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French OOB Work in Progres
Hi !
I have recently discovered the window version of the Stell Panther series. So i have download it and rush the oob editor to have a look on the french unit and i have found a lot off minor/major errors for units, weapons and formations. For example the Mirage 2000 have no gun (where is the DEFA canon !), RT-F1 mortar excessive range, the FR-F2 is not a 12.7 mm sniper rifle but the classique 7.62mmm (correct name are PGM or HECATE II for the .50 cal sniper rifle), AMX 50 heavy tank never used ... So i have start some modification and certainly informs the community about it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif |
Re: French OOB Work in Progres
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Re: French OOB Work in Progres
Job almost done http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Now just a little problem : don't know how to attach a file http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif |
Mirage 2000
Unit 902 is the Mirage 2000-5 version wich has the 2 DEFA 30 mm internal guns. The 2000C has them too but is not in the OOB. I suppose it's considered an air to air version and anyway you can't put all the version with all the possible loadouts for obvious reasons. The 2000D and N don't have any internal gun but could be equiped with gun pods.
Reference: http://www.vectorsite.net/avmir2k.html |
Re: Mirage 2000
Some sources :
Officials manuals of french army : www.5du1-11rc.fr/mediapool/59/592635/data/INF_206.pdf INF = Infantry 202 Infantry platoon 203 Support platoon 204 AT (Milan) Platoon 206 Infantry recon platoon 207 Snipers 211-15 VAB HOT 212 Infantry Company 223 Combined Operation ABC = Arme Blindée Cavalerie (Tanks, ...) http://www.abc.terre.defense.gouv.fr...php?rubrique22 |
Cas de conscience ! (Case of Conscience :p)
The nightmare is close to the end http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif but i have a little problem with some "exotic" stuff like :
FELIN (almost 30/35 k already fielded) PAPOP (kind of french OICW with 35 mm GL) http://le.cos.free.fr/felin.htm EBRC (replacement for the AMX10RC) PVP (replacement for VBL, P4) Leclerc, VBL and VAB AZUR (Urban warfare kits) http://alsacereserve.jeun.fr/vab-f80/vab-azur-t2163.htm http://alsacereserve.jeun.fr/chars-d...azur-t2158.htm http://www.arma-fr.net/forum/index.p...=167&st=40 |
Re: Cas de conscience ! (Case of Conscience :p)
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The first soldier is wearing an US helmet and a famas that looks like a felin one. |
Re: Cas de conscience ! (Case of Conscience :p)
Totally off-topic - are the French Army allowed to grow beards? |
Re: Cas de conscience ! (Case of Conscience :p)
No, not usually. But this soldier is probably from 1st or 3rd RPIMa
(1st/3rd Marines Paratrooper Regiment), which are considered SOC (Special Operation Capable) and are in the French Army quite allowed to do whatever they want. Including the beard, use of foreign weapons (M4, G36...) and of foreign equipment. Other elite regiment like the REP (Foreign Legion Paratroops) and RIMa (Marines) don't have, as far as I know such allowance. |
Re: Cas de conscience ! (Case of Conscience :p)
FELIN :
22600 for Infantry regiments 2801 for Tank regiments 2480 for Arty 3576 for engineers Total : 31445 ordered. 8th RPiMA (Marine para) 11th RAMA (Marine Arty) Régiment de Marche du Tchad (Marine Mech infantry) are equiped. |
Special Force First \"circle\" or first line units :
For the Special Forces look here :
Official site http://www.forces-speciales.org/armees,defense,armee-francaise,page,cos,mod,france-armee.fr.html in french sorry, so i summarize. 13th RDP (Parachute Dragoon Regiment): Human intelligence,long range recon, high furtivity Equipement : VPS (SAS P4 version), Famas, SIG, HKMP5SD3,Benelli shotgun, high tech transmition, camo, ect Missions : see and report, weapons for self defence only, could operat over or under water, in moutain, snow, jungle, desert, fully autonomous, air dropable (with vehicles). 1st RPiMa (Marine parachute regiment): Deep action (hostage rescue, high value target, ect) really more brutal than the RDP http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Equipment : almost everything you want. VLRA SAS with 4 ANF1 and 1 12.7 or Mk19 GL, Buggy, Quad, Moto (maybe mules or camels if needed :p) FAMAS, HK G3, M4, AK 47 or 74, M203 GL, HK MP6 SD6, Uzi, Milan ATGM, sniper rifles (Ultima ratio, HECATE II, Barett M82 or M95. air dropable like the RDPs Navy Commandos : Sea launched operations. - JAUBERT (assault and close quarter combat) - TREPEL (assault and rescue) - DE PENFENTENYO (support and destruction) - DE MONFORT (reco) - HUBERT (under water, ship attack) Equipment : Zodiac, high speed boat and various weapons CPA n°10, 20 and 30 (Airborne commando): - CPA 10 : search and destroy, reco, intelligence - CPA 20 : air base security - CPA 30 (RESCO): combat rescue for pilots DOS and EHS : Helicopters and aircrafts for special ops (C130, Transal, Puma RESCO, Couggar, Gazelles 20mm, ect) |
Special Force second \"circle\" or secondt line unit
GCP's (Airborne troops): "classical" airborne regiments
1st RCP (Chasseur parachute regiment): - 1st Co airdropable reco company (P4 reco, P4 Milan) - 2nd, 3rd and 4 th airborne infantry Note : the 1st company is airdropable since Algeria war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://www.hemaridron.com/twodescphotos81.html 1st RHP (Hussard parachute regiment) : air delivered tank regiment - 1st,2nd and 4th Sqdn VBL and ERC90 SAGAIE - 3rd Sqdn VBL reco, VBL Milan, VBL 12.7 35e RAP (Artillery parachute regiment): air delivery for the 155mm TR-F1, VABs, Auverland trucks, radars (RATAC, RASIT), air dropable or helo transport for 120 mm mortars 17e RGP (Engineer parachute regiment) : nothing special 2nd REP (Legion parachute regiment) : - 1st Co Urban warfare specialist - 2nd Co Mountain and snow - 3rd Co Amphibian - 4th Co Sniping and sabotage 2nd and 8th RPiMA (Marine parachute regiment): nothing special |
About the beard !
