seemed to like it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2
 

The Dragonlance movie has boobies, Keifer Sutherland and Lucy Lawless, and is pretty faithful to the book.

On the downside it is pretty faithful to the book, has terrible animation, and feels really incomplete because it is just the first book.

Unless you are a big Raistlin fan, I can't recommend it.

Re: OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2
 

Thirding.

Also some Steven Brust or Zelazny would be acceptable. Make a movie based on Armor and all is forgiven.

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IIRC, Sword of Truth is some kind of Ayn Randian preachy right wing bollocks, yeah? I recall that it was even worse than Modesitt in terms of lecture:adventure content.

Song of Ice and Fire sounds much more promising, and I can't argue with dragons+boobies=4w3some+win.

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Song of Ice and Fire should probably be turned into a TV series, not a movie. There's just way too much content to be contained by movies.
Take a look at the LOTR movie, it had 3 movies, each 3 hours long and they still had to drop all sorts of stuff. Song of Ice and Fire has more books, each with more pages, each page with more words (I think), and more of it has really important content.

Re: OT: Sword of Truth coming to television Fall 2
 

What I want to see is a movie of David Gemmel's "Legend"

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That's what's happening with it. HBO is turning it into a series, not a movie, so it should get a decent treatment. You'll still lose stuff, but that's always going to happen, but it will definitely be better than trying to abridge it down to 2-3 hours.

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I cannot see a series being faithful to Song of Fire and Ice. Too much stuff - too
many viewpoints and plot lines, too many major characters dropping off like flies,
and way too much 'War is Hell' lately. I suspect the author is an anti-Iraq-war
activist, judging from his latest two books.

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And another character went blind, so he must be agitating for vitamin A supplements in the third world, the hippy.

"A Feast for Crows" was the provisional title for novel #4 back during the Clinton administration. You think that if not for Iraq it would've been full of fluffy bunnies?

I don't think the current military environment is what shapes his plotlines.

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Hmm, I never got that vibe. Only 'A Feast For Crows' came out post-Iraq, and since the entire series began way back in what, '99 or so, I'm thinking he's probably had a plan from the beginning and stuck with it. Now, if you're talking about his works outside the Fire and Ice series that he has recently released I haven't read them, so I can't comment on those.

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I don't think his message is "war is hell". It's more like "people are hell".

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I think Martin just likes killing of lots of characters. But I think like real life, heroes and people die. Many other series people go through amazingly dangerous events and dont die. Which is contrary to real life. Hell Europe during the similar period (medieval, w/o magic even )and there was widespread death, mortality rate, and you had a great chance to never survive your first battle, and this of course affected kings too.
So even though his books annoy me I still like him, actually saw his book signing too. He is a smart man, even if i think he just makes up some of his choices just to shock people.

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Of course people go through amazingly dangerous events in real life and don't die in real life. More do die, of course. That's why they're called "dangerous events".

The general assumption in any kind of heroic fiction is that you're writing about the ones that made it, not the ones who died along the way. They're in the stories, because they're the ones who succeeded.

Anyway, my impression of Martin isn't real life, it's the other extreme from the standard happy fantasy stereotype: No good deed goes unpunished. Any trust is rewarded with betrayal, etc.

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Oh I would agree that he is totally jaded. but I mean not many people represent that perspective. It is definitely fresh.

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That is true to an extent... be we do learn that even villains who we started despising in the beginning have the capability to change into something better (Jamie) and that sometimes good deeds can be rewarded (John).

I think the violence and bad things that happen in the series is just shocking because most fantasy fans aren't used to that sort of thing... so it's harder to see the good things that do happen.

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YES! Even as a book, it felt more like there was an epic movie being played in my head. And the fact that Druss is old, and his axe unpossessed, and the battle is taking its toll, and he still beats everyone up just makes the skin crawl in your back.

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Love Legend, I think its David Gemmels best book.

If done correctly, with the right actor playing Druss and some matrix style combat scenes (except with a bloody big, formerly demon possessed battle axe) and a good supporting cast, it would be a great film.

Sadly, hollywood has a track record of ruining fantasy films based on good books.

Btw, did someone mention Lucy Lawless? I can watch her all day... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Who would you cast as Druss? I would say Sean Connery, but he doesn't have the right build. I don't rally know of any hulking, aging men who are good actors.

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"Legend" was the best ten cents I ever spent.

At the time I was able to fit in reading a lot more than I can today, and because of that I spent a lot of time in used book stores. I was browsing the fantasy section of one such store and came across "Legend". At the time I had never read anything by Gemmel and was completely unfamiliar with the book. I picked it up on a whim, and with my store credit the cost came to a dime.

Sat down that evening at dinner and started reading it and was completely amazed. One thing you learn from picking up books on the cheap, there are *a lot* of really bad fantasy novels out there. "Legend" was not. Totally blew me away.

I sought out other stuff from Gemmel but I have to say nothing seemed to equal that first taste.

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A few, random thoughts:

It's a shame about the Sword of Truth series. I started reading the first book, got through about three chapters (which weren't bad), lost interest, lost the book (my cousin "borrowed" it, which is ok, because I turned around and "borrowed" his extensive collection of Magic: The Gathering cards.), and then heard that the rest was so much slop.

I stuck around longer (than I should have) for the Wheel of Time series. Here's some advice: just go read Dune.

I'm surprised noone mentioned the Riftwar saga. There's another series that started out really strong and then slowly but less-than-inevitably sunk like the Titanic.

Song of Ice and fire was great for the first two books. I kind of got lost by the third "let's scar/deform/ cripple/massacre/sideline all the characters" book, and have yet to return.

I just don't have enough hours in my day to fit in an ill-recommended, ill-concieved, ill-continued, or ill-fated series of books.

David Gemmel was great.

Sean Connery is not only too old, he's retired from acting. If you absolutely *need* an aging Scottish actor in your life, I suggest you start looking at Billy Connolly. He's amazingly talented.

For Druss, I'd suggest Vincent Regan, he played the Captain in 300.

If you could dry him out and clean him up, and if he could still do the physical training, Nick Nolte might make an amazing Druss. If you don't believe me, rent Farewell to the King sometime. It's not the best movie ever, but it's one of the best war-movies, and a movie that should be seen.

Ofcourse, I'm always up for the part http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I'm a big guy, I'm aging badly, and I can handle an axe (I used to do a lot of land-scaping).

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Nobody's mentioned Limyaael's rant on Goodkind yet? I will then.

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Mm. Yes, that rant's pretty much spot on.

I gave up on Jordan around book 5 because I was just finding it incredibly tedious. I gave up on Goodkind book three or four because of the misogyny. It's full of ****tish women who desperately want the hero, virtually all of whom die horribly. And that's just about every woman in the book who has more than a passing mention; except the hero's girlfriend, who spends all her time obsessing over him to the point you want to throw the book across the room.

What makes it even worse is that the hero is, frankly, extraordinarily dull. His best attribute is the usual fantasy cliche of uncorruptible righteousness, but I think it takes a little more than personal integrity to have women desperately trying to get you into bed.

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Interesting. I liked both the series, and i'm kinda surprised by all the negative comments here.