Raising dead with a mummy
 

Why cannot my mummy prophet with Priest level 5, do more than raise dead? Aka.. no horsemen.

Re: Hmmm
 

Because you're not MA/LA Ermor or Sauromatia.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

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Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Raising longdead horsemen is nation specific. Only MA & LA Ermor and Sauromatia have that ability, but it can be modded into a nation.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Well, I hear ya...

But I think my Rebirthed Mummy whose a prophet should be able to *either* preach or raise higher undead.

Not being able to preach is a bummer for a prophet.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

There was a quote by KO not too long ago something to the effect that if someone comes back fromt he dead he really is a more imposing prophet - and hence his Holy ability increases.

But - KO is not reaaly right - if he can't preach, and he can't raise higher undead- his higher priestly dominion is almost worthless, and almost certainly worth less than the ability to preach.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

I'd like to see some different reanimate options exclusive to certain unit types. Mummies could reanimate more mummies, for instance, which would make rebirthing a prophet a more interesting option.

I'm not bothered about the 'corpses can't preach' bit. A zombie prophet would just mumble on about brains all the time, anyway. And a mummy prophet would be pretty muffled with all those bandages over its mouth.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

I'd like soulless to reanimate according to the type of units that were killed, not the reanimating nation.

If I'm C'tis and kill a bunch of monkeys and take no losses, it seems weird to reanimate a bunch of lizard corpses.

Not exactly a high priority or anything. I'd much rather see the "army fails to move" problem debugged. :D

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Higher level prophets don't get more undead? Bummer. But you'll be crazy strong when Banishing. :)

-Max

Edit: added quote for clarity. It wasn't clear to whom I was replying.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

That's odd. As Lanka, I noticed that raising Soulless with an H2 caster will invariably yield 16 assorted Soulless per turn, if they are available. However my H3 prophet consistently gets "some" more than 16, if there are more available.

I think they always get 5 Longdead though.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

You get more undead, you just don't get the option for better undead.
No longdead horse or whatever.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Okay, good, that's what I thought. So what's the beef, chrispederson? Isn't getting more undead better than a slight increase in number of candles? (If I could trade candles for troops at will I'd be a happy man.)

-Max

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Every additional H gives you +5 soulless or +1 longdead or +1 ghoul.

I agree with Max, and think that there are much better things to do with even non-undead prophets than preaching. If you don't need him blessing/smiting/banishing in battles, then unless you like using Achasic Record, your prophet is best used for site searching H. MA/LA Ermor are better off if he's raising undead, Demon prophets are more useful raising undead, and if you can blood sacrifice he's better off sacrificing. Probably the only times I'd preach with my prophet is if:

- I need him to stay in a province for defense and it's already H3 searched
- I need to flip the dominion from black ASAP to kill an immortal
- I'm sieging a castle
- I took low initial dominion and it's critical I raise dominion in a province, either to create a dominion wall or to prevent my own dom death
- I'd like to flip the dominion from black ASAP to get a few useful turns out of an opponent's scales

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Really? I *never* bother site searching H, with a prophet. Why do you think its worth the time? I rarely search with an H1 or H2 unless my site searchers incidentally happen to be priests.

But I find preaching as a prophet *incredibly* valuable. Take a look at the algorithym in the manual. Only inquisitors and high holy have chance at converting high enemy dominion. And yes, castle sieges is one case.

I also like to thug prophets.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

I'm not sure about H2 provinces because I usually only search with H1s, but Ancient Temple is reasonably common. Buying 2 or 3 indy priests for site-searching will not-infrequently yield +5 or +6 pearls per turn. My prophet is usually busy leading troops so I don't know how common H3 sites are.

-Max

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

Because I like to find all sites in my lands. :)

There's only one non-unique H3 site. It's uncommon, and it's total crap (it just lets you recruit priests). However, finding this site can mean that I've now found 4 sites in the province and do not need to waste time or gems looking for paths that I have not searched yet.

Sorry, I did forget one other situation which calls for preaching: removing damaging enemy dominion (LA Ermor/LA Rlyeh/MA CTis).

But my main point was that a prophet that can reanimate is much better than a preacher. I would never use an undead or demon prophet for site searching, unless there was a hint that there was a holy site in the province (holy fire/less unrest/+50 gold), and I has no other priest available who could search it.

Re: Raising dead with a mummy
 

I generally find troops worthless past middle game. Without means to animate tons of them, I consider the primary value to be morale. So.. I don't waste turns animating... generally.