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chrispedersen December 10th, 2008 08:21 PM

New Wishes
 
Hands - for a hand slot.
Head - for a head slot
Feet - for a feet slot
Misc - for a Chotsky slot.
Torso - for a torso slot.

Cast X Where X is any spell of any level 7 or lower, with minimal gems to cast the spell. Aka a wish to Cast Awaken Treelord


Plague of Rats - rats consume 2d20 food supply in every province
Plague of Lice - 10% chance every unit becomes diseased.
Plague of Lies - 2d20 unrest in every province.

Blessings of harvest - +2d20 food supply in every province.

vfb December 10th, 2008 09:14 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
I'd like to be able to wish for a magic site. You'd get an undiscovered (if level>0) random magic site in a random province.

Dectilon December 10th, 2008 09:15 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Reverse Scales: Reverses all scales for a few turns ;)

MaxWilson December 10th, 2008 09:16 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
I'd like to see "Hands" -> a pile of hands left over from Fivefold Angels. Yucky.

-Max

Endoperez December 11th, 2008 04:58 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 659037)
Cast X Where X is any spell of any level 7 or lower, with minimal gems to cast the spell. Aka a wish to Cast Awaken Treelord


Plague of Rats - rats consume 2d20 food supply in every province
Plague of Lice - 10% chance every unit becomes diseased.
Plague of Lies - 2d20 unrest in every province.

Blessings of harvest - +2d20 food supply in every province.

What do you Wish for? - Awaken Treelord

This would be good, because it's something you might try if you don't know what works.

However, the Plague of X things don't work, because you'd have to know them. You can't guess them. The effects are nice, though, so I think those effects should be replaced with:

Famine - amount of supplied reduced to 33% of normal in all provinces for several turns
Plague - units are randomly diseased and little population dies over several turns' time
War - increases unrest everywhere and randomly causes barbarians, knights, villains, ronin etc etc to attack random provinces for several turns
Death - would stay as-is, killing the mage who casts Wish. :D Curiosity, eh?


Is blessings of harvest really necessary? Wishing for "food" or "supply" already creates several supply-items in your lab, for several hundreds' supply points' worth of supply, and +40 supply in every province wouldn't do much even if it was permanent, and it shouldn't be.


What do you Wish for? - Undone.
Stop all multi-turn effects from previous Wishes (Armageddon and the new suggested features), casts an unboosted dispel against all Globals and causes a MR-negates high-dam attack against all magic beings. This keyword should be checked as one of the first, and if this is found no further keywords are looked for.

What do you Wish for? - Creation. Genesis. Beginning.
Creates 100 units from Crossbreeding in the caster's province, summons 100 random animals as per the Nature ritual in the caster's province, increases population in the province by 1000 and makes the caster 10 years younger.

What do you Wish for? - Eternal Life. Health. Immortality.
Gives Boots of Youth and two Bottles of Life to the caster or, if he doesn't have the slots, puts them to laboratory. In addition, makes the caster 10 years younger and removes disease.

What do you Wish for? - Salvation.
Summons some angels. Not Seraph or Chayot, but perhaps 4-5 angels under their level of power. Also halves the amount of kills the caster has caused.


What do you think an unspoiled player would Wish for?
"I want to be a Lord of all Creation."
"Genesis Undone"
"Four Riders of the Apocalypse"
"Salvation"
"Gift of Reason" -> proceeds to choose a creature from a list

Dectilon December 11th, 2008 06:53 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
'Cowardice': Cancels all attack orders for that turn.

'Rage': All commanders commanding an army of a certain size (say 40 units minimum) have a change to get a randomly initiated attack order. Commanders who fail a morale test are unaffected, and commanders already issued an attack order are unaffected. If there's no enemy province or army within reach a move order towards the closest one is issued.

'# Wishes (For example 1000 Wishes)': The caster instantly dies and some unseen force steals one of your magic items from your laboratory, or some gems if you don't have one there.

