Moving immobile commanders / pretenders
 

Is there a way to move immobile commander units without using the teleport spell? I tried to give a tree lord a flying carpet, and although his movement rating changed from 0 to 1, it didn't work, although the description of the carpet says that it can carry up to 3 giants.

BTW, what's the purpose of treelords anyway if you can't move them? Okay nice, they have nature 4, but I already need a nature 5 mage to even get one, so it's not really that great. Especially if I can get a Naiad.

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Without a spell (Cloud Trapeze I believe also works), immobile commanders are just that; immobile. Treelords could probably use Faery Trod.

I haven't used Treelords much, but they have more or less full slots, correct? Consider a Sibyl in LA Arco. If they have 3N, you can forge a Thistle Mace to get to 4N, and a Moonvine Bracelet to get to 5N. You can then summon a Treelord, give _them_ those items, and have a very high Nature magic to throw some of the global spells, or other items.

This can be used with other types of magic as well.

Small note: AFAIK, Sphinxes can't move at all. Not even with Magic.

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I think the Sphinx can't be moved at all, even with spells. Are there other that can't be moved by teleport?

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Treelords cannot Faery Trod, they could only move using Teleport. If they had Astral. Which they don't. And they have just 2 misc slots. In a similar older thread, K suggests they are prime candidates for Transformation.

They are okay as Vine Ogre summoners.

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Ah, wasn't sure if they had slots or not. They still can use a Moonvine Bracelet (and a Ring of Sorcery, if you needed that).

I believe that they are unique, correct? If you Transform them, does that free up the slot they took?

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Interesting question. Should be tested. IF it's tied to unique ID, then no. If it's tied to the monster ID, then yes.

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Transforming a treelord is what I've been doing in one of my current SP games. A useful byproduct of this is that once transformed the treelord can be summoned again, since transformation seems to break their uniqueness.

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That answered my question, mindlar, thanks.

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That should qualify as a bug, no matter how useful it is.

They are unique. The transformed Treelord is still the same being, just changed.

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transform a water queen, kill it, cast ritual of rebirth, the waterqueen comes back as a niefel jarl mummy, summon another water queen, rinse, repeat.

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Thankee muchly, we have another red flag. You guys keep coming up with more and more exotic exploits and bugs, so up on the list this one goes.

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What does "transform a water queen" mean? Have it cast Transformation?

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Transformation is not the best way to spend gems I guess. Unless you just want a creature that simply moves, not useful one.

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> > transform a water queen, kill it, cast ritual of rebirth, the waterqueen
> > comes back as a niefel jarl mummy, summon another water queen, rinse, repeat.

> What does "transform a water queen" mean? Have it cast Transformation?

He probably meant "Get her into the Hall of fame", or "Summon a Water Queen".
Both are rather tricky in late game. I would much rather have a Water Queen
than a giant mummy, and a chance to get a Water Queen.

Anyway. Why waste 50W and 15D gems for a giant mummy with some water magic?

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I agree... the real exploit with ritual of rebirth is taking a large size unit in the hall of fame, then make it your prophet and use ritual of rebirth after it's been killed. Now you have a giant mummy with 3 Holy plus whatever magic paths... then make the giant mummy your prophet bringing you a 4 Holy plus whatever magic paths. If the mummy dies you can use ritual of rebirth where you can once again make him your prophet for a 5 Holy plus whatever magic paths and so on. It's the only way to achieve a 9 Holy giant mummy without using Wish... and significantly less expensive.

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But that is not a bug. All prophets that have returned from the dead are considered more powerful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

WAD

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Anyway, the prophet may be WAD, and I find it delicious, but is the transforming a unique, then resummoning same unique a bug or is it WAD? As well as the get famous unique killed, Rebirth, resummon a new version?

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Wouldn't the inherent act of transformation no longer make it the creature it was?

By the way, this pleases me greatly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Hmmm...
Can we make a water queen a prophet, then sacrifice it and summon it again. After that we will get a nature H3 priest, which can be proclaimed prophet again?