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Skirmisher October 24th, 2008 07:37 PM

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Do google search on "aerosol crimes" to find documentry

Skirmisher December 23rd, 2008 05:05 PM

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wow, guess everybodies ok with all the crap they are adding to the atmosphere.


I see them spray those fake clouds in a line almost everyday here.

Gandalf Parker December 23rd, 2008 06:35 PM

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Sorry but I live just outside one of the largest air force bases in the world. Im afraid Im not seeing it.

Skirmisher December 23rd, 2008 08:19 PM

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No need to be sorry. Wouldn't be surprised if planes are taking off from that base though,to spray other parts of California.

Ballbarian December 24th, 2008 01:12 AM

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Yep.

The Evil Empire faked a moon landing, killed Kennedy, brought down the WTC towers and now they are attempting to control overpopulation via contrails. Thank God for the internet and mass hysteria. Where do I send my check? Can I use PayPal?

Skirmisher December 24th, 2008 04:34 AM

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They are obviously spraying stuff into the atmosphere. Thats all I said.

Don't know about your little hysteria trip. Nor why you have to send money.

Imp February 1st, 2009 12:30 AM

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Are you having a laugh. If they are spraying for reasons stated there would be a dispersal patern. You would not have them criss crosing each other but rather most likely running parralel at set intervals. You would always do it at the optimum height to. So if appear at diffrent heights or criss cross its atmospherics.
Comercial airliners leave them to on occasion.
Military planes could indeed possibly use a form of spray to reduce friction but this would be sprayed over the wing surface as fine particulates to stop the air "sticking" to the wing. The results would be marginal but at Mach speeds might prove beneficial. However if the flow rate is slightly off it would probably cause more drag instead of less & could reduce lift.
A far simpler explanation is modern jet engines put out less emisions, these also produce finer particles which with the right atmospheric conditions hang in the air & produce what you see.

Omnirizon February 1st, 2009 06:47 AM

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THEY'RE STEALING OUR SUNLIGHT!!!!111ELEVENTY-ONE11!!

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THE THEFT OF SUNLIGHT
Clifford E Carnicom
Oct 25 2003

Measurements have recently been taken with a calibrated photometer to measure the reduction in intensity of sunlight that occurs as a direct result of heavy aerosol operations1. These measurements show a rapid reduction in the transmission of sunlight from a value of 97% on a “clear day” to the lower level of approximately 80% during the early stages of heavy aerosol operations. These measurements have been taken to coincide with the photographs below that show the aircraft aerosol trails systematically increasing the extent of the aerosol bank.

Rather than reducing the temperature of the earth and lower atmosphere, the aerosol operations commonly have the opposite effect of increasing temperature and aggravating, if not inducing drought conditions. This is a result of a combination of factors, including the specific heats of the elements involved as well as the hygroscopic properties of the aerosols. Physical and chemical analysis of the aerosol dynamics will lead to the expected observations of increased temperature, decreased moisture and an increase in winds. The absorption and displacement of this solar energy into environmental, military, biological and electromagnetic operations represents a theft of the natural and divine rights of the inhabitants of this planet. These are only preliminary effects upon the local and regional environments; longer term and more serious impacts upon the biosphere have been, are now and will become evident.
it's all so clear to me now. a conspiracy to redirect sunlight for military, biological, and electromagnetic operations using aerosol trails.

HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO BLIND AS TOO MISSED IT?????

Imp February 2nd, 2009 05:06 AM

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Omnirizon Like it that about sums it all up
Only in America

lch February 2nd, 2009 06:16 AM

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I wonder why nobody posted a link to this video with new evidence yet.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1825469

Imp February 2nd, 2009 08:19 AM

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I wonder why nobody posted a link to this video with new evidence yet.
Needs a bit more techno speak then she would have been a hit.
With the web its amazing how fast these "facts" spread.
Its strange the guy down the pub says something & everybody laughs & takes the piss but if its on the web its got to be right.
Go figure next thing you know people will say the press & politicians don't bend the truth or am I being cynical.