Maybe that's too imbalanced, but I thought it could be pretty funny to use once in a while :)

I like Undone and Genesis, but Health looks a bit weak. Why not give the caster immortality + a bunch of base hit points. It's just one caster anyway, and it has to be boosted to S9. That's not the most common thing ever :)

chrispedersen December 11th, 2008 10:24 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Wish for

Less Magic - All Spells require +1 in all casting paths for X time.

Extra gems put into the spell extend the duration 5 gems / turn.

chrispedersen December 11th, 2008 10:29 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Eyes - add 2 eyes
Size - Increases Size by 1 (Max 6). Increases HP 16%. Increase MR 1. Increases action pts, increases strength by 2.

Blood Vengeance - Adds or increases blood vengeance
Luck - makes you lucky
Flight - gives you wings
Speed - adds action point & increases mapmove 1

Health - heals you of all afflictions
Heal X - heals X of all ailments.
Remove Curse on X - Removes all cursed items from X and puts them in your Lab

Staff of Healing (or Aesculapius Staff) gives a staff that confers healing 50


See the Future - For the next 10 turns - you know the random events for your nation, one turn in advance.

Drain - Puts up a Global called drain. all units subtract 5 from their reinvig, per turn whilst the global is up.

Gandalf Parker December 11th, 2008 10:52 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Confusion - Random commanders (not prophet or pretender) and any followers switches sides to a random other player. Basically Charm spell. Affects all players, including yourself.

chrispedersen December 11th, 2008 10:57 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Plague of the little folk: (or 'the meek shall inherit')
All units larger than size 2, suffer a (size - 2) * d20 attack AN.


Steal X from Y.
eg: Steal Gems from Agartha
Steal Scepter of Authority from Ermor
Steal Gold from Pangaie
Steal (commander name) from Bogarus.

lch December 11th, 2008 11:40 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Tranquility -- other nations and special monsters cannot move into your territory for one year (or half) by any means, nor can your units move out of it. Alternative: Instead of "move", just "things that would count as an attack", sneaking through is okay.

Dectilon December 11th, 2008 02:01 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 659178)
Tranquility -- other nations and special monsters cannot move into your territory for one year (or half) by any means, nor can your units move out of it. Alternative: Instead of "move", just "things that would count as an attack", sneaking through is okay.

Hey, spying is an act of war too, isn't it? : /

Loren December 11th, 2008 03:02 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Recovery: The population of all provinces is raised to 1000. (To restore something to Ermor or Ry'leh-blasted landscape.

Tifone December 11th, 2008 03:14 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Raised "of" 1000 I think you mean ;)

rdonj December 11th, 2008 07:17 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Peace on earth - Kills a random tartarian?

Ironhawk December 11th, 2008 08:38 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Good ideas, endo!

sum1lost December 12th, 2008 01:25 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dectilon (Post 659129)
'Cowardice': Cancels all attack orders for that turn.

'Rage': All commanders commanding an army of a certain size (say 40 units minimum) have a change to get a randomly initiated attack order. Commanders who fail a morale test are unaffected, and commanders already issued an attack order are unaffected. If there's no enemy province or army within reach a move order towards the closest one is issued.

'# Wishes (For example 1000 Wishes)': The caster instantly dies and some unseen force steals one of your magic items from your laboratory, or some gems if you don't have one there.

Maybe that's too imbalanced, but I thought it could be pretty funny to use once in a while :)

I like Undone and Genesis, but Health looks a bit weak. Why not give the caster immortality + a bunch of base hit points. It's just one caster anyway, and it has to be boosted to S9. That's not the most common thing ever :)

Immortal astral mage says teleporting minddueler to me. I've created pretenders with this in mind.

Dectilon December 12th, 2008 07:42 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Oh, right. Forgot about the respawning aspect. I simply meant that it doesn't age, and maybe becomes immune to those decay spells.

Loren December 12th, 2008 07:37 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tifone (Post 659231)
Raised "of" 1000 I think you mean ;)

I meant "to".

