Ummh
 

Have you seen the new ad for Dom3?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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I don't get it and I don't like it, hope my wife doesn't see it.

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I think it may be an attempt to break away from the stodgy emotional homosexuality that plagues war games.

I think it merely substitutes emotional homosexuality with the emotional unisexuality that plagues every other video game though.

still it is nice to see the attempt. I don't find it offensive. Its unusualness in this sort of context (stodgy war/strategy game site) is kind of refreshing. I hope you and your spouses can all see the quirky humor in it. It's funny. Don't you like jokes?

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Reminds me of an advert for Golden Orb motherboard fans.

They had a naked female model sitting in a computer chair with her legs crossed covering her breasts with her hands, while a powerful fan blew her hair back. That was it, the whole advert. Golden Orb fans, buy them because LOOK A NAKED WOMAN.

Lazy, stupid, childish.


As for this advert, I have to go with Cor2. I don't get it. Why does this woman want Dominions 3? Generally speaking if you've made an advert where your product name is completely interchangeable with any other, you've messed up.

I want my Bacon Sandwich.
I want my Holsten Pils.
I want my Rotary Blender.
I want my Oxfam Donation Pack.
I want my Life Insurance Policy.
I want my Evolution Lancer.
I want my 2 Year Diploma.
I want my Bog Beast.

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Where can I see this advert?!

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Refresh this page until you see it at the top.

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your still not placing it in the correct context. of course the content is completely interchangable; but that's not the point.

This is all about medium and texture over content and substance. This is modernism attacking the established order of the enlightenment's orthodoxy. War/strategy games have always been very stodgy, orthodox, with a slight distaste for all of those "low" games of the masses; simplistic action games and such whose advertisements ARE flashy and suggestive. War/strategy advertisements are about how realistic they are, and portray pictures and symbols emphasizing their history, tradition, accuracy, and high quality.

Now here is Dom3's advertisement. What do you see? Is it WinBattle Tanks "We are so realistic the REAL army uses our game to train"? Nope. Is it Raging Tiger's or Falkland's emphasis on history, war, and battle? Nope. These are symbols of the War/Strategy orthodoxy. Dom3's advertisement is a woman looking back at you, legs in a suggestive position, asking for her Dom3. There is NO substance in that, but there isn't supposed to be. If you don't get it, it is because you are too caught up in the orthodoxy of war/strategy. It is all about the attack on that orthodoxy, portraying EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what war/strategy is all about.

I'm not arguing that it is a great idea to run that ad, but I think its point is to seperate Dom3 from the war/strategy orthodoxy. In that sense it is a very modernist ad; I think its imagery is deliberate, and not so shallow as people suggest. It is aware of and utilizing its context and medium.

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Nice picture, but I don't get it. Of course,all of us who don't get it already have the game so it is quite likely someone is smart enough not to aim the marketing at us.

Then again, it might be a picture of KO making Megapatch 3.20.

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Give me a break. Sexy pictures are not an attack on any kind of advertising orthodoxy.

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Yeah I'm familiar with postmodernist theory. But in my measured opinion this isn't a clever juxtaposition of high and low revealing the absurd arbitrariness of artistic value. It's just a crap advert. I don't care how knowing or self mocking or ironic it supposed to be, it took longer for me to type this sentence than it did for them to come up with that ad. That's just lazy.

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well i'm studying Pmod theory right now. so I enjoy taking opportunities to exercise its perspective. helps me digest what I read http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

to thejeff: it isn't the attack on advertising orthodoxy, it is the attack on war/strategy orthodoxy.

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Give them a break. I think it is a pretty brave thing to do in their position. I'm with Omnirizon on this.

As for the nakedness it is just a nipple, I see that every day. Both for real and in the history books I'm reading at the moment.

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Cupido likes women. Cupido likes Dominions3. So Cupido likes the ad. But that girl should really hug a bog beast or something dominionesque instead of just lying there and say "I love my Dominions 3".

Huh?! Did I miss something? There's a nipple? Where? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif You mean that cushion? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.

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I had to blink a couple times to realize that wasn't a bare nipple, myself. At first glance she looks naked.