Skirmisher February 2nd, 2009 03:39 PM

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A far simpler explanation is modern jet engines put out less emisions, these also produce finer particles which with the right atmospheric conditions hang in the air & produce what you see.


These are different than normal contrails,which evaporate in abit behind the jet. They spray it back and forth in straight lines. You can see the lines stop and start,turning the spray on and off. After some time the spray disperses into thin cloud layer. Why it's being done who can say but one thing is certain.
This is not normal.

Imp February 3rd, 2009 06:51 AM

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These are different than normal contrails,which evaporate in abit behind the jet. They spray it back and forth in straight lines. You can see the lines stop and start,turning the spray on and off. After some time the spray disperses into thin cloud layer. Why it's being done who can say but one thing is certain.
This is not normal.
I have no doubt of this & probably most for that day in one area & next day a diffrent one not spread across the sky in reasonable patterns like they would be if done on purpose.
So atmospherics or throttle adjustment causing a change in particulats.
I am no expert but my sisters husband is a micro biologist & 2 of his & my mates (more his) are particle physicists.
You want to talk about global warming, yes there are some problems might be a couple of biggies actualy but they are confident OK for the forseable future though if we have not done ourselves in it will of course eventualy get us when the big radiator in the sky starts heating up.
A couple of points if goverments were really worried about it & green house gasses are the cause.
1) The amount we produce is minute cant remember but like 0.5% of total so cutting in half might buy us a year.
2) The sea & standing water produce most of it in cloud formation while trying to protect the planet from the suns rays
3) Grazing animals next killing all the cows would be far more effective than producing clean fuels
4) Electric hydrogen cars etc unless power used to produce these is nuclear you just moved the source & made them less efficient.
5) Producing Batteries the stuff used for them is very hard to extract & causes huge enviromental damage (think equivalent to after effects of a nuke) so they should be banned not encouraged. Goodbye iPod mobile phones lap tops etc.
6) Mercedes Benz already built a steam car about 15 years ago, think supercar performance but you have to wait 2 minutes for it to build up pressure before you can drive off & no one wanted to set up water stations to run it on.
7) I could go on but think about point 1 if they are wrong & greenhouse gases are the cause what we are doing will make no diffrence a change of 0.2% realy is not going to do a lot. Global warming is a huge cash cow now a multi billion dollar industry & science needs a good cash injection because nearly all resources are running out not just oil so we need replacements.<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

Skirmisher May 31st, 2009 12:51 AM

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Lots of aircraft activity lately, laying down thier fake clouds.

I mean what reason do a half dozen jets at a time have all flying in the same direction and leaving a chemtrail?

capnq June 1st, 2009 04:25 PM

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what reason do a half dozen jets at a time have all flying in the same direction and leaving a chemtrail?

Once again, spring is in the air, and the thread necromancers' fancies turn to dead horses, as usual.

What "reason" do conspiracy buffs have to assume superheated water vapor cooling back down to ambient temperature constitutes a "chemtrail"? Generating the electricity needed to discuss it online is probably doing more damage to the environment than the planes are.

Skirmisher June 1st, 2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skirmisher (Post 693752)
what reason do a half dozen jets at a time have all flying in the same direction and leaving a chemtrail?

Once again, spring is in the air, and the thread necromancers' fancies turn to dead horses, as usual.

What "reason" do conspiracy buffs have to assume superheated water vapor cooling back down to ambient temperature constitutes a "chemtrail"? Generating the electricity needed to discuss it online is probably doing more damage to the environment than the planes are.


I'll tell you what ace,

Do I believe you or my lying eyes?

I'm not pretending to know what they are doing up there.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out something up. This could actually be something beificial (who knows)

But it's not being disclosed and you are paying for it.

Skirmisher June 1st, 2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skirmisher (Post 693752)
what reason do a half dozen jets at a time have all flying in the same direction and leaving a chemtrail?

Once again, spring is in the air, and the thread necromancers' fancies turn to dead horses, as usual.

