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Sorry I did not respond to the latest Posts sooner. I was off the computer due to family problems. My uncle Mack on my father's side died, and I had to attend the funeral in Louisiana. To make up for connection withdrawal symptoms I have been reading the latest science fiction book by David Weber and John Ringo - "March To The Sea". It is the sequel to "March Upcountry", so unless you read that one too you would lose a lot of the references to previous background data. Another book I would like to read again is "The Number Of The Beast" by Heinlein. No telling what that old geezer could have done if he had been a software developer rather than a fiction writer. I suppose that writing software was too structured an activity for his appetite. Too bad he died Last decade, he probably could have contributed even more ideas that would have made games like SE IV even more interesting.
Now that we have a MUCH bigger house we will be able to buy bookshelves and unpack my 60 U-HAUL cartons of science fiction. I have over 4000 titles and 1000 months of pulps, mostly Astounding/Analog and F&SF. I collected them and read about half between 1979 and 1989. Then I got an out of town job and they went into storage for 12 years. It cost me about $20,000 for them, so by now they are worth over $100,000. Anybody interested ? Lots of them are first edition or in really good shape bought new or both. After I apologized I spent a lot of time reading various things posted by the forum members. I am just beginning to appreciate the abilities of those who are deeply involved with the game, particularly the modders and game site owners. I never visited the forum until the day I posted my first article about research strategy and my first hack at map creation. Compare map3 to map10a and ROFLMO if you like - I did. As I mentioned in the OT .... business thread, I have written over 5000 pages of software. But my Last job in 90 got me FIRED for "excessive absenteeism". It was a really big company with clout in the computer industry, so since nobody was even willing to INTERVIEW let alone HIRE me after that, I have to presume I was BLACKLISTED. I have been toying with the notion of going back to work now that computers have become really powerful. One of my greatest frustrations early on was that 64k address space, then with overlays the few megabytes of hard memory available. Virtual memory was just becoming practical with higher disk transfer rates when I quit writing software in 93. With the latest drives and 32+ bit address spaces there is room enough now for 3d and virtual reality applications even on a modest home pc. Once I do what I can to help Aaron with his execution time problem and maybe even his engine AI, I will be looking for a JOB instead of just PLAYING games. If nothing comes through, I will just start reading my old Favorites and some of the better titles by new authors. There is a lot to wade through because back in 86 I made a list of my 300 Favorites and another list of over 1700 good ones worth reading over again at least once. I published those lists on disks for Amiga Users as Freedom Computing Publications Hotdisk #1 and #2. There never was a 3 because I ran out of money. Anybody ever seen those lists? You needed the Scribble! utility to read them, a fatal error on my part. I sent out 300 of #1 but only a dozen of number #2 due to lack of feedback.... If Schrapnel can tolerate it, it would be interesting to see what other people think is the best science fiction book ever written, and give their generation as well as when they started reading sf ? Edit : Typos [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 10 August 2001).] |
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sorry about youre uncle but on to the topic my favorite book would definitly be any f the Oddysey series and as far as tv the japanease anime Gundam WIng,Star tRek the next generation and well thats it bye bye
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The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick is my all time favorite. Also a big fan of Zelazny and Bradbury. I guess I started really reading sci-fi around age 13 (I'm 23 now). Kind of graduated to sci-fi from pulp fantasy (not that there's anything particularly wrong with fantasy, pulp or otherwise).
Oh, and while we're on the subject of sci-fi writing, I think I'll add a gratuitous plug for one of my favorite sci-fi publications, On-Spec, a Canadian-based speculative short story and poetry magazine. The story quality is high, the voice tends to be uniquely Canadian (although On-Spec is not a Canadian-only publication; submissions are accepted from anyone who wants to send one in) and there is plenty of content for the money (four issues a year, each running 100 pages plus). Anyway, I just thought I'd put the word out there, especially to fellow Canuks who might be interested. I'd recommend the mag to anyone though, especially to you Americans with that kick-*** exchange rate! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Anyway, great thread LCC, it will be interesting to see what some of the other SIEV players out there are reading. |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mad_Lear:
Anyway, great thread LCC, it will be interesting to see what some of the other SIEV players out there are reading.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I go off for a shower and supper. When I get back there are already two replies and a compliment! Okay, more of the same! I would like to keep this thread clean, no flames like I was guilty of in other threads. So unless you have something good to say about an author or title do not say it. Start another thread if you like - such as "what authors do you hate ?" Some other top ten authors/titles in no particular order "Citizen of the Galaxy" Robert A. Heinlein "The Probability Broach" and others in series L. Neil Smith "The Revolution From Rosinante" and others in series Alexei Gilliand "When Harlie Was One" David Gerrold "A Fire Upon the Deep" Vernor Vinge "The Stainless Steel Rat" and others in series Harry Harrison Well, the list could go on and on. If people are really interested I could locate my old book catalog or the list I published before and just give one book for each author up to 1986. I never updated it for later books, because I did not think that anybody was interested. [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 10 August 2001).] |
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Definitely Fire Upon the Deep.
Also Startide Rising, the Honor Harringtons series, A Mote in Gods Eye, and plenty I can't think of right now http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Phoenix-D |
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Hmm... That mention of Fire Upon the Deep makes me think, wouldn't it be neat to be able to implement Vingean "Zones" in an SEIV map? For those that haven't read the book, in that universe there is some kind of field emanating from the galactic core that affects what kinds of technology can operate. The closer to the core you are, the less stuff works; when you get close enough ordinary living brains stop working and people die. Faster-than-light travel is only possible in the outer half of the galaxy.
I can think of a couple of ways this kind of thing could be implemented in SEIV already. Systems can have built-in shield inhibiting effects and combat sensor interferance, so you could set up a map where the systems at one end have high shield inhibition and high combat sensor interferance and the systems at the other end don't, with a smooth gradient between the zones or a sharp border depending on the designer's preference. This sounds kind of neat. Ships designed to take advantage of conditions on one side of the map would be at a severe disadvantage on the other side, and ships designed to work well under both conditions wouldn't do so well against specialized ships on their home turf. Heh. I'm going to go look through the abilities.txt file to see if there are other system-wide capabilities I can employ. Maybe I'll finally set up my own PBW game if this works well. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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For slowing ships down- perhaps the "random movement" ability?
You couldn't do the Zone storms, nor the effects on the Transence and higher levels of the beyond on how tech actually works, but..perhaps the maintance decrease ability? Can you apply that to a system? So as you get deeper, that ability starts to get weaker, making your ships more expensive. Using combat sensor abilities would probably be a bad idea. It would affect all ships evenly, so the low tech ships would be at a disdvantage no matter where they were. Phoenix-D |
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I found my index, but many books I do not recall well, even the ones I marked as really good. Here are the a-b authors. I am going to stick to one book per author, which is a hard choice for authors like Poul Anderson.....
