Map Editing question
 

I am pressed for time as I am trying to get a map ready for a game that was to start yesterday. So I apologize in advance if this question has been answered somewhere already. I did not see an answer in the modding manual.

To compensate for 1 starting spot only having 3 neighbors, i wanted to give one of the neighbors a resource boost.

Is there any way to edit the map file to add a resource bonus to a province? Like an iron mine or just a simple command to boost the resources of the province by 50?

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#knownfeature <site nbr>

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Thanks Edi. You are, as usual, a wealth of information, and very patient with us less fortunate slow learners.

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You have probably already located it, but just in case:
252 Great Iron Mine
frq 0, lvl 0, type Earth, res 100

So,
#knownfeature 252

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Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In this case, it's that I was a mapmaker long before I was the DB master, so I learned almost all map commands except the god related ones by heart.

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Since there's already a thread about map editing questions, here's a small one; Are the terrain masks for map-making the same as the ones listed in the DB for locmasks of sites?
(Working on a random map generator for fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

Those are:
1 plains
2 forest
4 mountain
8 waste
16 farm
32 sea
64 coast
128 swamp
256 deep sea
512 cave
In case you don't feel like checking what the DB says.

(And of course, if not, what are they?)


Sadly, all that mapedit.pdf says is "You should use the map editor to set these values is it would be very difficult to do it by hand" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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No, the terrain masks for maps are not the same as the site locmasks.

0 = plains
1 = small province
2 = large province
4 = sea
8 = fresh water
16 = mountain
32 = swamp
64 = waste
128 = forest
256 = farm
512 = nostart
1024 = manysites

That's what I managed to gather on a short notice offhand. I don't have Gandalf's terrainmath text file. That had all the references. You can do a test map where you put all the remaining terrains one to a province and then check the map file. Border mountain was some insane number, deep sea and cave must be 2048 and 4096 and then it starts going into the <magictype>site terrains with border mountain at the very end.

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Thanks Edi!
I don't know why I didn't think of the test map myself :S
Just in case you were wondering, 2048 is indeed deep sea, 4096 is indeed cave, and border mountain is 4194304.
I'm not really sure what happens in between, but I'm guessing it's not really relevant, since my randomizer probably won't use anything beyond 2048 (there won't be caves nor border mountains. At least not in the foreseeable future.)

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The inbetween stuff is firesite, airsite, watersite, earthsite etc etc for all magic types, including holy.

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the 1024 = manysites ... what's the percentage increase?

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SMALL=1
LARGE=2
SEA=4
SOMEWATER=8
MOUNTAIN=16
SWAMP=32
WASTE=64
FOREST=128
FARM=256
NOSTART=512
MANYSITES=1024
DEEP=2048
CAVE=4096
FIRE=8192
AIR=16384
WATER=32768
EARTH=65536
ASTRAL=131072
DEATH=262144
NATURE=524288
BLOOD=1048576
PRIEST=2097152
EDGEMOUNT=4194304

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30. I think the terrain effects on magic site frequency are listed in the site searching threads linked from the Strategy Index.

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Thanks again Edi, and thank you Ballbarian (though for some reason I keep thinking its Ballbrian).

And just so no one gets their hopes up, here's what my maps look like currently http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif (attached)

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That looks suspiciously like the Middle East. Except it's somewhat green. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Looks like you are off to a good start Agrajag. What language are you using?

(I was torn between Ballbarian and Ballbaby, and Ballbarian sounded more manly so I went that route. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

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I am now confused by the masks.

What is the difference between "site location masks" and "terrain masks"?

When I open a map file I see, for example,

"#terrain 331 4194312"

Which category does "4194312" fall into?

I have never typed in that number. Whenever I want to change terrain types I just open the map editor and click away. (I'm a little less fastidious about province colors than most.)

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Hehe, didn't notice it before, but I guess you are right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
That just proves that it can output maps that look realistic http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

C++ with Allegro, on Code::Blocks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Though from a hard-core programming perspective you could argue I'm just using "OOP C" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

It'll probably look a bit better when I'm finished, but I'll get to beautifying it after I'm finished with the province setting stuff and with the border-determining-and-drawing stuff. (Luckily I've already got some algorithms in my head http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

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There are two types of terrain masks. The first one is locmask or terrain mask for sites. This is used in site modding to determine what kind of terrain sites can appear in. The second type is terrain mask for map terrain in map files.

That's 4194304 (border mountain) + 8 (fresh water), which is what you get if you check both border mountain and fresh water checkboxes for the same province. Province terrain masks are always a sum of the terrain masks of all terrains contained therein.

Which is precisely the way to do it if you want to avoid headaches. The specialsite terrains need to be added manually, though.

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It is patently obvious that I've never used the site mask codes. I have only used #feature and #knownfeature.

You are going to have to walk me through this.

Air and water site codes (from previous post in this thread) are 16384 and 32768 respectively, for a total of 49152.

Using my example province, "#terrain 331 4194312", how would I put random air and water sites there? I see three possibilities:

1. Add the two values up - "#terrain 331 4194312" goes to #terrain 331 4243464 (4194312 + 49152)

2. Both are separate line entries -
#terrain 331 4194312
#terrain 331 49152

3. There is a separate code for masks and used as a separate entry:
i.e. (as a WAG) #terrainmask 331 49152

Personally, I am thinking choice #3.

However, either way, I now am sure that this old dog won't be learning this trick.

Thanks for your help Edi.

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The specialsite terrain masks just mean that in random site determination sites of those paths are favored.

#1 is the way it works. Final terrain mask is the sum of all applicable individual masks.

Assigning sites by #feature and #knownfeature lock that site in stone, i.e. it's always there. The special terrain masks affect the probabilities of available random sites, so you are more likely but not guaranteed to get something.

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Thanks Edi.

I could see a use for using both codes, if I ever get much better at making custom maps.

But all I do is adapt either existing or random generated maps. I like magic so I always set sites to 100 and I like to put the rare sites on the map, just to see what they do.