Georgian OOB?
 

As most of you know, there's war-like situation in Ossetia (northern part of Georgia) right now. So, does anyone going to make Georgian (why not Ossetian too) oob for MBT? If I don't remember wrong, Georgia have "older" tanks as (T-72, T-55) Russia have for example... Does Ossetia have any tanks etc. equipment?

edit:How about using Red oob (at least for Georgia)?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

BINGO, thats what Red is for.

Seems like a waste of time to make a Georgia OOB, when you can just pick the units you want from the Red one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Without looking too much into actual inventories, I'd say you can use the Red OOB to simulate most former Soviet republics, with captured units from Russia and Ukraine for the high-end equipment that may not be in Red.
Re. Ossetia forces, you can assume a guerilla-type force with Russian material (e.g. captured Chechen units) and allied Russian (actual OOB011) units.

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Ok, if I choose Red for Georgia, what kind of equipment I should choose (expect those tanks)? And oob should present Ossetia? Russia? Red;)? How I get AI to choose only "guerilla" units (not tanks)?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

I would say at least at this point it would be safe to just run the scenario against the Russians. The Ossetians have about as much of a military as Abkhazia and its all pretty much donated Russian hardware. Now that the Russians are on the ground, it probably makes more sense just to run a Red v Russia scenario or vice versa.

And Skirmisher, why don't you stick to making useful posts? We all know what "Red is for." Warhero asked about its suitability to the current scenario, which PK actually spoke to. If people are looking for more, why should they have to make do with not only less, but your opinions on how much of a "waste" it is as well?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

This is a game,not a realistic march through history.

My opinions can be ignored, and probably are ignored for the most part. I suggest you learn to ignore them too, if you find them unpleasant. Are you the grand PooBah or something here?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Just do the best you can,using whatever information you can find about it.

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

I think the point was maybe a hope someone may have such an OOB or infomation to that effect up their selve. Some people do follow such things.


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Re: Georgian OOB?
 

That was a great movie. OK point taken, I'll shut up now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Georgia

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

One of my all time favs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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What doesn't Wiki not cover!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Using the Red OOB as a Russian opponent should be OK for this - as that is what it was designed for. See Game Guide, Historical design Notes linky, paragraph 2 beginning "The RED OOB, prior to the break-up of the USSR..".

You should get "Former USSR" as the locations, which will do fine for this purpose.

As to what to do to make it choose "your" type of troops, if the AI pick is not what you like, and/or troops types differ too much from any intel you have.

1) Make a sub directory to the OOB folder, call it "\Georgia" perhaps, and copy the existing Red OOB there as a holder (for now).

2) Edit the Red troop types to what you think they should be, in the Red OOB you have just copied from. e.g. - if you think the Georgians should only have T5XX then eliminate any unneeded other ones. You could also play around with formation moving, as usual in OOB hacking. Don't play with the AI pick list files, unless you want to do this in a completely separate install of the game as it will mess with the normal Red one, should you swap it back!.

3) Once happy with the results, copy to your sub-folder and overwrite the place holder. You can now use the OOB Swapper to change between your custom Georgian Red OOB, and the normal default Red which is in the backup OOB folder, as needed. (But not if you played with the AI pick list files, which is why you should make a completely separate game install for any hack that hacks those).

Cheers
Andy

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Thanks about tips Mobhack. If I only find better info about Georgian army structure somewhere (tank/inf/air force)... Have anyone better info/url which has it?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Btw, why tank company in Red oob includes only 2 mbt's and 9 light tanks? And tank platoon has only light tanks (PT-76, BRM-1 and 2) but no mbt's (T-72 etc.) at all...

Bug or made by purpose?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

The ones in my Red OOB have MBT - but an obvious error, in that there are 2 at company HQ.

Check your version number - mine is "East Europe & Central Asia Version April/2008(C)2008 Camo Workshop" - AFAIR that was the latest one released to the public.

Cheers
Andy

Do you mean game version number or what? I have latest version 4.0 installed.

For those who are interested in Georgian equipment:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum...pic.php?t=1070

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=139586

What else tanks/apc/etc. they have?

Georgia RED Orbat file
 

This is a quick Georgian RED OOB. Put it in a sub-folder of the orbats called \Georgia or whatever, and use the OOB swapper utility to change with RED backup when required. It does not change the AI pick list - just uses one "AI only" formation for the light mech company with pick-up trucks or Otokar Cobras.