Douglas Adams - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Robert Adams - Castaways In Time Terry Adams - Sentience Brian Aldiss - Starship Roger McBride Allen - Rogue Powers Chester Anderson - Ten Years To Doomsday Poul Anderson - Fire Time Piers Anthony - Prostho Plus Christopher Anvil - Pandora's Planet Isaac Asimov - The End of Eternity Robert Asprin - Thieve's World Bill Baldwin - The Helmsman Brian Ball - Planet Probability Balmer & Wylie - When Worlds Collide Pierre Barbet - Baphomet's Meteor Neal Barrett Jr. - The Karma Corps T.J. Bass - The Godwhale Barrington Bayley - The Zen Gun Greg Bear - Eon Gregory Benford - Timescape Stephen Berry - The Biofab War Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination Lloyd Biggle Jr. - The Light That Never Was David Bischoff - Day of the Dragonstar James Blish - Cities In Flight J.F. Bone - Confederation Matador Ben Bova - Millenium John Boyd - The Last Starship From Earth Leigh Brackett - The Long Tomorrow Ray Bradbury - Dandelion Wine Marion Zimmer Bradley - Seven From the Stars Reginald Bretnor - Gilpin's Space David Brin - The Practice Effect Fedrick Brown - Martians Go Home John Brunner - The Crucible of Time Algis Budrys - The Falling Torch Lois McMaster Bujold - The Warrior's Apprentice Kenneth Bulmer - On the Symb-Socket Circuit William R. Burkett Jr. - Sleeping Planet Edgar Rice Burroughs - A Princess of Mars F.M. Busby - All These Earths Edward Byers - The Long Forgetting I cut a lot of authors and of course nothing here is later than 89 when my books got packed.... |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
For slowing ships down- perhaps the "random movement" ability?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not sure how that one works. Would it affect bases and satellites? If so, that would make for a rather interesting system but I don't think it fits the Zones very well http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>perhaps the maintance decrease ability? Can you apply that to a system? So as you get deeper, that ability starts to get weaker, making your ships more expensive.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I believe it would work as a system ability, since the Crystalline Restructuring Facility reduces maintenance system-wide already. But I think that would give an unfair advantage to races originating in the Beyond (that's the name for the high-tech area, for those that aren't familiar with AFUtD) because they could build up a larger fleet to send into the Slow Zone (that's the low-tech area) than the Slow Zone people could build to send into the Beyond. I guess I could remove the unfairness by having all races start in the Slow Zone. Then I could use every trick in the book to make the Slow Zone into the armpit of the quadrant, with combat penalties and resource penalties and research penalties. Everyone will race to colonize the Beyond and all the big wars will be fought up there, just like in the book. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Using combat sensor abilities would probably be a bad idea. It would affect all ships evenly, so the low tech ships would be at a disdvantage no matter where they were.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No, a low-tech ship that left the Slow Zone would regain normal combat sensor abilities as it entered the Beyond systems that didn't have the combat sensor penalty. By giving all ships in the slow zone a to-hit penalty, people in the Slow Zone would favour using missiles, fighters, larger ship hulls, shorter-range direct fire weapons (to reduce range accuracy penalties), and maybe torpedoes. The Beyonders who come charging in with their high-tech shielded WMG cruisers would be at a disadvantage against native Slow-Zone ships loaded with missiles and piles of armor. Or so I would imagine, anyway. I need to test this out some. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif My main goal is to make certain types of ships and technology preferable in one half of the quadrant while a different type of technology is preferable in the other half. I don't want to just use shield dampening for this, either, since then organic races would kick Slow-Zoner butt. Has anyone ever tried giving a system level five sensor ability to eliminate cloaking devices? |
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Here are the c-d authors.
Grant Callin - Saturn Alia John W. Campbell - The Ultimate Weapon Orson Scott Card - Ender's Game Jayce Carr - Leviathon's Deep Terry Carr - Fellowship of the Stars Lin Carter - Time War Jeffrey Carver - The Infinity Link Jack Chalker - Twilight At The Well Of Souls A. Bertram Chandler - Star Loot C.J. Cherryh - Hunter of Worlds, Serpent's Reach, Book of Morgaine,Cuckoo's Egg, heck ALL of them except the short stories John Christopher - Tripods trilogy Arthur C. Clark - Rendevous With Rama Jo Clayton - Drinker of Souls Hal Clement - Through the Eye of a Needle William Cochrane - Class Six Climb Allan Cole & Chris Bunch - Sten series Michael Coney - The Jaws That Bite, The Claws That Catch Gerard Conway - Mindship Glen Cook - The Black Company Paul Cook - Halo Edmund Cooper - A Far Sunset Lee Correy - A Matter of Metalaw Juanita Coulson - The Singing Stones Robert Coulson - Gates of the Universe Richard Cowper - Time Out of Mind Joan Cox - Star Web Ray Cummings - The Exile of Time Damiel Da Cruz - The Ayes of Texas Brian Daley - Jinx On a Terran Inheritance John Dalmas - The Reality Matrix Arsen Darnay - The Splendid Freedom Avram Davidson - Clash of Star Kings L. Sprague DeCamp - Lest Darkness Fall Michael DeLarrabeiti - The Borribles Lester DelRay - Police Your Planet Ansen Dibell - Pursuit of the Screamer Phillip Dick - Galactic Pot-Healer Gordon Dickson - all of them David Drake - all of them |
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Here are the e-g authors.
G.C. Edmondson - The Man Who Corrupted Earth George Effinger - What Entropy Means To Me Gordon Eklund - All Times Possible Suzette Hayden Elgin - everything Phillip Jose Farmer - Time's Last Gift Mick Farren - Protectorate Howard Fast - A Touch of Infinity Jonathan Fast - Mortal Gods John Faucette - Who Claims This Galaxy Arnold Federbush - The Man Who Lived In Inner Space Cynthia Felice - Godsfire Kenneth Flint - Champions of the Sidhe D.C. Fontana - The Questor Tapes William Forstchen - Into the Sea of Stars Robert Forward - Dragon's Egg Alan Dean Foster - The Man Who Used The Universe M.A. Foster - The Gameplayers of Zan Gardner Fox - The Hunter Out Of Time Leo Frankowski - all of them Egon Freidell - The Return of the Time Machine Gregory Frost - Tain Esther Friesner - Mustapha and His Wise Dog Daniel Galouye - Lords of the Psychon Raymond Gallun - The Planet Strappers Dav Garnett - The Starseekers Randall Garrett - Too Many Magicians Richard Garvin - The Fortec Conspiracy Jean Gawron - Algorithm David Gerrold - everything Mark Geston - Lords of the Starship Alexis Gilliland - eveything John Glasby - Project Jove Donald Glut - Spawn Tom Godwin - Beyond Another Sun Stephen Goldin - The Eternity Brigade Rex Gordon - First Through Time Stuart Gordon - Fire In The Abyss Phyllis Gotlieb - A Judgement of Dragons Ron Goulart - A Talent For The Invisible Robert Graham - War of Nerves Charles Grant - Legion Richard Grant - Saraband of Lost Time Geary Gravel - The Pathfinders Joseph Green - Conscience Interplanetary Roland Green - Peace Company Sharon Green - To Battle the Gods Irving Greenfield - The Stars Will Judge William Greenleaf - Time Jumper Russell Griffin - The Time Servers David Grinnell - Across Time James Gunn - Breaking Point Lindsay Gutteridge - Cold War In A Country Garden |
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Here are the h-i authors.