It has no effect if the current population is greater than 1000.

Besides, what you are thinking of would be "by".

Tifone December 13th, 2008 06:14 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
1000 iz quite low imho. OK anyway! zorri 4 bad grammarzz!! :D

Gandalf Parker December 13th, 2008 12:35 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
But it would be a big help in provinces that have been emptied by bad scales.

Maybe it should be abit higher, and come with scales-healing also (or they might end up right back where they were). Actually I wouldnt mind a spell like that for doing provinces one at a time. Maybe re-roll the province as a fresh independents province.

Loren December 13th, 2008 02:04 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tifone (Post 659751)
1000 iz quite low imho. OK anyway! zorri 4 bad grammarzz!! :D

Sure, 1000 isn't a lot of people but it's an awful lot better than the 0's left behind by LA Ermor. I'm also figuring it should affect either every province under your dominion, every province you own or probably every province in the world.

It will let you recruit that indie mage.

PsiSoldier December 21st, 2008 11:40 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Endoperez (Post 659119)

What do you Wish for? - Eternal Life. Health. Immortality.
Gives Boots of Youth and two Bottles of Life to the caster or, if he doesn't have the slots, puts them to laboratory. In addition, makes the caster 10 years younger and removes disease.

Ummm.. why do nonsense with boots of youth etc. when you could just give the commander that makes the wish Immortality like a vampire or lich. Ive always thought they should have that as a wish. Besides who the hell would waste a wish for some stupid boots of youth and that crap.

Endoperez December 22nd, 2008 03:57 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PsiSoldier (Post 661561)
Ummm.. why do nonsense with boots of youth etc. when you could just give the commander that makes the wish Immortality like a vampire or lich. Ive always thought they should have that as a wish. Besides who the hell would waste a wish for some stupid boots of youth and that crap.

First, I'm not sure if it's possible to give a new ability to a unit without changing its creature type, and if "immortality" changed the wish-caster into a Lich or something, it would be an easy way to make immobile Astral 9 pretenders, mostly Oracle, mobile battle-mages.

Second, all Wishes don't have to be good all-around choices. Wish for "immortality" DOES provide it, in the "will never die of old age" sense (through items), and that's good enough IMO.

Furthermore, getting rid of disease in a hurry may be worth 100 gems, and getting youth-items for several mages at once may be priceless if someone just threw up a Burden of Time and you can't dispel it. Getting more youth-items might be necessary in that case, perhaps five or six in total.

vfb December 22nd, 2008 06:28 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Boots of Youth doesn't help with Burden of Time.

But I like Endo's idea for an immortality wish much better than actual immortality, which would be really unbalancing.

chrispedersen January 8th, 2009 03:38 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
New Wish: Time of the Elders.

Each turn until dispelled, angels of destruction visit the brightest of this era, the cycle turns, the time of chaos has arrived.

Each turn the angels will visit 2-4 of the biggest, most experience rulers of the land. There is no beatng them, eluding them for they are death ...
And flight the only option...

(Special resistance roll.. If move > 2 x drn (ie, 4 open ended dice) the angel has been eluded... this turn.)

PsiSoldier April 11th, 2009 09:17 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 665139)
New Wish: Time of the Elders.

Each turn until dispelled, angels of destruction visit the brightest of this era, the cycle turns, the time of chaos has arrived.

Each turn the angels will visit 2-4 of the biggest, most experience rulers of the land. There is no beatng them, eluding them for they are death ...
And flight the only option...

(Special resistance roll.. If move > 2 x drn (ie, 4 open ended dice) the angel has been eluded... this turn.)

That wouldnt be a wish... that would be a global spell..

PsiSoldier April 11th, 2009 09:29 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Endoperez (Post 661585)
First, I'm not sure if it's possible to give a new ability to a unit without changing its creature type, and if "immortality" changed the wish-caster into a Lich or something, it would be an easy way to make immobile Astral 9 pretenders, mostly Oracle, mobile battle-mages.

It might not be, but if it was I think it would be good to be able to wish for any of the Various abilities.

And perhaps wishing for them a second time would increase the effect if it was an ability that had higher levels like Stealth or Fear Aura

I'm not going to post a list of all the abilities but there are plenty that might be worth wishing for.

I generally take an Immortal pretender unless I'm doing an insane bless strategy and need a frost father or a weak human mage pretender, so wishing for Strength, Magic power are not bad choices. Wishing for abilities would be a nice bonus.

Fate April 11th, 2009 10:48 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
I would oppose any changes to Wish that allows the user to create arbitrarily powerful units (a couple thousand Astral gems = full resists, 30+ MR, 100 Health, Immortality, and blood vengeance before items??? that would be unstoppable).

While you could argue that if you have the Astral gems to create this unit you could win anyway, I would rather not have the ability in the game and force the player to use that "anyway" strategy they could have used instead.

Wish is powerful enough in that it gives any unit you want, any item you want, and all the magic gems and paths you want that the ability to turn any unit into an invincible SC is unnecessary.

Zargen May 15th, 2009 03:09 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
Hmmm...

Wish for Genocide of [Insert Unit type]

Personally, this could be one hell of a wish to use against enemies that use giant hordes of units of one type.

Genocide of Tartarian Cyclops/Titan/Monstroso anyone?

Rookierookie May 15th, 2009 10:56 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
"Healing"
One Heal Affliction 100 check on all units.

tgbob May 16th, 2009 12:34 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zargen (Post 691149)
Hmmm...

Wish for Genocide of [Insert Unit type]

Personally, this could be one hell of a wish to use against enemies that use giant hordes of units of one type.

Genocide of Tartarian Cyclops/Titan/Monstroso anyone?

I would just love genocide spells.

Endoperez May 16th, 2009 04:55 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zargen (Post 691149)
Hmmm...

Wish for Genocide of [Insert Unit type]

Personally, this could be one hell of a wish to use against enemies that use giant hordes of units of one type.

Genocide of Tartarian Cyclops/Titan/Monstroso anyone?

Genocide of - "Master Smith". Yeah, thanks for killing Ulm. "Marshmaster" for MA C'tis. "Dusk Elder" for LA Ermor.

Two wishes for Genocide would wreck almost all nations (Arch Theurg, Theurg).

It's a really, really bad idea. Even if it only works for units, some nations are really screwed up, others won't be affected at all (say, their chaff of choice is called "heavy infantry" and can't be targeted by the Wish).

Maraxus May 16th, 2009 05:46 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Endoperez (Post 691222)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zargen (Post 691149)
Hmmm...

Wish for Genocide of [Insert Unit type]

Personally, this could be one hell of a wish to use against enemies that use giant hordes of units of one type.

Genocide of Tartarian Cyclops/Titan/Monstroso anyone?

Genocide of - "Master Smith". Yeah, thanks for killing Ulm. "Marshmaster" for MA C'tis. "Dusk Elder" for LA Ermor.

Two wishes for Genocide would wreck almost all nations (Arch Theurg, Theurg).

It's a really, really bad idea. Even if it only works for units, some nations are really screwed up, others won't be affected at all (say, their chaff of choice is called "heavy infantry" and can't be targeted by the Wish).

And late Era C'tis would be quite immune - casterwise, unless you can also choose a unit by unit ID (which would be ... bad flavor)

Poopsi May 19th, 2009 08:49 PM

Re: New Wishes
 
how about a genocide that doesn't genocide commanders, just units? (and not permanently. You can keep training or spawning them)

Dragar May 20th, 2009 04:20 AM

Re: New Wishes
 
I still think that is incredibly overpowered. Any national sacred that is the cornerstone of a nation's strat.. would completely hammer someone.

At best it should hit a certain % of them, or require an MR check, or just give them disease or a random affliction


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