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Wow, it IS official. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

I don't know what I should think about that, but in case anyone else wonders... Yes, it does appear as one of the ads on top of the page, eventually.

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It's already Tuesday in Taiwan!

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Good point.

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I agree, She should be hugging a bog beast, or a cyclops doll (talk about suggestive..) or something. But I mean hey, its not like you can show the battle graphics and say "best looking game award 1985!"

Its hard to advertise "THE DEEPEST STRAT GAME YOU HAVE EVER PLAYED!!"

but I agree. I like women, and boobs. but I have a girlfriend, I dont need an add with one. :O though it is especially humorous

Edit: It should at least say something like "Dominions 3: With 10% more women!" (because we added a new faction of giant women or something)

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I think many of you may be missing the fact that the ad is targetting pretty blond women that like to hang out in comfortable clothes and play PBEM strategy games. It is a viable demographic with plenty of discretionary income. As the forum soon fills with blond women we will hear "Bambi whipped my Ulm butt with her GOR Tartarian Monstrum" ... and the like.

-SSJ

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This guy figured it out.

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I thought the add was funny.

So where do Dominion 3 players like her hang out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Banners_2004/IWantMyD3.jpg if you can't get it to load.

I dunno about the ad. It doesn't explain anything about what Dominions 3 is. I suppose given the context this being a wargamer board, it's interesting, but why not have her playing Dom 3? I think that would be way cooler. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Are there any girls that play Dom 3 though? I have a feeling this game is just too geeky, but I would be glad to hear if I am wrong about that.

Anyway is that ad still going to be around on Wednesday? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Oh by the way, can someone translate this into English? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just for the sake of exploring postmodernist theory, which I'm somewhat interested in, does Dominions 3 challenge the accepted order / master narrative in any meaningful way however it is advertised? I mean it's a fun indie game, but like you're conquering the world in Dom 3 just like every other 4X. I would love to see fighting for global domination in Dom 3 as cool and subversive, but I can't see how that could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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That is one strategically placed cushion! Obviously a very appropriate ad for a strategy game.

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I clicked on the ad just to show that there were no hard feelings over the peel ad and to support my favorite grognards at Shrapnel. (It is worth noting that I am not one who normally clicks on ads. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

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I think I used modernism/postmodernism somewhat confusingly, but that is because I was presenting two different viewpoints in one. I will break it down:

1. modernism is the result of modernity. Modernity is the result of the enlightenment (order and reason, that there is a thing such as reason, everything is knowable, everything is orderable; perfection is both possible and desirable).

1a. modernism is both a reaction against the enlightenment ideals of modernity, but rooted in them. It was a rage against order, but a celebration of individuality, freedom, and mass culture. These things are all the result of "universal man". Modernity, the enlightenment, created "universal man" in opposition to "situated man". Situated man is the non-universal, entrenched in tradition and the past; things the enlightenment believes corrupt true Reason. So modernity creates "universal man", a man of pure reason and universality. But now universal man is above the order that created him, he is universal, he has no reason to be beholden to whatever created him. He reacts against order using its own ideals of universality and freedom. Thus: Modernism.

2. Postmodernism is the result of postmodernity. Postmodernity is the result of modernism. It is the crass, limitless, fragmented, mass culture that modernism created, and that we are all comfortable with today.

2a. Some authors blame 'modernism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say capitalism worked just fine, it was the raucous modernism activity, the beatniks, the hippies, the radical movements, the permissiveness, that caused modernity to decay into postmodernity. These authors say modernism is dead, and it is time to return to the ordered ideals of the enlightenment. The enlightenment didn't fail, modernism did.

2b. Some authors blame 'capitalism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say modernism was a solution to mass growth of urban life and culture. But that capitalism, not modernism, created and encouraged the permissiveness and boundlessness of contemporary culture. Capitalism had an unquenchable need to accumulate, accumulate. Make more and more. Sell more and more. Everyone buy buy buy. This lead to capitalism creating permissiveness in culture; which leads us in postmodernism.

Because of these two different perspectives, you will see 'modernism' used to refer to both the belief in order, and the reaction against it. 'Postmodernism', whenever it is used, is a reference, sometimes celebration, of the fragmentation of life, of self, of the society we have today.