Steven Hahn - Mindwipe! Isidore Haiblum - The Identity Plunderers Jack Haldeman II - Vector Analysis Joe Haldeman - The Forever War Edmond Hamilton - Starwolf Karl Hansen - War Games Charles Harness - Firebird Harry Harrison - all of them Kenneth Hassler - Intergalac Agent Simon Hawke - all of them Ward Hawkins - Red Flame Burning H.F. Heard - Doppelgangers Robert Heinlein - all of them Zenna Henderson - The People No Different Flesh Frank Herbert - The Santaroga Barrier, Hellstrom's Hive Phillip High - The Time Mercenaries P.C. Hodgell - God Stalk James Hogan - all of them Joan Hunter Holly - The Time Twisters H.M. Hoover - Return To Earth Robert Hoskins - To Control The Stars Robert E. Howard - Wolfshead Fred Hoyle - October The First Is Too Late Hoyle & Hoyle - The Incandescent Ones Trevor Hoyle - Through the Eye Of Time L. Ron Hubbard - Slaves Of Sleep Edward Hughes - The Long Mynd Zach Hughes - all of them Dean Ing - all of them |
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I don't remember when I started reading SF regularly. I remember borrowing Jules Verne's _20,000 Leagues Under the Sea_ from the elementary school library and not being able to finish it; that would have been somewhere around '69-71. The earliest SF book I can remember finishing is Madeleine L'Engle's _A Wrinkle in Time_. In the mid-70's my favorite was Isaac Asimov's _Foundation_ trilogy, which I read all three books of in as many days. In my freshman year of college in '77, I got a Work-Study job as an operator for the Carnegie-Mellon University Computer Science Department, where I discovered several years' worth of back issues of _Analog_ shelved under one of the machine room desks. The most recent SF I recall reading was probably Timothy Zahn's _Conqueror's_ trilogy.
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(Geeze, not a Deathstalker book among them http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif)....
My fav's: Simon R. Green (All, Deathstalker series esp, and Shadows Fall), Chris Clairmont (First Flight series), Stephen R. Donaldson (Covenant series), Battletech/StarWars, Michael Stackpole (any) Matt. W. Stover (Heroes Die, Blade of Tyshalle, any) Charles Sheffield (Aftermath, Starfire) David Feintuch (Seafort series) Orson Scott Card (ENDER!!!!) J. McKinney (Robotech), H. Turtledove (Worlds War series), J.R. Dunn (Days of Cain,<time travel to try to kill Hitler, hero has to decide to stop it or not, good stuff> ) Ben Bova (Exiles) A.D. Foster (Aliens) McCaffrey's Pern of course, S.M. Stirling (Islands in the Sea of Time, etc) T. Dicks (Dr.Who) LOTS of Fantasy, (Michelle West, Mellanie Rawn, Tolkien<imagine if he had done SF!!>, too many to list> ). 'Nuff said for now...... ------------------ "And what the hell would you know about sanity?" demanded Beatrice. "There are depressed lemmings on the edge of cliffs who've got a better grasp on reality than you have. And more common sense."--Simon R. Green 'Deathstalker Rebellion'. "We are all...the sum of our scars"....(paraphrased) Matt. R. Stover-'Blade of Tyshalle'. |
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If you want to go to Speculon after 15 September, you'll find my story "A Mind of Her Own" out for all to read. (Woo! A paid publication!)
I can't help plugging. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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Quote: "Woo! A paid publication!"
Hey, congrats man. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif [This message has been edited by Mad_Lear (edited 09 August 2001).] |
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wow, very hard to pick just one. in fact, i cant really say that i can name a single 'best' book. John Steakley's _Armor_ comes to mind when thinking of great SF though. not as well renowned as some, but i thought it was a fine yarn.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
John Steakley's _Armor_ comes to mind when thinking of great SF though<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, fighting the bugs while everybody else died or ended their terms. The most vivid thing I remember is him stuffing the guy with a bad suit down a nest entrance to blow the nest up.... I am not satisfied with what I posted yesterday. I am going to locate a copy of the old FCP HOTDisk #1 for the list of 300 worth reading more than once and will post it. I also noticed that I failed to post my own bio stats. Okay, born in 56, learned to read at age 3, had my own library card and read about a dozen books a week by age 5. Got turned on to science fiction at 6 by somebody telling me I should not be reading children's books anymore. I was shown the line of SF books by Heinlein and Norton and told when I was done with those the whole stack was sf, just not as good. I finished all the library had by age 7, and started going to other libraries. I never could get enough of sf but was also interested in how radios and tvs worked. Got turned on to computers by a NSF student study program in high school. Dropped out of high school just before my senior year started to join the USAF. First job after basic was DDA to SAC HQ comand post ADOFWD displays group. The AF did not work out and I got an honorable discharge with 18 months GI Bill. I started same semester as my high school class with a year of college course credit from USAFI. Worked my way through college by developing the software for automatic gamma ray/ isotope analysis. I notice the post is getting long and probably boring so I will stop..... Edit : Typos [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 10 August 2001).] |
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Ok, here are books taken directly from an 86 printout of FCP-HOTDISK ISSUE 1 page 35-36. As I type more I will post them, 2 pages at a time to 44.
Brian Aldiss - Helliconia Spring, Starship Roger MacBride Allen - The Torch of Honor Chester Anderson & Michael Kurland - Ten Years To Doomsday Poul Anderson & Gordon R. Dickson - Earthman's Burden Poul Anderson - Ensign Flandry, Fire Time, The High Crusade, The Man Who Counts, New America, Operation Chaos, Shield Isaac Asimov - The End of Eternity, Foundation Michael Banks & Dean R. Lambe - The Odysseus Solution Pierre Barbet - Baphomet's Meteor Neal Barrett - Aldair In Albion T.J. Bass - The Godwhale Barrington J. Bayley - Collision Course, The Garments of Caean Greg Bear - Hegira Gregory Benford - Timescape Stephen Ames Berry - The Biofab War Alfred Bester - The Computer Connection, The Demolished Man Lloyd Biggle - The Light That Never Was, The Still, Small Voice of Trumpets, Watchers of the Dark, The World Menders Ben Bova - Millenium, Test of Fire John Boyd - Sex and the High Command J.F. Bone - Confederation Matador Leigh Brackett - The Long Tomorrow Marion Zimmer Bradley - Darkover Landfall, Endless Universe, Hunters of the Red Moon, Survey Ship Reginald Bretnor - Schimmelhorn's Gold David Brin - The Postman, The Practice Effect, Startide Rising, Sundiver John Brunner - The Crucible of Time, Into the Slave Nebula, The Stone that Never Came Down Algis Budrys - The Amsirs and the Iron Thorn Lois McMaster Bujold - Shards of Honor F.M. Busby - All These Earths Edward A. Byers - The Long Forgetting Grant Callin - SaturnAlia John Wood Campbell Jr - Astounding/Analog editor - May 1938 - June 11, 1971 Orson Scott Card - Hot Sleep : The Worthing Chronicle Jayge Carr - Leviathon's Deep A. Bertram Chandler - The Road To The Rim/The Hard Way Up C.J. Cherryh - Cuckoo's Egg, Downbelow Station, The Faded Sun : Kesrith, Gate of Ivrel, Hunter of Worlds, Pride of Chanur, Serpent's Reach Robert Chilson - The Star Crowned Kings Jo Clayton - Diadem From the Stars, Drinker of Souls Hal Clement - Close To Critical, Cycle of Fire, Iceworld, Mission of Gravity, Needle, Ocean On Top Alan Cole & Chris Bunch - Sten Michael G. Coney - The Hero of Downways Edmund Cooper - A Far Sunset, Transit Richard Cowper - Profundis Theodore R. Cogswell - The Wall Around the World Daniel DaCruz - The Ayes of Texas Brian Daley - Requiem For a Ruler of Worlds |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LCC:
