Darwin\'s Zorro: The Battle For Antilarium-started
 

Welcome to the 2nd game of the Zorro series, the Darwin's Zorro. Typifying the game will be hard research and VPs. Additionally, CBM will be active. We will be playing on the very fine Antilarium map, designed to be balanced and specifically for VPs.

Please see the attachment at the top of this post for the Antilarium map. For further info on this map, see this thread and this web page. The map contains some special sites, but to my understanding, it is also made to be balanced and should be good for MP; even if possessing some characteristics beyond typical maps.

Map: Antilarium
Era: Early Age
Players: 12 (3 Water required)
Indies: 5
Special Sites: 55
Money/Resource/Supply: Standard
Score Graphs: On
Research: Difficult
Victory: VPs (The Antilarium map has predetermined VP placement and victory conditions. Basically, there are 16 sites, two of them underwater; the two underwater sites being worth two points rather than one. Victory occurs when a player controls 8 VPs out of the 18 possible.)
Mods: CBM + Worthy Heroes; Twan's MoD mod

Hosting: Llamaserver. 24 hours for first 20; 48 hours until people want 72. All delay requests will be honored, but you must PM or post the admin. Two stales in a row and AI.

battlefield enchantments + retreat exploit is considered cheating.

Omni.................Kailasa
konming............Hinnom
Jazzepi.............TNO
Ossa.................<font color="blue">R'yleh</font>
namad...............Niefelhiem
anticipatient.......Sauromatia
Dragar...............Fomoria
CyborgMoses...TC
majuva68...........Helheim
Juffos.................Mictlan
Peltin..................<font color="blue">Atlantis</font>
Megablob...........<font color="blue">Oceana</font>

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

You should use Twan's mod to remove MoD and replace it with a regular spell.

I'd like a spot, not sure on what to play yet, though.

Jazzepi

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

I want to try out the infamous Hinnom.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

I'll try Tir na n'Og

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

I'd like to take Ryleth

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

i'm new, if that's okay i'll play.

what does CBM stand for?

dang the three nations i most wanted to try you've taken what a coincidence!

i'll play niefeheim

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

Well, since I'm getting totally crushed in two games and soon to be out of both, I would like the Argathans.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - signups
 

Fomoria please

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

I'd like to sign up as T'ien Ch'i, if there are no objections.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

Helheim for me, please

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

Mictlan for me, if you please.

Oh, and what version of CBM?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

Since you need a few more water nations, How about Atlantean for me.

Thanks.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium - sig
 

I will take the last water nation, Oceania.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

looks like we are at capacity.

I sent a PM to llama asking him if we could use his server. If he OKs it and then as soon as he is able to set up the game for us, we can start uploading.

CBM just got an update yesterday, so I've included it as an attachment on this post.

and for namad, who asked, CBM is Conceptual Balance Mod; its a mod that makes some changes to the game in an effort to make more strategical options available.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

and for completeness, here's the most recent Worthy Heroes too.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Just a note, CB includes worthy heroes.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

i've been trying to study this map so i'm not in the dark... the 12starting locations and 16VP seem to be in fixed locations correct?

those 55magical sites are those in fixed locations or in random ones? i don't really know enough about the map editor to check i did notice a few places were set to "many sites" but that doesn't seem to be a specific site....

oh and when it's time to start i assume you'll be posting that in this thread? correct?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

55 is the frequency for magic site to appear, not the total number of sites.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

as soon as llama lets me know the server is ready, i will post. in all likely hood, llama will post here himself, he's pretty good like that.

the 12 starting sites and 16VP sites are all in set locations, and can all be seen by starting an SP game with 12 players, 3 of them water, all set to human.

the 'magic sites: 55' is a general indicator of how common magic sites will be in any given square; i'm not sure exactly what the 55 refers to, but higher means more magic. Typical for Early Age is 45, but generally people like more sites, and it doesn't really benefit anyone nation more than another, so I bumped it up to 55.

I believe the VP provinces contain fixed location sites that would be in place no matter what the general site setting. Additionally, to my understanding, the sites bordering the VP provinces are set to 'many sites' in the map editor.

Lastly, Jazzepi suggested removing MoD from the game. It is easily exploitable, and many find it a cheap-*** spell at any rate. I'm open to suggestion on this one, but I was thinking we just leave it in the game, and simply ban any MoD + retreat exploitation. It's Ench8 and A6, we have hard research on, making it pretty hard to get to without forgoing other necessary stuff, and you really have to invest in a mage or have a pretender to make it castable. I think if someone gets to the spell and wants to use it, they should be able to as long as they don't exploit it. Opinions?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Ominirizon, there's a mod that takes out the bad version of MoD and replaces it with an interesting one that doesn't suffer from the same problem as the original. Twan made it, and I've used it before.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...o=&amp;fpart=1

Jazzepi

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

My mistake, apperantly if more than 4 sites are given. Four random ones are chosen from them.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

As noted above.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

alright, Jazzepi, that sounds like a good idear; let's do it. I've PM'd llama and asked him to include that MoD. Everyone be sure to download it.

Also, make sure you have the latest version of CBM (CBM 1.3). And make sure you have it turned on when you make your pretenders.

I think llama has the game set up for us. Be sure to send them to his server with "DarwinsZorro" in your subject line (no qoutes). I think there is a special address for pretenders to his server. See his FAQ for more info. Let's try and get off the ground in 48 hours.

llamaserer FAQ

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

PM me if someone drops out. I'd like to take part in the new zorro http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

So, where does the Darwin's Zorro live?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

S. America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin's_Fox

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

almost there folks.

everybody be sure they created pretenders with CBM 1.3 enabled; otherwise we get that cheating message and have to restart.

also, make sure you have all the mods we are using: CBM 1.3 + Worthy Heroes, and Twan's MoD mod. links to all of these should be in this thread somewhere.

let's have a good game, i'm looking forward to it, this map looks fun.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

I'll be uploading later today.

Have a final today D:

Jazzepi

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Thanks for the reminder, while I had the mods downloaded, I did not 'activate' them.
I resent my Pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

QM specifically said in IRC that CBM1.3 includes worthy heroes...? so do we need to enable both?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

it may be that the complete CBM package contains the mod, but enabling CBM isn't enabling worthy heroes; so that you do have to enable it seperately.

i don't really know though, just enable it to be safe, I say. actually though, i don't think it matters when you make your pretender. and i think the game file will have it enabled, and it will turn on automatically when you open the game. so in the end it probably is all moot. but enable it anyway.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

all we need now is argatha to upload and this game is going. let's go let's go HOO RAAH!!!

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

I'm sorry, I will have to bow out of this game. I've got some personal troubles that are hindering any more new games for me. again I'm sorry... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Eh, don't worry about it. Stuff happens. I hope that your personal troubles work out.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

so do we have an alternate lined up? from my understanding this map has fixed start locations and so requires exactly 12players? if there isn't an alternate lined up we should post asking for one? or is this map playable with 11?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

actually, we had someone ask about that. it was anticipatient i believe. I'll PM him.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

I'll play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Thats great, I was afraid that I messed you guys up. Thanks anticipatient... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif The owners of my rental decided to remodel my house... Tenting and new roof, carpets, ect... I got to move out for two months... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif the good news is they like me so no rent increase and I get to move back. But I hate moving with such a passion I may find something else.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

You hate moving with such a passion that you might move? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I sent in a sauromatia pretender. Actually, I sent in two. You should list me for sauro for others players' reference.

Ah. The game is set to start at 12, I assume, so the first turn should be coming out soon, right?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Okay, I have this game all set up to start, and will do as soon as Omni PMs me to confirm it's good to go.

Incidentally this looks like a really fun game. I've never even seen that Antilarium map before! And it looks really nice. Along with CBM and the VPs, it should be very interesting indeed. Wish I'd had time to join.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Yes, thats why I joined, the map looks very, very interesting with many unusual features. With CBM in the mix, which I have only played once with in MP (did very badly, dead before turn 20), should be a very refreshing game for me.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Looking at this map, especially considering the number of provinces, I am really hoping that I built a scales-positive pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

What's going on with this game?

Jazzepi

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Waiting for Omnirizon (see look I got his name right first time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif), to send llamabeast a pm asking him to start the game.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Wierd, this game has dissappeared off Llamaerver. Something wrong?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

hey folks, i sent llama the PM yesterday morning. this morning he sent me the PW and said game is started. but the game seems to be gone?

I've PM'd llama again. i guess something got goofed up.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

AndeanZorro just sent out a turn named turn 1 . . .

I am guessing what happened is that he somehow confused Andean Zorro and Darwin's Zorro?

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

What kind of a fool would confuse Zorros like that?

I've just restarted again, hopefully all will be well now.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

I take it back. Just got the first turn in my email.

Re: Darwin: EA/CBM/VP/hard resrch/Antilarium
 

Oh good job Llama:)

BTW, Foxes are very confusing. It's what makes them Foxes.

I wouldn't blame you if you confused Foxes. In fact, I'd applaud you. It's time someone turned the tables on those little buggers!