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This is a MA team game for more or less skilled players. Actually, people of any skill are welcome but if you realize you are a total newbie, better join one of the newbie games which are rather popular here.

The rules are the following:
- Players sign up as teams of two people and the nation pairs will be randomly distributed between these teams.
- If you don't have a teammate, you will be randomly given one from the list of players who also didn't have it.
- Suggested map is Alexander by PashaDawg (see attachment if you haven't got it yet).
- Graphs on, sites 50%, renaming on, HoF 15, everything else standard
- Host is Llamaserver. Please read the FAQ if you don't know how to use it
- Hosting schedule: 24 hours per turn for first 15 turns, 48 hours starting from turn 16.
- Partners are free to share their pair of nations in any way the like.
- Partners may watch turns of each other, may substitute each other if there's a need and may even be subscribed to receive each other's turns (however I'm not sure that it is possible at Llamaserver)

Here are the nation pairs:
Arcoscephale(Ossa) - Oceania(klagrok)
Pythium(Hoplosternum) - Ulm(kasnavada)
Eriu(ddavidd) - Ermor(Solmyr)
Mictlan(Baalz) - Atlantis (Meglobob)
Agartha(karnoza) - Tien Chi(ano)
Abysia(Janlm) - Shinuyama (OoohSnap)
Caelum(Dimaz) - Bandar Log (Kuritza)
Jotunheim(Kheldron) - Pangaea(Sicaire)
Vanheimdanbo) - R'lyeh(Dirol Terminator)
Man(Cor2) - C'tis(WraithLord) - Winner
Machaka(Don Pablo) - Marignon(Veto)

Here's the list of exploits I would not like to see in this game:
- "Cast long-lasting battlefield enchantment and retreat". Please, don't script your mage who casts a battlefield enchantment to leave earlier that round 6 or 5 (for returning)
- "Overfilling enemy lab". Don't send magic items to your enemy to make him lose his own items.
- "Mists of Deception + Wrathful Skies". This one doesn't need description, I think.
- any other severe bugs found in the process of the game

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CBM? I really don't know why any game now would start without CBM.

Oh, and teams are not so equal. And any water nations in team game will just slow down the game.

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I would not like it as I really see no reason why a game would start with it. I like vanilla game as it is.
What imbalance do you see in teams? Of course, they are not so equal but I don't think there's a balance it this game at all.

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Why would you prefer unbalanced vanilla with many useless and overpriced things?

Land-water teams are not good. They cannot really help land partner. OR the other way around. Man-C'tis team is very weak too. Weakest nation of the game + one decent one. You also forgot about the new race coming with patch.

Anyway, if that is not CBM I am not joining. I will have much more free time soon and I will want to take part in team game. But I got to know some MP and how many things are unbalanced in vanilla so I am not touching it. Making exception only for mega-game.

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This seems to be the eternal misunderstanding of CBM. It's not really about balance between nation (though that is not ignored) but about opening up options. People in their right mind should simply not pick things like the Son of the Sun or cast summons like sea dogs in the base game. Making these sorts of things into true viable options is the number one goal of the mod.

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I'd like to play. I would rather play CBM as it does try and balance things a little. It makes certain very weak spells, items and pretenders slightly better and therefore not such obvious things to avoid.

But no problem if you want vanilla.

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If CBM is going to be in play I'd like to sign up, and QM has agreed to team with me.

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I understand that. And I am pretty sure you are right as for the balancing useless things and I appreciate the job you've done on it. However, I don't feel it is right time for me (and not only for me) to start experiencing CBM from the team game.
Zeldor:
I disagree as for Man being the weakest nation and C'tis being decent. Also, I don't think that land-water make a bad alliance. The may be even more able to help each other than land allies who have hostile space between them. OTOH, water-water alliance makes people divide water between them other than expand and fight for it while ally fights for the land. I really don't that water-water alliance has any chance in the team game.
However if we don't have full house then after nations are assigned, we may randomly assign the remaining pairs among those who won't be satisfied with the choice.

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Ok, I understand and respect your choice.

If someone decides to start CBM team game I will join. Or start one myself in 2-3 weeks.

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I support you on the no CMB mod choice Ano.

