Aquarium - Started - FIGHT!
 

Sign up here for a 10-15 player MA game

I'm thinking
17 prov/player
15 Hof
graphs on
5 strenght indies
24h / turn, later adjusted to 48, extensions when needed (preferably no longer extentions than 24 hour though)
VP win conditions: VP in each capitol, 50% needed to win

I'll be needing a nice map and if anyone has something somewhere I'd be gratefull for that too.

Once we have a decent number of pplz we'll get llama to set it up and then I'll just start being the moderator and we'll have us some fun.

The cheapest tricks that are not allowed in other games are not allowed here either. (think using target commanders option except for bogus and his gang etc.)

update 6-5

I think we are nearly full
Aezeal - Pythium
Excecutor - Ermor
Evildesirez - Eriu
Karlem -Ryleh
Aethyr -Tien Chi
LDiCesare - Arcocephale
Kuritza - Marignon
Bananadine Shinuyama
sumlost - mictlan
Griefan - bandarlog
Johnarryn - atlantis
Cicidine - C'tis
Ossa - ?
Zenzei - ?
Meister Miagi - Ulm

If the last 3 can give (another) choice then we'll keep it at that unless some one begs me to be in then maybe I'll let a 15th player in.

I still need a map though I think the adjusted parganos (?) map often used on llama is a bit to small for this (especially since I want a bit more than 15 prov/player to have a bit more time before pplz meet/ have to kill)

If anyone can help me with a map I'd be gratefull, I'll be asking around myself too.

Are there anymods we should use.
- I know there is a mod which kills a bug in MY hydra's so we'll use that one at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
For the rest I don't really think much is needed though but it's open for negotiation if it's not to radical.

I would like to start ASAP but certainly not this week (as per request and just because it's not doable) probably late next week.

I need to talk to llama what we do about pretenders etc and I need a map.
The first thing should be done easily so everyone that knows his/her nation can start creating a pretender already.
The map might be the most important factor here though so PLZ look for a nice map (with about 26-30 water provinces for our 2 nations (they don't need 17/player they should move on land anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

The needed mods are now attached to this post

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Well, as I told you I'm in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ryleh for me please.

A random map can be nice, no need to setup nothing incredible, but using RAN_DOM for seting up minimin number of neighbours and distance between capitols is quite interesting:

* 4 land neighbours for land based nations, and 4 sea neighbours for sea based
* 3-4 provinces between capitols

This way turn 0 luck is reduced.

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I'm in--T'ien Ch'i please

Will you be using any mods, or is this a vanilla game?

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I might join, will have to think about my nation choice a bit.

How hard will you set research difficulty?

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ahhh, I'd like to join but I wont have time to play, I have a trip soon, but maybe I could play for a few turns and get a sub. for a couple of turns, I'll work it out, put me in for Ermor if it is still open.

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On second thought I dont want Ermor, I'll take machaka

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Any idea of turn frequency? I suppose it'll be the usual 24hr for early turns then 48?
If it doesn't begin this week, I'd be in with Arco.

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I'll take Marignon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Lets burn!

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I would like to be Shinuyama!

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Im in as mictlan!

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Aezeal,

I'd like to see a 30hr until turn 24 (or so), and then move to 48hr based on majority vote.

Can you give me a sense of timing? When will pretenders be due? Tentative start date of game, etc.? Thanks

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I'd like to join as Niefelheim.

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There's no Niefelheim in MA, "only" Jotunheim (Iron Woods).

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I'd like to join, as Bandar Log.

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I would like to join as Atlantis.

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Ummmm Atlantis.... Hi! I'm Ryleh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif.

I hope there is enough underwater space for two...

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So... when does the game start and when do we start uploading our (by our I mean my) incredible strong immortal
bloodthursty invonerable very powerfull predenders?

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We have to wait until all players are in and then we will have 3-4 days to send the pretenders.

Normally Llamaserver games are 48h first turn (to solve problems) and then 24h quickhost untill everybody thinks that we should change them to 48h (around turn 20-30 normally) and laaaaater on 72h.

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I'm in as Pythium!

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Damn, I seem to have chosen the weakest nation, I thought they'd be interesting to play with, I've never taken them before, but I tested them a little home, and MAN DO THEY SUCK,
I'll take back Ermor if it's not too late...
PLEASE!!!

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Cicadian, sorry I didn't mention it.. but I wanna be pythium myself.. I wanted to be them in the megagame but i was to late.. so I decided to create this to play pythium.

You are welcome to play another nation though.