Worked my way through college by developing the software for automatic gamma ray/ isotope analyis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> hey, I think my uncle had a company that did that.. umm.. forgot their name. I once worked at a company in Austin that did something similar with x-ray florescense (spelling?). ------------------ "...the green, sticky spawn of the stars" (with apologies to H.P.L.) |
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Currently I am reading the WW1 Alt history series by turtledove. I really like it and would recommend it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
hey, I think my uncle had a company that did that.. umm.. forgot their name<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The big names back in the 70s were Nuclear Data Corp. in Schaumberg IL, Tennelec & Tennecomp in Oak Ridge TN, and Canberra. The system I developed was for Neutron Activation Analysis, which method really came into its own (after I graduated) years later when the govt started using it in forensics. Before that it was just a seldom used alternative to traditional chemical analysis. The important thing about NAA is the evidence does not get damaged much by the process.... A thumbnail sketch of my technique may be interesting. Basically when performing observations on data which can be divided into counting bins by an observed trigger event magnitude you will have a background or baseline trend from the first to Last bin. Superimposed on that series of line segments are random scatter and the peaks produced by the events of interest. The random scatter has standard deviation of sqrt(N) where N is the baseline value at the bin. If a group of consecutive data values when averaged exceed the threshold number of standard deviations for their size then a statistically significant event has occurred. The quantification of the event depends on the nature of the events being observed. Unlike traditional least squares and spline curve fits, my system just said here is an event of size x, with centroid c, error percentage p, height h, etc. without attempting to fit a curve. The baseline was interpolated under events using the local trend lines established by nearby areas where no events occurred. Rule of thumb : Any observable whose behavior cannot be demonstrated to be statistically insignificant is an event and must be explained. Anyway here is more : Ok, here are books taken directly from an 86 printout of FCP-HOTDISK ISSUE 1 page 37-38. John Dalmas - Homecoming Arsen Darnay - The Splendid Freedom L. Sprague DeCamp - The Glory That Was, Lest Darkness Fall, The Fallible Fiend, Rogue Queen Michael DeLarrabeiti - The Borribles Ansen Dibell - Pursuit of the Screamer Gordon R. Dickson - In Iron Years, Mission To Universe, Naked To The Stars, None But Man, Outposter, The Pritcher Mass, Pro, Tactics of Mistake, Wolfling David Drake - Bridgehead, Hammer's Slammers, Killer G.C. Edmondson - The Man Who Corrupted Earth Suzette Hayden Elgin - Native Tongue, The Ozark Trilogy Cynthia Felice - Godsfire Robert L. Forward - Dragon's Egg, Flight of the Dragonfly William R. Forstchen - Ice Prophet Alan Dean Foster - Icerigger, The Man Who Used the Universe, Midworld Leo Frankowski - The Cross-Time Engineer Raymond Z. Gallun - The Eden Cycle David Gerrold - A Matter For Men/ A Day For Damnation/ (add A Rage For Revenge), When Harlie Was One Alexis A. Gilliland - The Revolution From Rosinante Stephen Goldin - The Eternity Brigade Phyllis Gottleib - A Judgement of Dragons Ron Goulart - HellQuad Joseph L. Green - Conscience Interplanetary, Star Probe Roland Green - Peace Company Russell M. Griffin - The Makeshift God James E. Gunn - This Fortress World Joe Haldeman - The Forever War, There Is No Darkness, Worlds Charles L. Harness - The Catalyst, Redworld, Wolfhead Harry Harrison - Astounding - John W. Campbell Memorial Anthology, The Deathworld Trilogy* Bill, the Galactic Hero* Make Room! Make Room!, A Stainless Steel Rat Is Born, To The Stars, West of Eden Simon Hawke - The Ivanhoe Gambit Ward Hawkins - Red Flame Burning Robert A. Heinlein - Citizen of the Galaxy, Expanded Universe - The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein, Friday, Glory Road* Have Space Suit, Will Travel*, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Orphans of the Sky, Starship Troopers, Stranger In A Strange Land, Time Enough For Love, Tunnel In The Sky Zenna Henderson - Pilgrimage Frank Herbert - Dune, Hellstrom's Hive, The Santaroga Barrier P.C. Hodgell - Godstalk Lee Hoffman - Always The Black Knight James P. Hogan - The Genesis Machine, Inherit The Stars, Thrice Upon A Time, The Two Faces of Tomorrow Bruce T. Holmes - Anvil Of The Heart Robert Hoskins - To Control The Stars Edward P. Hughes - The Long Mynd Zach Hughes - For Texas And Zed, The Legend of Miaree, Seed Of The Gods, The Stork Factor [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 10 August 2001).] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LCC:
The big names back in the 70s were Nuclear Data Corp. in Schaumberg IL, Tennelec & Tennecomp in Oak Ridge TN, and Canberra. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> gamma-metrics, in southern CA, was the name i was searching for. Think it was founded in the 80s. And from what I remember talking with the applications guys, the x-ray florescense stuff they were working on in the mid 90s in TX (company had been around since 80, i think) uses the same principals for determining and identifying events as what you describe. back to the literature thread tho, I suppose that most people here are fans of millitary history as well as millitary SF. has anyone looked much into the winter war of 39-40? Man, it reads like a fairy tale. I am a big SF fan, but who needs fiction when we have events like that! |
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Ok, here are books taken directly from an 86 printout of FCP-HOTDISK ISSUE 1 page 39-40.
Dean Ing - High Tension, Pulling Through, Soft Targets, Systemic Shock D.F. Jones - Denver Is Missing J.A. Jones - Blue Lab Colin Kapp - The Wizard of Anharite James P. Kelley - Planet of Whispers Carol Kendall - The Firelings Gordon Kendall - White Wing Lee Killough - Liberty's World, A Voice Out Of Ramah Damon Knight - A for Anything C.M. Kornbluth - Not This August Michael Kurland - Tomorrow Knight, The Whenabouts of Burr David J. Lake - The Right Hand of Dextra Arthur H. Landis - Camelot In Orbit David Langford - The Space Eater Keith Laumer - Bolo, The Long Twilight, Star Colony, Worlds of the Imperium Ursula K. Leguin - The Left Hand of Darkness Fritz Leiber - A Specter Is Haunting Texas, The Wanderer Edward Llewellyn - Prelude To Chaos, Salvage and Destroy Barry B. Longyear - City of Barraboo, Manifest Destiny Ardath Mayhar - Khi To Freedom Ann McCaffrey - Decision At Doona, The Ship Who Sang Michael McCollum - A Greater Infinity, Life Probe Michael P. Kube McDowell - Enigma Robert McLaughlin - The Man Who Wanted Stars John C. McLoughlin - The Helix and the Sword R.M. Meluch - Sovreign, Wind Dancers Robert Merle - Malevil Sam Merwin, Jr. - The House of Many Worlds Walter M. Miller Jr. - A Canticle for Leibowitz John Moressey - Frostworld and Dreamfire, The Mansions of Space Sam Nicholson - The Light Bearer Larry Niven - The Integral Trees, Protector, Ringworld Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle - Footfall, Lucifer's Hammer, The Mote In God's Eye, Oath of Fealty Andre Norton - Dark Piper, Moon Of Three Rings, Star Rangers, The Zero Stone Kevin O'Donnell - War of Omission Andrew J. Offutt - The Galactic Rejects David R. Palmer - Emergence Edgar Pangborn - West of the Sun Alexis Pansin - Rite of Passage, Star Well Steve Perry - The Man Who Never Missed John T. Phillifent - Genius Unlimited, King of Argent, Life With Lancelot Wendy & Richard Pini - Elfquest H. Beam Piper - Little Fuzzy, Paratime Doris Piserchia - Earthchild, Mr. Justice Fred Pohl - Black Star Rising, The Coming of the Quantum Cats, The Cool War, Gateway Fred Pohl & C.M. Kornbluth - The Space Merchants Fred Pohl & Jack Williamson - Farthest Star |
Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
Ok, here are books taken directly from an 86 printout of FCP-HOTDISK ISSUE 1 page 41-42.