Whenever someone uses the term 'Postmodernism', they will always then refer to 'Modernism' as the belief in order and reason. They see modernism and postmodernism as a coherent dialect, the first caused the other. These are people who argue that capitalism, not modernism, caused postmodernity. Capitalism is the root of fragmentation.

Those who believe modernism is to blame for postmodernity, do not often use the term 'postmodernism'. For them, modernism turned into postmodernism, there really is no difference between them. Modernism was the fragmentation all along.

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I think there was once one female of the species that played Dom 3, but she has since disappeared from the boards (I did not stalk her).

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Maybe she's the Dom_3 female intern KO mentioned from earlier posts.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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That's what they should caption the ad with.

...!

Something just occurred to me, maybe this is an April Fool's prank.

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There have been several. Saber Cherry was quite active for a long time. She was a math/programming genius, made a graphicless combat simulator for DomII and did various test with it since she could change it to have different mechanics than the base game. She also had lots of strange mod ideas, and in fact she presented an early idea of "eras" way back then. It was more stone/bronze age than the iron age we currently have, but still.

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But it went up yesterday, so if it is it fails at that as well as failing as an advert :]

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Maybe it was supposed to say this (artwork inspired by cupido2):

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ions/dom4B.jpg

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Concerning whether girls play Dom3: My ex-girlfriend got really into Dominions 3, and played a few MP games. She stopped playing when we split up though, I think she associated it too much with me.

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That's exactly what I meant with my post, vfb. That's how the ad should be. When I look at it now, I want my Dominions 4! Give me my Dominions 4! I know you hide it somewhere KO! GIVE IT TO ME NOW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

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Some people would look at that and think "lucky bogbeast!". I look at it and wonder where she's wearing her poison prot items.

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I can feel nothing but sorrow for the bog beast. Look at the plaintive expression with which he gazes upon her! But she is bored, and is not interested in bog beast overtures. She is perhaps changing the channel on the TV with her remote control.


P.S. Sorry cupido2! Your post was what inspired me to add in the Bog Beast. Originally I just changed the number to 4. But it's much better with him in it I think! I've edited in credit for your idea.

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vfb's ad made me come up with a hilarious Flash mini-game which would tremendously raise the hit counts for Shrapnelgames.

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If that doesn't get people buying dom 3 nothing will!

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No no, vfb, my post wasn't for credits for myself but for acclaim of your artwork! That's exactly how I imagined it. Well done!

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I'd just like to know what the hell is wrong with her neck... she looks like half of a low-budget Borg or something. Overall totally disappointing and almost laughable in its utter failure in every way. I really hope you didn't pay somebody to do this. Next time, hire someone with more than an Ulmishman's worth of imagination.

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LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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> Concerning whether girls play Dom3: My ex-girlfriend got really into Dominions 3,
> and played a few MP games. She stopped playing when we split up though, I
> think she associated it too much with me

[censored]. I could have written that word for word. Yvelina was active on the
forums, won the first SC arena, placed 2nd in the Battlefield tournament...
Once we broke up, she abandoned Dominions II as well.

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How do you stop playing Dominions? Simple feelings like love and hate can't even touch my addiction with this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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So it seems that there's an easy way to increase female player quotas around here. Send a hit squad to kill any geek who introduces his girlfriend to the game, thus protecting her from the traumatic experience of post-breakup game rejection.

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Ergh, now cupido2 changed his avatar image to vfb's ad. Damn, and here I thought I could use his previous avatar image some more for my faux Turing tests. If they were able to find out what it was supposed to display, they passed. Weren't many. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I drew it myself. It's my first avatar ever and I'm very proud of myself. And it makes me rich, as you used it without my permission. You owe me a lot of money. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

And what the heck is a Turing test? And what's a faux Turing test?

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Maybe "captcha" was a better word. A test if somebody is human or a robot, depending whether or not he succeeds in correctly identifying the image.

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Ah, I see. So a thinking being actually can recognize what my avatar should be. I'm a gifted painter. I will change my avatar back for you, Ich.

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The test to see if somebody is a human or replicant depends on whether their pupils dilate when they see the new Dom4 ad.