What "reason" do conspiracy buffs have to assume superheated water vapor cooling back down to ambient temperature constitutes a "chemtrail"? Generating the electricity needed to discuss it online is probably doing more damage to the environment than the planes are.

Contrials evaporate, repeat EVAPORATE.

This stuff eventually turns into a thin man made cloud layer as the various lines of spray remain for hours and hours after the jets have long gone.

Edi June 4th, 2009 06:15 AM

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Contrails don't evaporate. They are already vapor. They disperse. Look up the difference between them. The rate of dispersal will vary according to local atmospheric conditions. And the contrails "disappear" only when they have dispersed enough that you can't see the vapor clusters.

Do yourself a favor and go get an education and try to actually learn something about basic science before spouting nonsense about things you are completely ignorant of. There's an old saying about staying silent and letting people wonder if one is ignorant or opening one's mouth and removing any doubts. Applies to this thread perfectly.

Skirmisher June 4th, 2009 12:09 PM

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Contrails don't evaporate. They are already vapor. They disperse. Look up the difference between them. The rate of dispersal will vary according to local atmospheric conditions. And the contrails "disappear" only when they have dispersed enough that you can't see the vapor clusters.


OK so I made a slight error in description. The fact is that normal contrail's seem to disappear a short distance behind the plane.

What I'm seeing does not disappear. It stays in the atmosphere.
Do you have any smart explanatiions for that? :smirk:

One other point,contrials don't start and stop,they are consistant.

Skirmisher June 4th, 2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Edi (Post 694366)
Contrails

Do yourself a favor and go get an education and try to actually learn something about basic science before spouting nonsense about things you are completely ignorant of.


I took your advise and found that contrials do sometimes last longer due to certain atmospheric condidtions.

Now I have seen jet aircraft with the quickly disappearing contrails flying next to a jet that is making a thick trail clear to the horizon. Other times I have seen jet aircraft
just suddenly start releasing something. The contrail line just starts in mid air. Other times I've seen it stop in mid air.

The jets fly parallel to each other. They fly in groups,one after the other.

I am actually seeing this stuff happen. Just because we don't completely understand what's going on doesn't make it nonsense.

capnq June 5th, 2009 03:33 PM

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Do I believe you or my lying eyes?

I'm not pretending to know what they are doing up there.

Then why do you have to keep going on and on and on about it, rather than bothering to do a little research about what might actually be happening? You don't seem to have enough information to tell whether your eyes are "lying", and only started bothering to look for facts after people called you out on it.

I am sick and tired of self-righteous, greener-than-thou, paranoid Gaia-worshipping ecofreaks displaying their ignorance of science while trying to guilt-trip me into caring about their pet peeves. Especially when they're going on about hypothetical issues that might eventually be a solution rather than a problem, rather than trying to raise awareness about known bad practices that are killing people RIGHT NOW.

We sell our trash to second- and third-world countries, so that their poor can poison themselves reclaiming the reusable heavy metals, so their industries can build more useless junk for us to buy, so we can throw away our slightly older useless junk to sell back to them and continue the cycle. Yet I rarely see anyone even questioning whether they should buy the latest electronic gizmo to replace the one that they bought six months ago, because it's not "cutting edge" tech anymore, or arguing against our wasteful consumerist society.

There are plenty of "crimes" to worry about down here on the ground; you don't need to be looking for boogeymen up in the sky.

Skirmisher June 5th, 2009 04:21 PM

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Ok fine.

I'll shut up. It should have been obvious to me sooner that nobody really wants to hear it. Right?

I'd just like to point out i'm not a self rightous,greener-than-thou,paranoid Gaia worshiping ecofreak who is completely ignorant of science.

capnq June 5th, 2009 04:47 PM

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I'd just like to point out i'm not a self rightous,greener-than-thou,paranoid Gaia worshiping ecofreak who is completely ignorant of science.

I came back this soon to edit out the part about "Gaia-worshipping ecofreaks", but you'd already replied. I apologize for that bit of hyperbole.

That's the only part I'll apologize for, though.


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