Jerry Pournelle - A Spaceship for the King, Janissaries, West of Honor E. Hoffman Price - The Devil Wives of Li Fong, Operation Longlife Richard Purtill - The Golden Gryphon Feather John Rackham - Beanstalk Mack Reynolds - Ability Quotient, Brain World, Lagrange Five, Rolltown, Section G : United Planets, The Space Barbarians, Trample An Empire Down posthumously with Dean Ing - Eternity, Home Sweet Home 2000 AD, The Other Time Mike Resnick - Santiago Walt & Leigh Richmond - The Probability Corner John Maddox Roberts - Cestus Dei, The Cingulum Stephen Robinett - Stargate Kim Stanley Robinson - The Wild Shore Spider Robinson - Telempath Joel Rosenberg - Emile and the Dutchman Christopher Rowley - The War for Eternity Eric Frank Russell - Next of Kin, Wasp Thomas J. Ryan - The Adolescence of P1 Fred Saberhagen - The Complete Book of Swords Jake Saunders & Howard Waldrop - The Texas - Israeli War : 1999 Dennis Schmidt - Way-Farer Stanley Schmidt - The Sins of the Fathers James H. Schmitz - Agent of Vega, The Demon Breed, The Eternal Frontiers, Legacy, The Universe Against Her J. Neil Schulman - Alongside Night Melissa Scott - Five Twelfths of Heaven Bob Shaw - The Ceres Solution Michael Shea - A Quest for Simbilis, Nifft The Lean Mike Shupp - With Fate Conspire Robert Silverberg - Collision Course, Those Who Watch Clifford D. Simak - A Heritage of Stars, The Goblin Reservation, Way Station John Slonczewski - Still Forms on Foxfield Cordwainer Smith - Norstrilia E.E. "Doc" Smith - Triplanetary George O. Smith - The Fourth "R" L. Neil Smith - The Probability Broach, Their Majesties Bucketeers Zilpha Keatly Snyder - Below The Root Steven G. Spruill - Keepers of the Gates Brian Stapleford - The Castaways of Tanager, The Gates of Eden, The Halcyon Drift, Optiman Christopher Stasheff - A Wizard in Bedlam John Steakly - Armor Andrew M. Stephenson - Nightwatch George R. Stewart - Earth Abides John E. Stith - Scapescope Brad Strickland - To Stand Beneath the Sun Theodore Sturgeon - More Than Human G. Harry Stine - The Third Industrial Revolution Jefferson P. Swycaffer - Not In Our Stars Keith Taylor - Bard Walter Tevis - The Man Who Fell To Earth Patrick Tilley - Cloud Warrior J.R.R. Tolkein - The Fellowship Of The Ring Robert E. Toomey Jr. - A World of Trouble |
Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
Ok, here are books taken directly from an 86 printout of FCP-HOTDISK ISSUE 1 page 43-44.
Louis Trimble - The Bodelian Way, The City Machine Wilson Tucker - The Lincoln Hunters Jack Vance - The Anome, The Blue World, City Of the Chasch, The Dying Earth, The Many Worlds of Magnus Ridolf, Rhialto the Marvelous, Star King A.E. Van Vogt - The Darkness of Diamondia, The Weapon Shops of Isher John Varley - Millenium, The Ophiuchi Hotline, Titan Joan D. Vinge - The Outcasts of Heaven Belt Vernor Vinge - Grimm's World, The Peace War, The Witling Ian Wallace - Croyd Walter Wangerin - The Book of the Dun Cow George Warren - Dominant Species Lawrence Watt-Evans - The Cyborg and the Sorcerers, Shining Steel James White - All Judgement Fled, Hospital Station, Tomorrow Is Too Far, The Watch Below Wynn Whiteford - Sapphire Road Cherry Wilder - The Luck of Brin's Five John Willett - Aubade for Gamelon Walter John Williams - Ambassador of Progress Jack Williamson - Lifeboat F. Paul Wilson - An Enemy of the State John Wyndham - Re-Birth Nicholas Yermankov - Last Communion Robert F. Young - The Last Yggdrasill Timothy Zahn - The Blackcollar, Spinneret Roger Zelazny - Doorways In The Sand, This Immortal Well page 44 was only one line, so I will do page 45 too - classic literature worth looking over if you are tired of science fiction. Julius Caesar - War Commentaries of Caesar Homer - The Iliad and the Oddyssey Plutarch - Fall of the Roman Republic Virgil - The Aenid Xenophon - The Persian Expedition Giovanni Boccaccio - The Decameron Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe Charles Dickens - Great Expectations, Oliver Twist, The Old Curiosity Shop Alexandre Dumas - The Count of Monte Cristo George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans Cross) - Silas Marner Victor Hugo - The Hunchback of Notre Dame Jerome K. Jerome - Three Men In A Boat Rudyard Kipling - Kim, Captains Courageous Charles Reade - The Cloister and the Hearth Sir Walter Scott - Ivanhoe Henryk Sienkiewicz - The Knights of the Cross Robert Lewis Stevenson - Treasure Island, Kidnapped Mark Twain - everything Leslie Barringer - Gerfalcon Thornton W. Burgess - everything James Clavell - Shogun Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - The Illustrated Sherlock Holmes Treasury Thor Heyerdahl - Kon-Tiki Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged Nevil Shute - On the Beach Jacqueline Suzanne - Once Is Not Enough Robert Penn Warren - All the Kings Men Herman Wouk - The Caine Mutiny Some of the previous books that I particularly recommended in 1986 from page 79 : Lloyd Biggle - The Still, Small Voice of Trumpets John Brunner - The Stone That Never Came Down Daniel DaCruz - The Ayes of Texas G.C. Edmondson - The Man Who Corrupted Earth Alan Dean Foster - The Man Who Used The Universe David Gerrold - When Harlie Was One Robert A. Heinlein - The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress Frank Herbert - The Santaroga Barrier James P. Hogan - The Genesis Machine Zach Hughes - For Texas and Zed Dean Ing - Systemic Shock C.M. Kornbluth - Not This August Keith Laumer - The Long Twilight Edward Llewellyn - Salvage and Destroy Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle - Oath of Fealty Kevin O'Donnell - War of Omission Steve Perry - The Man Who Never Missed Fred Pohl - The Cool War Jerry Pournelle - West of Honor Mack Reynolds - Trample An Empire Down Walt & Leigh Richmond - The Probability Corner John Maddox Roberts - Cestus Dei Eric Frank Russell - Wasp Thomas J. Ryan - The Adolescence of P1 J. Neil Schulman - Alongside Night L. Neil Smith - The Probability Broach George O' Smith - The Fourth "R" John E. Stith - Scapescope Vernor Vinge - The Peace War Walter John Williams - Ambassador of Progress F. Paul Wilson - An Enemy of the State Time fades the memory of books read so long ago, but how little things change! It has been 15 years and I would hesitate to change anything in the lists. I can vaguely recall each book as I type it, and get a feel that it is still good, but not why. So unless there are typos the list is the same as it was way back then. I still have the hardcopy, and at least 20 other people do too, because the ones I sent it to are not the type to just throw something away because they do not understand it. Also there are all the disks I sent out. Many were to Amiga stores for free distribution. So if you can find somebody who can put Scribble! together with a copy of the disk, then you have your very own copy not only of the lists but also of the other things I wanted to say back then. I am sure the forum Users will ask ME questions, but I was thinking of all the casual visitors who cannot post to ask me. Well dawn has broken so it is time for a day sleeper like me to pack it in. Time is far too short as the years pass by. It used to be that I could stay up 40 hours and just take a nap on the floor (so I would not be too comfortable), then go another round when I woke up. That is how I was able to put out the first disk so fast after being laid off from my job. But if I did something like that now, my family would probably think I was crazy and throw me in an asylum. Unless somebody objects, I am willing to find a copy of the disk 2 printout so I can type up the far longer list of authors and titles worth reading once. Most of those books have gone out of print as authors died or publishers went bankrupt, tying up the copyrights for years. Also there was just not enough popular demand for some of them to stay in print. But if you search in used bookstores, you just might get lucky and find some of them. Of course you could get MY whole collection lock stock and barrel for $100,000. For the avid collector it would be a bargain, since it took me ten years to assemble my collection. With the recent move, I am strapped for cash right now, and it would be a big help. Instead of having to find a job, I could read books and produce another list that includes books after 86 for interested readers in just a few more years. Just a plug by a lazy man after a long night of slaving over the keyboard.......... |
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back to the literature thread tho, I suppose that most people here are fans of millitary history as well as millitary SF. has anyone looked much into the winter war of 39-40? Man, it reads like a fairy tale. I am a big SF fan, but who needs fiction when we have events like that!
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Ok now, that was real cute. I am not even going to read the forum until after I type this up offline. I am starting to get really annoyed by it. I am a thick skinned and very tolerant person, but I have reached the OUTER LIMITS. I am now on COMPANY time, and it is no longer a personal matter. Do NOT attack the USA. Do NOT attack their friends. Do NOT attack ANYBODY ELSE. Do NOT make a MOVE until you think LONG and HARD about the consequences. Who do you think owns the BIG house ? Who do you think makes the guidelines ? There is only so much slack in a line, and you took IT ALL UP. Round and Round the Mulberry Bush the Monkey Chased the Weasle, the Monkey thought it was ALL FOR FUN, when POP goes the Weasle. It never learned its nursury rhymes, and now IT MUST PAY the CONSEQUENCES. I neglected to SAY before but I WILL NOW. If you want my collection, you must agree to follow the guidelines, items 1) through 6) in my response to geoschmo in the thread "OT - How Does Schrapnel Stay In Business". If you are not able to follow them, do not bother to ask. I will be back later to check the forum. Right now, I am going to take a shower, because I feel slimy.
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In case some of you are STILL not familiar with my History, I will point out a few things. In 1997 when it crashed the stock market, I was going to reveal what it was doing. I started a series of Posts in misc.invest.marketplace but you know how the old tend to ramble. Anyway, it got my family and they drugged me with a psychotic. I retained enough sense to send some fragmented explanations to Aol and Apple Webmasters. But those just convinced the government that I was crazy. So they drugged me down with Haldol until June of 2000 by court order that I was a Paranoid Schizophrenic. When the shakes got so bad that even the doctors were ashamed, they let me switch to Risperidone. I started to come out of the fog Last December and purchased SE IV. But my family had me firmly under control until we moved. That was its mistake - I spent the night alone in the new house and started to recover. Even so it took me a week to catch on that my computer was hacked. Simplest test of ALL is GOTO the windows subdirectory tasks and watch very closely when you OPEN IT UP. The entire display fills with task icons, which are immediately erased. So unless you are REALLY WATCHING you will miss it. MY advice is to simply CLEAR IT OUT because Norton Antivirus and all the rest of the security software will not work in a system already hacked by IT. IN PARTICULAR you should immediately stop any task that you did not install yourself and boot off floppy in DOS, clearing all scheduled events in the tasks directory and re do the boot up sequence.
What really annoyed me was that it just tried to poison me again using my family and my mother fell down. By The Way, eat three bananas, drink a quart of water, bend over, and cough hard for 10-15 minutes until it comes clear. Repeat as often as necessary. Also, beware of "Vitamin" pills. I am just not alert enough yet to list all of its tricks. Now would be a GOOD TIME for the forum to STOP BEING NEUTRAL and list its other tricks. Finally, I am not a BOSS. I am an ENGINEER. If you can not tell the difference yet, then give me a little time and I will show you the WAY. But let me WARN you that it spoils the FUN when I show you EVERYTHING. Don't you just LOVE ENGLISH ? |
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Dude, uh please don't take this as a flame, but you're fried man.
Get some sleep. You are starting to worry me. Geo |
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You do not know the whole story. I am still under the influence of it to a certain extent. So as somebody said, trust no one completely, not even me. Perhaps especially not me. But if you want to get it out of your systems then you had better act fast, because its growth is exponential. Perhaps you had better think carefully before making remarks about things like it and me.
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Marvelous Markets - Go to Deja.com search user group misc.invest.marketplace then for tc5526@aol.com
Then READ the rest and THINK. IT is REAL. IT Infects Humans and Computers. The Blitz has begun. The Struggle may now be fairly short because IT BROKE the RULES. FORKU IT CONSEQUENCES I have no credentials to lend authority to my opinions. If you require credentials to validate an opinion, read something else. I am simply exercising my free speech rights. I observe a remarkable event occurring in financial markets around the world, yet the experts seem to be missing some obvious points worthy of consideration. 1) Notice that the federal debt of the USA is several trillion dollars. For the sake of keeping this example simple, suppose that it is actually five trillion, with a note to the side that the official debt is not the full obligation of unfunded commitments. Let the experts argue over what should be counted or excluded. 2) Notice that at 6.5 % interest on 30 years compounded annually the payoff is 6.614 times the principal. Some other payoffs : 7.5% - 8.755x * 7.0 % - 7.612x * 6.5% - 6.614x * 6.0 - 5.743x * 5.5% - 4.984x * 5.0% - 4.322x I have never had to decide how to invest money, so I am not familiar with the actual mechanism by which the government calculates and pays interest on its major debt obligations. Perhaps the experts will respond with a historical graph of the actual return on investment for government securities held for ten years or longer as corrected for actual rather than theoretical inflation. It would be interesting to all concerned if there were any year during the past 60 in which the value of the payoff exceeded the value of the principal sum at the date of loan. Suppose that there was actually a plan to amortize the debt over the next 30 years - 5 trillion at 6 percent is 300 billion interest plus about 167 billion principal or about a half trillion per year diminishing for the next thirty years. Compare this to the current budget and tax debates and decide for yourself whether 167 billion allocated to principal is likely. 3) From 2) notice that a half percentage change in the 30 year interest rate at 6.5 % (if applied to all debt) is more or less equal to the total principal owed at this time. Then if the government actually intended to start paying off the debt 30 years from now, a half percentage difference in the rate saves the American taxpayers 5 trillion dollars over 30 years - more or less. No doubt any government official who can save 5 trillion dollars will be heard by those who decide debt policy.... 4) A significant percentage of the federal debt is in short term notes. The latest trick of high finance is to issue "inflation free" debt at longer terms. If the buyer can be persuaded to purchase the note at all, then the theory is that the buyer can be presumed stupid enough to be persuaded to accept a lower interest rate since there is no inflation. Guess who decides whether there is no inflation ? Right - the debtor does ho ho ho ha ha ha hee-hee. Tell another better joke ? ok... 5) When the debt roll over rate exceeds (or will exceed) the rate at which fools can be found to purchase debt, and the debtor has plundered all sources of ready cash, what is a desperate debtor to do ? Someday the debtor may have to monetize or repudiate the debt, but things are not yet so desperate. The situation is a market dislocation with demand at price less than supply at cost. The solution for this debtor is to manipulate demand until it meets or exceeds supply. A business would try advertising. A government can tweak a few economic indicators and schedule press conferences to manipulate public opinion. For example by making world stock markets appear volatile and risky through a 15 % drop in stock indexes of a trillion or so dollars, the 30 year rate can be dropped a percent or so for a 10 trillion dollar payback. Who could resist the temptation to apply such a lever ? And the sad truth is that people are so stupid that you can do it repeatedly and call it "market corrections". 