I have alot of games going right now, and I am losing them all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif But summer is coming up and I will have alot of free time. So I am in. I do not have a team mate.

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Sign me up plz;)

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i would love to join

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Cor2, want to team with me?

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I'm in.

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hey dedas, lets make a team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Sure thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Updated.
I think we'll start when we have about 14-16 players. People seem to be not very interesting in the game. Probably that's because there's megagame starting.

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I will play! Don't have a team-mate yet.

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I wouldn't mind playing in this, but I don't have a teamate lined up. If anyone doesn't mind a weak partener, I would be happy to jump into this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'm interested. Wokeye, you want to team up? We made a pretty good pair in Epotara.

Also, I would like to have CBM in this game. It really goes out of its way to make the heaps of useless units and spells actually somewhat useful.

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I'm definitely against CBM in this game. I want plain vanilla.

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Ironhawk, I would greatly appreciate if you joined but I also definitely don't want CBM. Once again, I have nothing against it but I like vanilla game as it is.

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I see the Just Say No To CB campaign has met great success. Remember, don't cave to peer pressure, just say 'sorry man, I don't do that stuff'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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No) The society is just very conservative - it is a usual thing. A rare man will start seeking risky adventures in other countries if he has got a comfortable armchair and a cup of tea.

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Yeah why no CB? All it does is make more units more usable. How can you be against that?

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I'll team up with Ironhawk, then.

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I'd also like to point out that trying to put a game together with skilled players and then refusing to use CBM is at cross purposes. Already Micah and QM, arguably two of the best players, have already stated they wont play without it.

Are you really dead set against it, ano?

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Yes, I don't want it. And it's not only my opinion.
I already explained my reasons and the only thing I can add is that it is quite another game - not the one many people are used to. To play a new game successfully you need to know its features. Maybe, I would agree to play CBM if it was a usual game, but it's my first team game and I think that having a partner (and possibly unfamiliar race) obviously requires much planning and thinking. And I really would not want to study CBM in the process.

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I fully agree with Ano.

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I'll not be playing, so this is a neutral opinion. I'd say the Jot/Pan team, and especially the Marignon/Caelum teams are too tough and you might want to shuffle the lineup a bit.

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I wouldn't say Jotuns are too powerful in MA and Pangaea needs much micro to be played well, but as for Caelum-Marignon, maybe it's worth switching Caelum and Machaka?

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Jotun is quite average in MA imo

caelum - marignon i considered weak... pythium - ulm however is strong

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I think that Caelum-Bandar and Machaka-Marignon will be better.
As for Pythium-Ulm... Yes, this pair has nice potential but there should be strong and weak pairs. It's almost inevitable, I think.

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of course its inevitable in such a complex game

but considering that there is still diplomacy and a bit luck, i think its quite balanced

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No, I will have to pass on this game then.

I've played enough vanilla games and I'm tired of seeing the same inappropriately priced units being abused OVER and over. Don't want to experience that again.

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Sad to hear this...

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Btw, why don't the developers fix all these "inappropriate prices"? What do they say on this?

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It's been said before, but the devs just aren't interested in devoting much time to balance, as opposed to bug fixing and new content. It's assumed that those who feel there are significant balance issues will use or create balance mods.

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Yes, it is as QM says. We discussed this with them during the beta and they made thier position quite clear.

For all intents and purposes, CBM *is* the balance fix that the devs refused to make. Thats why I dont understand your hesitancy to use it.

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I already explained my reasons. Maybe, I will come to CBM but not now.

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Hello,
I'd like to get in, with Solmyr as team partner

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Actually, I had better not join this game, stupid RL hassles ATM.

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It's rather sad to realize that people just don't like vanilla team games. Or maybe there're too many games running currently?

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My decision to strike my name off the signup list is not to do with the vanilla/CB discussion - just too much Rl stuff came up over the last few days.

You'll get enough, although there are a lot of MP games going...

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This one seems to be unpopular despite it looks to be very interesting. So what should we do? Start is as it is, wait a bit more or just give it up? Or may be someone can be invited?
Any ideas?

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As Ironhawk was saying, making a game for veteran players and leaving out CB doesn't leave you a huge player pool.

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seconded

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I'll play, CBM, no CBM, whatever. No partner lined up.

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if there is still space, i'd like to sign up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif