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NTJedi July 29th, 2008 05:38 AM

Petrify Misses ?
 

Well to make a long story short my pretender has lots of horror marks from an SP game where I've super beefed up the AI opponents. AI opponents have units which cause horrormarks when struck.

Anyways sure enough eater of the gods shows up. My pretender is a wight having previously died from a murdering winter. Anyways luckily he had ritual of returning otherwise he'd be dead because Petrify did not kill or paralyze the eater of gods. Watching the battle over and over it's clear the spell did nothing.

QUESTION
Any thoughts why Eater of Gods(horror) escaped Petrify without even being paralyzed?

Renojustin July 29th, 2008 05:51 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Could have been Blood Vengeance, though that seems unlikely with the MR of a pretender. Or maybe that just applies to damage. Probably just damage.

Could Petrify be a mundane attack, mitigated by ethereality? There are other spells like that, like Bone Grinding.

NTJedi July 29th, 2008 06:03 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 

The creature being ethereal seems like the closest logical explanation... unless a MG resist test is also done against the side effect of paralyzation.

Kristoffer O July 29th, 2008 06:09 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
He has three lives you know.

Also he is truly ethereal. It might protect from spells as well.

Renojustin July 29th, 2008 06:11 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
I love when KO comes in and says something like that. It might help, this might happen, who knows?!

NTJedi July 29th, 2008 06:13 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Watching the battle again shows unit 1148 only has regular ethereal.

At the start of battle eater of gods shows as unit 1148... and at the very end of battle he's still unit 1148. So it doesn't appear to have killed any of his forms.

Renojustin July 29th, 2008 06:14 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Pretty sure True Ethereal is a hidden tag?

NTJedi July 29th, 2008 06:16 AM

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Quote:

Renojustin said:
Pretty sure True Ethereal is a hidden tag?

Actually it's not a hidden tag, unit 1149 and 1150 show the truly ethereal tag. The unit 1148, which is the first form, only has regular ethereal.

Renojustin July 29th, 2008 06:17 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Going to guess that Petrify is a mundane attack then.

Kristoffer O July 29th, 2008 06:20 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Or it might be impossible to petrify ethereals. THey are kind of squishy and intangible.

Renojustin July 29th, 2008 06:21 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Then it would kind of suck for the Gorgon to be attacked by warriors from the Ether Gate.

Then again, Gorgon or The Aegis Petrify isn't the same as the spell, we know, because it doesn't paralyze anyone... it might be missing a tag that the spell has, who knows.

NTJedi July 29th, 2008 06:22 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Quote:

Kristoffer O said:
Or it might be impossible to petrify ethereals. THey are kind of squishy and intangible.

Sounds right... that's the direction I'm leaning.

Kristoffer O July 29th, 2008 06:22 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Interesting.

DigitalSin July 29th, 2008 09:39 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Haha, you have to love a game where the devs are as interested in certain occurances in game as the players.

reverend July 29th, 2008 09:45 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
As someone who has to maintain year old, non-documented legacy code, I can tell you that THAT isn't as uncommon as one might hope.

Developers guessing the exact meaning of a few lines of code or finding that an obvious bugfix has sideeffect in completely unrelated code literally miles away. However, Illwinter still have the code and they're the ones that wrote it. But just today I looked through and cleaned up code I wrote last year - on more than one occasion I thought 'WTH was I thinking?'. And that was neat C# code with lots of commentaries...

Xietor July 29th, 2008 10:08 AM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Everything misses.

Even spells that are 100 percent precision. Yes it is rare, but i have cast soul slay and killed my own troops with it before.

Micah July 29th, 2008 12:54 PM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Petrify = 7AN paralyze damage. -6 for the size of the enemy (he is size 6, right?) so there's quite a good chance his roll just beat your roll +1. (and the net is also divided by 2, so if it rounds down it would just be a straight roll-off)

NTJedi July 29th, 2008 03:42 PM

Re: Petrify Misses ?
 
Quote:

Micah said:
Petrify = 7AN paralyze damage. -6 for the size of the enemy (he is size 6, right?) so there's quite a good chance his roll just beat your roll +1. (and the net is also divided by 2, so if it rounds down it would just be a straight roll-off)

good information... I didn't know the size would reduce the paralyze effect.


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