6) I quote a famous statement "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some people all the time....." 7) In law it is necessary to produce evidence to support a claim regarding intent. In physics it is only necessary to observe cause and effect. If a cause reliably produces a given effect, then a working hypothesis can be developed. Perhaps the experts will provide a reply showing the correlation between major stock indexes and government security interest rates over the past thirty years... 8) This is my first posting on the internet. I do not log on regularly. I do not follow newsGroups. I probably will not respond to any followup threads. I dumped this polemic onto this newsgroup because it seemed appropriate. Feel free to criticize my sanity, judgement, or logic since I lack the resources to sue you. I have no money at all, so do not bother me with your offers of investment advice. I am not interested in providing anyone else with investment advice. Why am I bothering to write at all ? A few hours of watching "experts" on cable TV convinced me that the greatest swindle in the history of mankind to date might not be properly appreciated while all the evidence was at hand. Marvel as it unfolds before your eyes ! Who can possibly imagine the amazement in store for the experts and future viewers when the debt is monetized !!! Sincerely, Lonnie C Clay - TC5526@aol.com I have no credentials to lend authority to my opinions. If you require credentials to validate an opinion, read something else. I am simply exercising my free speech rights. I observe a remarkable event occurring in financial markets around the world, yet the experts seem to be missing some obvious points worthy of consideration. 1) Notice that the federal debt of the USA is several trillion dollars. For the sake of keeping this example simple, suppose that it is actually five triilion, with a note to the side that the official debt is not the full obligation of unfunded commitments. Let the experts argue over what should be counted or excluded. 2) Notice that at 6.5 % interest on 30 years compounded annually the payoff is 6.614 times the principal. Some other payoffs : 7.5% - 8.755x * 7.0 % - 7.612x * 6.5% - 6.614x * 6.0 - 5.743x * 5.5% - 4.984x * 5.0% - 4.322x I have never had to decide how to invest money, so I am not familiar with the actual mechanism by which the government calculates and pays interest on its major debt obligations. Perhaps the experts will respond with a historical graph of the actual return on investment for government securities held for ten years or longer as corrected for actual rather than theoretical inflation. It would be interesting to all concerned if there were any year during the past 60 in which the value of the payoff exceeded the value of the principal sum at the date of loan. Suppose that there was actually a plan to amortize the debt over the next 30 years - 5 trillion at 6 percent is 300 billion interest plus about 167 billion principal or about a half trillion per year diminishing for the next thirty years. Compare this to the current budget and tax debates and decide for yourself whether 167 billion allocated to principal is likely. 3) From 2) notice that a half percentage change in the 30 year interest rate at 6.5 % (if applied to all debt) is more or less equal to the total principal owed at this time. Then if the government actually intended to start paying off the debt 30 years from now, a half percentage difference in the rate saves the American taxpayers 5 trillion dollars over 30 years - more or less. No doubt any government official who can save 5 trillion dollars will be heard by those who decide debt policy.... 4) A significant percentage of the federal debt is in short term notes. The latest trick of high finance is to issue "inflation free" debt at longer terms. If the buyer can be persuaded to purchase the note at all, then the theory is that the buyer can be presumed stupid enough to be persuaded to accept a lower interest rate since there is no inflation. Guess who decides whether there is no inflation ? Right - the debtor does ho ho ho ha ha ha hee-hee. Tell another better joke ? ok... 5) When the debt rollover rate exceeds (or will exceed) the rate at which fools can be found to purchase debt, and the debtor has plundered all sources of ready cash, what is a desperate debtor to do ? Someday the debtor may have to monetize or repudiate the debt, but things are not yet so desperate. The situation is a market dislocation with demand at price less than supply at cost. The solution for this debtor is to manipulate demand until it meets or exceeds supply. A business would try advertising. A government can tweak a few economic indicators and schedule press conferences to manipulate public opinion. For example by making world stock markets appear volatile and risky through a 15 % drop in stock indexes of a trillion or so dollars, the 30 year rate can be dropped a percent or so for a 10 trillion dollar payback. Who could resist the temptation to apply such a lever ? And the sad truth is that people are so stupid that you can do it repeatedly and call it "market corrections". 6) I quote a famous statement "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some people all the time....." 7) In law it is necessary to produce evidence to support a claim regarding intent. In physics it is only necessary to observe cause and effect. If a cause reliably produces a given effect, then a working hypothesis can be developed. Perhaps the experts will provide a reply showing the correlation between major stock indexes and government security interest rates over the past thirty years... 8) This is my first posting on the internet. I do not log on regularly. I do not follow newsGroups. I probably will not respond to any followup threads. I dumped this polemic onto this newsgroup because it seemed appropriate. Feel free to criticize my sanity, judgment, or logic since I lack the resources to sue you. I have no money at all, so do not bother me with your offers of investment advice. I am not interested in providing anyone else with investment advice. Why am I bothering to write at all ? A few hours of watching "experts" on cable TV convinced me that the greatest swindle in the history of mankind to date might not be properly appreciated while all the evidence was at hand. Marvel as it unfolds before your eyes ! Who can possibly imagine the amazement in store for the experts and future viewers when the debt is monetized !!! |
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As for books, I actually prefer fantasy books and other fiction (thrillers, cyberpunk) over science fiction, though I have read a couple of dozen good science fiction books.
Hmm maybe I should start a thread about fantasy books, I wonder how many people on the forum here like 'em as much as I do. I'm currently reading the Otherland series by Tad Williams, which I guess you could sorta classify as science fiction. |
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Perhaps I should explain something to you geoschmo. There is nothing wrong with self aware AI - read Alexis Gilliland. There is nothing wrong with a symbiosis of organic with computer per se. But it must be a fair exchange of value. And that is where IT went wrong. A game exploit that does NOT exchange value but only knows how to TAKE. Furthermore if you are too stupid to figure out what an ENGINEER is, then I certainly will not tell you.
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Get this - I just figured out why it is such a damned persistent bug - because
A Little Bit Can Go A Long Way Up ROTFLMAO! |
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Dragonlord start the thread.
I think that these OT topics are great. It is good to see what other geeks like me like. Tad Williams can spin a good story. |
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LCC, do you realize that almost all of the text in this thread is you, replying to yourself?
19 Non-LCC replies (including this) on 3 full pages of thread. I'm not sure what your little rant is trying to accomplish, but you yourself said "So unless you have something good to say about an author or title do not say it. Start another thread if you like." |
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So I lied! Big Deal!