It's based on info gleaned from Tanknet forums. If there is anything you disagree with, feel free to use the thing as a basis for your own edits, as that one will not be maintained - it's not "official".

Tanknet forums are here: http://63.99.108.76/forums/index.php?showforum=29

Notes:
T72 SIM-1 is a version sourced from Ukraine apparently. Its main change is that it has TI. A rarer AI pick than the standard T72. Seems to be about 1/4 of the G T72 fleet. All T72 are later models, with the 98 model gun. Added a KMT model to the engineer tanks, and a BMR engineer vehicle too. Georgian Army is a T72 based one, but some T55 later variants will appear. Added a CS tank type for those who need more HE.

What used to be REDs militia are now titled "National Guards" which seems to be the name for the Georgian territorials. The reserve infantry are less well trained, and are not used by the AI. Use for emergency new conscripts etc.

SP Arty seems mainly 152mm based - no evidence of SAU-122. G has bought DANAs and RM-70 MRL. Some off map batteries based on these are provided. I remained with the 4 piece arty battery organisation that the RED orbat uses as I cannot confirm if G uses 6 piece btys. The arty formation with "1 only" means just that - buy it and you have bought all the msta SPA G has - 3 pieces :). G has 57mm AAA, 18 pieces, so added as well. G has bought GROM MANPADS from Poland as well.

G has bought a fair few Otakar Cobras. These seem to be used as APC as well as for scouting. Added a motor rifle coy type with these as the base (smaller section size), and also as I have seen a fair few utes seemingly used in the APC role, these have been added as a possibility for this motor rifle coy type too.

Air - about 50/50 of SU-25 and L-39s, a dozen total or so of each. 4 only SU-24. 18-24 or so later model Hinds, and some MI-8s and Hueys. only 2-3 light spotter helos. Have used RPV, so added to the spotter light plane type.

Cheers
Andy

Wow thanks Andy! I must check this immediately...

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

I am just tosssing it here for brainstorming purposes. Given the way the Chechenya issue played out and the type of forces represented perhaps their OOB could be turned into something more generic? Something that could include others forces in the area maybe, with a picklist to deal with the different possibilities?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

You mean something like "Generic former USSR insurgents", with Red being Generic FUSSR govt forces?

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

4.0 is the version of the game executable, not the OOB version ID.

To see that, open the Encyclopaedia and look at the version number information displayed at the foot of the screen, just underneath the buttons.

Cheers
Andy

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Basically, how about using Chechen OOB for Caucasus insurgents and Mujahadeen OOB for Central Asia insurgents? In both cases they could also be used against/in neighbouring countries (respectively Iran/Turkey and China/Pakistan/Iran).
Trouble is, we got two clean, varied OOBs with dedicated flags, names, location codes and whatnot, so I'm not sure there would be much point in, well, re-generalizing them to the level of a Red or Green OOB.
Also think about the names and ranks lists if you go mixing Chechens, Georgians, Azeris, Russians...

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

Here is a (as said) likely candidate for Russian OOB for the Georgian war. Enjoy!

http://63.99.108.76/forums/index.php...0&#entry593117

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

The South Ossetian forces comprised around 2,500 officers and men, or 16,000, including reservists (but not including volunteers from North Ossetia and elsewhere). Many of the officers were thought to be from the Russian GRU.

Weaponry included:

15 tanks. T-55s and T-72s
24 Gvozdika and Akatsiya SPGs
12 D-30 towed howitzers
6 GRAD multiple-launch rocket systems
30-40 mortars
4 100mm Rapira anti-tank guns
24 APCs
22 Softskin infantry transports
6 Combat patrol vehicles
Several dozen Fagot and Konkurs ATGMs
4-6 Osa
3 Tunguska
3 Shilka
6 Strela-10 air defense rocket systems
12 23-mm ZU-23/2 twin anti-aircraft guns (some of which were mounted on GAZ-66 trucks)
Large numbers of Igla and Strela MANPADs
4 MI-8 multi-purpose transport helicopters

The South Ossetians will probably have even more equipment now.

Re: Georgian OOB?
 

*Bump*



cdreedon,
Here's the thread with the RED as Georgia OOB