I'm thinking 24h first turns later 48.. the switch between 24-48 will depend on how we are doing.. I'd rather not see it happen to fast.

I won't do a 30 hour quickhost but I'm always willing to do some extensions if needed.

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Aezeal: Is this game full? If it isn't, I can play. I don't which of the remaining nations I would like to have but I'll take a look at them.

Also, this game definitely needs VP victory condition because noone will have the endurance to fight till the very end in game of this size.

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I'd like to join this game if there's still a slot free. I'll take any nation that's left.

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I won't be joining after all - so I guess that frees up a spot.

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VP meaning provinces that provide points? I'm playing a game with one province that everybody fights over, and I'm pretty tired of it... but presumably there are various ways to do it, other than that.

I would totally play to the end in a straight battle without VP. I mean if I survived that long. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Yeah, im not so huge on the VP's, though I suppose we can use em if alot of other people like em.

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Yes, by VP I meant Victory Points of which you need to control a certain amount in order to win the game.
I have played in games which had multiple VPs on the map and I can say from my experience that VP games are more interesting than normal ones because there's a tangible objective for the game.

If Aezeal decides to go with VPs, I recommend the following setup regarding the amount of VPs:
1) 2x the number of players. Randomly assigned on the map and need to control ~40% of the VPs in order to win.

or

2) One VP in each capital and none in the regular provinces. 40% of the VPs required for the win.

Bananadine: I can certainly see several reasons for a player getting frustrated in game that has only one VP on the map but those reasons are indeed due to game settings rather than VPs in general as a victory condition.

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Id rather not play VPs, if its alright. We can, but it skews gameplay a bit.

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Changed my mind again (cant resist): I'll play as Ulm

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If we start after the new patch, I'll be Ashgod, the new MA nation (I have no idea what it'll be like!).

If not I'll take Ctis.

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I think option number 2 is much better, there will be more wars this way for sure, have you decided on a map, or are we using a random map?
Personally I'd prefer a random map, but as long as you set up a reasonable number of provinces between capitols, and are we using any particular mod?

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sum1lost: In what way do you feel VPs skew the game?

Maybe we should have a general vote regarding the victory condition or lack of it. I vote yes for VPs, if it wasn't clear already. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I also feel as though 40% VP's is a bit low... you can essentially have a couple big players who never even have to fight before one of them wins. Make it like 55% or something.

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Zenzei and Miagi are in, but we should indeed play for VP, but in capitols, I'll go for exactly half of capitols the map. So you need either to be stronger than the rest without needing to take the last single prov if a bastard won't surrender. And if there end up 2 player having nearly half then a long battle will be avoided by just out maneuvering the opponent

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ow and no more water nation though (as if anyone would want too) since i need to get a set number of provinces for the map.

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I think that if you set capitols VP you can see them in the map... So perhaps it's not a very good idea... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Why not just one random VP for each player, and owning 55% means winning?

BTW I vote for Vps too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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capitols will be known soon enough

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Capitals known on first turn means the possibility of a straight rush towards nearest neighbour. Not knowing them for sure can delay a rush by 2 or 3 turns, which makes a huge difference.
Having one VP/player with just more half + 1 needed to win would be fine for me.

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I'll take Caelum as my nation.

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I agree with LDiCesare, it makes rush much more viable and faster. I prefer to discover the capitols through scouts rather than a crown in the map.

For example having a stealthy flying pretender and first turn dominion kill someone without an awake pretender...

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What about Pasha's Alexander map? It has slightly more seas than you are looking for (43), but some of these are "land locked" so it might work. It would be a bit cramped at 17 players, but should work OK with 15.

My second suggestion would be Glory of the Gods (multiplayer).

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I'll take Ulm.

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I'm making a few randoms but glory of the gods is a nice map too and a fea sea provs are seperate so not much of a problem really

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Glory of the gods is ok for me too.

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Can we use the Worty Heroes Mod?

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ok lets just use glory of the gods then, how do I randomly distribute 30 VP on the map and how do I make sure all start provcs have 4 or more neighbours?

worthy heroes is OK with me

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Worthy heroes is ok for me too.

The provinces minimum does not work (as far as I know) with premade maps.

The random 30 VPs are done at game creation. So you just say to Llama the number of VPs and the limit to win (30 and 18 respectively for 55%).

So then we have everything ready, just waiting for two people to select their country and then upload pretenders on llamaserver, isn't it?

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hmm only the thing with the at least 4 neighbours for starting provs is a thing I haven't done before

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Anything works fine for me.