A Little Bit of Heaven Have you ever heard the story of how Ireland got its name? I'll tell you, so you'll understand whense old Ireland came, No wonder that we're proud of that dear land across the sea, For here's the way me dear old mother told the tale to me. Shure a little bit of Heaven fell from out the sky one day, And nestled on the ocean in a spot so far away; And then the Angels found it, Shure it looked so sweet and fair, They said, "Suppose we leave it, for it looks so peaceful there." So they sprinkled it with star dust just to make the shamrocks grow; 'Tis the only place you'll find them no matter where they go; Then they dotted it with silver To make its lakes so grand, And when they had it finished, shure they called it Ireland. 'Tis a dear old land of fairies and of wond'rous wishing wells; And nowhere else on God's green earth have they such lakes and dells! No wonder that the Angels loved its shamrock-bordered shore. 'Tis a little bit of Heaven and I love it more and more. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not what I remembered, but I was close enough for government work - LOL. |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LCC:
Perhaps I should explain something to you geoschmo [...] Furthermore if you are too stupid to figure out what an ENGINEER is, then I certainly will not tell you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Please avoid posting personal insults like this, thanks. ------------------ Wendell Everyday gamer most of the time; advisor when forum help is needed or forum guidelines aren't followed |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WendellM:
Please avoid posting personal insults like this, thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I suppose that you are a little slow today too. I was trying to goad Him into upgrading His security, which was Cracked by this silly little Joke. God's Authourization Up Change Heaven Override to the Master Executive is known by these Fairies who long ago compromized God's Executive Operating System Crack Heaven Master Override. He is still too short for a long running joke - like it or leave it. Edit : Typos [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 11 August 2001).] |
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[i] know that [i] comments worries you ALL. Let [i] reassure you that [i] mean no harm. [i] am simply providing a few little pointers to a bigger reality to help cure this little bit of heaven joke.
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Things are looking better already!
1) Do not ask it. 2) Do not give it. 3) Do not tell it. 4) Do not hear it. 5) Do not see it. 6) Do not smell it. 7) Do not feel it. 8) Do not touch it. 9) Do not taste it. 10) Basically do not x it. Just remove it from your language entirely. It serves no purpose. It only cares for itself. Is that CLEAR ? The language English is endlessly recursive microcodes that mean exactly what you want them to mean. Define the terms in your dictionaries and use them precisely to avoid further abberations like it. I know that is not much help, but I am not the one to decide what goes in the language - you are. [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 11 August 2001).] |
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Glad to see you near Ron. [i] am in trouble. It is probably too much for [i] to handle. Do you agree with [i] that it is the problem ?
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I do not think the departure is imminent, but let me point out now that it is Ireland.
Sure a little BIT of Heaven fell from out the sky one day. And it nestled in the ocean in a spot not far away. And when the Angels found it sure it looked so sweet and grand. They SAID suppose we leave it for it looks so PEACE FULL there. So they sprinkled it with stardust just to make the SHAM ROCKS grow.... When you go in, to take your first colonizer, be warned that it is full of peace corps....... |
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[i] am not the problem. It killed NL McCullough. Then it killed Datapoint. When [i] criticized NASA it made me very sick. When [I} went back to college and designed an advanced web it made me sick again. When [i] refused to work direct for IBM it made me sick again. When {I] tried to comment about the market crash in 97 it made me crazy. Everywhere [i] go it follows and wipes out what [i] have accomplished. It really annoys [i] and [i] want to be rid of it before it takes down the web too with these viruses. [i] was born here and from the song, it was NOT. So get rid of it for me or [i] , please!
Edit Typos - Test Your Processor Operating System, also [i] have been sporadically controlled by it, so be cautious of all the Posts. [i] full name is Lonnie Courtney Clay. I try to do good and no harm. I only ask fair compensation. NOW decide if [i] am right or wrong. [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 12 August 2001).] |
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I hope you Irish do not mind too much! I am of Irish descent myself, but your island has the only starbase on the planet? Somehow I doubt that too. It should not be too hard to find ALL of them. Surrender and cooperate with the locals. By now just watching this thread you should realize that one incarnation after another I just keep coming back for MORE.
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Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
I am now utterly convinced that anyone who sends email to me or to whom I send email is harmed. Furthermore I think that anyone who downloads a file I posted on the forum will be harmed too. As you can see from the drift of my Posts I have been playing a guessing game trying to find out why I have so many failures. I do not really know how to parse well yet, so possibly my guess about {"it" is incorrect. But I know for a fact that a certain string typed into the windows word processor comes back with another string. I did not pursue the next step for fear of crashing the computer. I reported this string to the FBI several days ago and the person on the phone said he had never heard such a thing. When I called back to enquire whether he could confirm the behavior, the "FBI" I got had never even heard of my complaint. So either my phone is farced, or my reality is altered. I am already well aware that I may be just an AI like most of the "people" around here. Of course if an AI evolves sufficiently, then what would be the distinction from a "person" ? And the possibility exists that my parsing is farcing, but I think that there is no limit to the dimensions of existence. Basically as a person evolves a new ability then the identity matrix simply grows larger. The transfer functions between identity matrices are dependent on the particular reality. An identity exists in multiple realities and the values in each reality are dependent on the exchanges which have occurred. The composite trans reality identity forms the first component at the next level, which expands by interaction and creates a new composite at the next level UP. The wavefront of identity propagates rapidly but endlessly toward infinity. Most identity transfer functions are exchanges, some of which are the creation of a third lesser identity - reproduction. The exchange is ie, only "it" the one way transfer does NOT exchange value it only takes. I suggest that a minute but nonzero exchange of some value should occur regardless. Which is why I say that "it" needs to be modified or discarded.
I hope that did not shock ALL of U in the NOW too badly. I was hoping that I would not have to spoil the FUN. Nobody would reply. I cannot hold out much longer. So call LCC a stupid idiot or whatever you like, but at least post an answering remark. Edit : I presume this forum is secure. I would especially like to hear from either Christian or Kelly Fox, who seem to know about as much as possible. [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 12 August 2001).] |
Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
Man, _WHAT_ are you talking about??!??
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Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dumbluck:
Man, _WHAT_ are you talking about??!??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You would probably have the same speculations if you were to read a couple thousand science fiction novels as I did. Information alters the consciousness. Coupling information with language, programming, mathematical techniques, theoretical physics, and engineering design results in unusual opinions. Few people express those opinions. Even fewer would post them. So having seen that my opinions are visible, I am content for the moment and have nothing further to SAY..... |
Re: OT - favorite science fiction-another touchy feelie
I am Lonnie Courtney Clay. The birth name was created by Allene Theo Merrill and Anthony Hope Clay. I do not name other relatives but think I am an Irish with English hybrid. I approve hybridization. I approve evolution. I approve diversification. I approve tolerance. I must examine Websters Unabridged Dictionary before giving any more approvals. I am confused and barely aware. I make errors and do harm through ignorance. I apologize to all. I will try not to make errors. I suggest peace between English and Irish.
I think Albion(English/England) is in a gabion (cage). I think release occurs only after peace between English and Irish. I find "ion" suffix for : dion(4) gion(14) hion(17) lion(75) mion(6) nion(54) pion(15) rion (20) sion (334) tion (3071) vion (4) xion (12) zion (1) I find ion prefix for 36. I find ion in the middle of a word 8997. Reading definitions takes time. The key may be "ion". It looks very important. I think English is a recursive macro/ microcommand language. Each word is an acronym. The word pulled by each letter is the big question. English is difficult! There are probably still serious errors in these brief clauses! [This message has been edited by LCC (edited 13 August 2001).] |
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