How often does an awakened god win?
 

A poll of sorts.

I'm just wondering how frequently an awakened god wins over a sleeping or imprisoned god. Often I wonder if the vast amount of people swearing by it actually win or are just impressed with their survival into late game.

I suppose I'm just looking for testimony from players who have seen it work. With the exception of one entry, the Hall of Fame doesn't provide any of this information. I feel it's important for me to know if I ever plan on making another guide.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

Hmm... As stated, this won't really help assess their viability, because the data you get will be entangled with their popularity.

If you had comprehensive data on how many awake/sleeping/imprisoned gods started each game, and what type of god won (if any), over a large number of games, then you'd be able to say something about the effectiveness of awake gods.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

Indeed, that would be the ideal data set to make my assessment from. However, I'm currently at a loss on how to obtain that information. I suppose I could start collecting data from games currently in play. That of course means I won't have an answer to the question until about half a year has gone by. It also assumes people would cooperate with me on the data collection.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

I don't think this is a problem. After a year passed you may freely ask any question and if someone doesn't want to answer in the game thread, he may PM you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

My awake god was crushed quickly. A Wyrm, Dominion 5,Luck 1, w/ Lev 3 Astral and Water magic.

An enemy army was operating close to my Keep, I sent the Wyrm out with availible forces to intercept the enemy.
It never made it back.

Win? No

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

Mmh personally, I wouldn't send out an awakened Wyrm with less than Dom10... that Awe synergizes well with the Fear aura, going without it seems taking big risks to me - even if I'm still a SP player now so I don't need great minmaxing.

IMHO, I think an awaken pretender can give you some nice advantage for the early expansion rate. But it is necessary (and fair difficult) to put this advantage in very good use to overcome the better scales, blesses, and late game diversity/high paths that the imprisoned have chosen.
Moreover, not many gods can go out on turn 2/3 and start taking provinces by themselves - even some of them, very good at fighting, need some gear, dunno many of the Titans come to mind, so it seems a far better idea for them just to go dormant and try to have some good construction and self-buffs researched for the end of year 1.

Ok, I said a bunch of obvious things. ^_^

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

A wyrm without at least dom 9 is terrible =(

I've come to the conclusion that Air 2 is amazing on the wurm and cyclops pretender in combination with awe 9-10 (I've not seen a big difference between the two).

With air 2 you get (hold your breath)

Air shield (right away, zero research!), mist form, cloud trapeeze, flight, and resist lightning

Basically the air shield ensures that the cyclops will never get killed by a butt-ton of crossbowmen, and it helps the wyrm against any type of javelins or archers since the wyrm fairs far worse against regular archers than the cyclops.

Jazzepi

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

A lot of nations need an awake god not to win, but just to have the chance to compete. This necessity may throw off the correlation between "awake god" and "victory".

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

I have won or joint won 4MP's, 2 Awake, 2 Sleeping and 0 Imprisioned.

La Ermor/awake.
Ma Man/awake.
La Caelum/sleeping.
La Agartha/sleeping.

I have had alot of games where I have done well with a awake/sleeping god and have never been knocked out in the early game.

I have played imprisioned gods alot too, usually for the bless but not done as well in the endgame. This may be more to bless nations running out of steam, being ganged or other reasons thou. Been knocked out 2-3 times before turn 30, when I have had a imprisioned god.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

I think LA Ermor stats should be thrown right out though - not really statistically relevant, since the nation is designed to require an Awake pretender, and has such a built in predisposition towards victory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

(For THIS sort of analysis, not saying you shouldn't be in HoF. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif)

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

Awake pretender gets you off to a fast start-that is it. An imprisoned pretender and blessed troops also get you off to a fast start.

On a 300 province map, I think diplomacy is just as important early on as rapid expansion. In fact, too rapid expansion in a mp game could lead to a fast exit as you are a candidate for the dog pile.

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Yea, I agree totally. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

It was before the Ermor population nerf as well. It was the sickest, most powerful nation I have played in Dom3.

Agree totally with this as well!

Been dog piled so many times playing a bless nation I have lost count and all because I had the cheek to grab 20%+ of the surface land area! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Funny thing is they would have (usually) been better dog piling the quiet guy with long term NAP's, researching, forging clams, fever fetishes and/or blood stones. As well as summoning every SC chassis available and/or developing master enslave/wish/arcane nexus etc... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

All 4 MP games I managed to win (or was declared winner - long story) were with awake pretenders. 2 PoD's with MA C'tis and Arga Dis, 1 Wyrm with LA R'lyeh, and a rainbow enchantress with minor F/W bless for Helheim.

Of course, I don't know how statistically relevant this is as I have very, very rarely played games with a heavy bless yet, (9/8 and 9/6/4 each on one occasion) so one of the main reasons for imprisoned gods went right out of the window.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

I think that an awakened god will win often for some people, and rarely for others. Its like many things in this game. You have to go with whatever nation, god, strategy, etc that fits your style of play. Dont strain too hard to push yourself into another mold.

Some people play their god as a Super Combatant and do it very well. Others do better putting the points into scales and dominion. Others into more magic. Obviously its possible to win with any of those. Its no use worrying about why it doesnt work for you. Find what does work for you and use it. But if something doesnt work for you, Id advise you to not write it off completely. You can get caught off guard by that when someone else can make it work for their style of play.

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

Have my babies Gandalf? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Oh, and when is the 10,000 post party? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I don't want to show up late, as usual. >.>

Re: How often does an awakened god win?
 

In my 5 mp wins i used

3 awake pretenders - 2 cyclops with LA marignon and 1 Lich Queen with LA ermor
2 imprissoned - 1 Lich Queen with MA ermor and 1 Arch Mage with EA helheim (heavy bless)

Somehow i rarly use sleeping pretenders even with the good point efficiency. Maybe because i like the awe SC pretenders early in the game and otherwise i like it to have some more points for better scales/bless. But i think its really good balanced and i'm sure i'll use sleeping pretenders next time.