The beard is alowed until it does not reduce effectiveness of special equipment (gaze mask, googles,..). It need to be clean.
Some exemptions : Special forces could wearing beards if it's useful for the mission (infiltrate, disguise) In Muslim's (like Afghanistan)country the beard could be used for better relationship with local people. For the Legion Pioneers of the traditional section (1st REG) it's official since 1844. During assault against defended walls or entrenchment, the death chances was so high that they was alowed to be unshaved prior the assault and could keep the beard as an "combat proven" man. Short beard = rooky Long beard = killing machine (or lucky one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ier-legion.JPG In the modern time this section this used, for the Bastille Day, as an honor escort squad for a high valued or bellowed NCO of the FFL. It's alow him to open the way for the Legion troops. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s-Camerone.jpg |
First try !
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I'm looking for beta tester.
Do not use it with stock scenario involving french troops or you will have somme nasty surprises :p |
Re: First try !
Downloaded it and took a quick look. Haven't played with it yet.
I do have a quick question though. What were you using as your source on the Crabe and LVT elements in the Indochina timeframe? I have multiple sources that suggest the formation changed three times, and at least at quick look none of them exactly match what you have. Just trying to reconcile whether it was a design decision on your part or different information or what. Not to say its necessarily wrong either. |
REC indochina
Check the bottom of this page http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
http://indochine54.free.fr/cefeo/orgs.html#top Groupement Amphibie (1954) of course it's not the definitive version http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. Another source but in french about the FFL tank regiment (REC) in Indochina. http://www.2eme-rep-more-majorum.com...age_crabes.htm 7/7/47 2 Squadrons 9/1/51 3 amphib units 'called sous-groupement and i have no idea about the size) 10/1/51 3 more amphib units 7/22/54 official creation of a amphib "squadron". |
1st REC history (after 1946 of course)
Source : http://legioncavalerie.free.fr/fr/historique.htm
January 47 first step in Indochina with British equipement April 47 start of amphib operations with "Crabes" 1950 first "Alligator" used 1953 the total force of the REC was of 18 squadrons (:o)equiped with Crabs, Alligator, light tanks, armored cars, half tracks and even patrol boats. They're was using French, British, American and Japanese equipement so i take a "short cut" and made it amphib with Crabs and Alligator only (don't need more head hach :p) |
Re: 1st REC history (after 1946 of course)
the first source you mentioned is one I used.
I also a document on Indochina unit organization created by a French contact of mine and this source: http://www.amtrac.org/pdf_files/history/amph10.pdf I'll see about comparing info when I get home. Also, the second picture on the French website, the "Le Crabe" section, is not an M29C. Its a Bren Carrier. |
Re: 1st REC history (after 1946 of course)
No doubt it's a Bren carrier. Oversea's tank regiment was specials. Mainly used as counter insurgencies forces, specific terrain (desert, jungle, mountain or marsh). This "mutation" start with Indochina war when troops use what they found to try to do the job.
Result : they use specific tools for each mission. I could add several kind of unit for the Indochina period but you already have similar unit in the oob (062 Spahi Sqdn or 004 Chasseur Sqdn). A quick copy/past name change http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. I have just made the REC Indochina unit because it was fun, exotic, romantic and a good view on the "scratch built" units mentality in this times http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. |
Re: 1st REC history (after 1946 of course)
Alright, rather than retype this, this is from a file provided by Laurent Touchard, a French contact of mine who's name still might be known around here for his OOB work. I have much respect for his research and information. This was largely what I based my formations off of.
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4.30 am humm looking that later.
Good night/morning or everything you want |
Crab\'s and Alligators
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13 new formations (Crab and LVT unit for Indochina)
n° 377 to 392 4 new units 426 Mortar Crab (60mm M2, no mg) 427 57mm RCL Crab (57 RCL, no mg) 620 and 621 Supplétif (15 mans squad, COIN Infantry) |
New equipement (not still in the game :p)
VAB 12.7 mm (For External Operations)
Replacement of the old M2 HMG "turret" by MNOK 500 Kronberg's remote controlled turret. http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre...ns_exterieures http://www.kongsberg.com/eng/kda/new...t.asp?id=33752 This is the first part of a light vehicle upgrade program (take a look on the SHARK at the end of the post) UAV SIDM (06/03/08 first delivery)operational for end 2008 http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre..._de_la_defense http://www.ixarm.com/Overview,20837 PVP (Replacement for P4 and VBL) Only 30 (so it could be good for 2010 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre...armee_de_terre FELIN System 1089 ordered in marsh 2006 (fielding for september 2009) 5045 ordered in April 2008 (fielding for half 2010) 5k FELIN = aprox 5 Infantry regiments http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre...ur_5_regiments Overview of the toy (non official but in english :p) http://www.defense-update.com/featur...2-07/felin.htm http://www.pes-edition.com/fantassin...SSIN_16/10.pdf SAGEM site (official) http://www.sagem-ds.com/eng/site.php?spage=02020501 VBCI First delivery for July 2008 with a production rate of 100 unit/year start 2009 (it's look a low no ?). Hard kill protection for light armored vehicles (France/Germany) SHARK currently still in testing phase but it's the part 2 of the upgrade program for VAB's and other stuff http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/conte...%201SHARK.pdf* (page 2 in English) |
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