A.I. Absolutely will not surrender!
 

I have an AI (Sergetti) down to one planet with 300M in populations, no other units or planets.

His score is 4,400 and mine is 138,000. I have his planet blockaded with 5 ships, and have demanded his surrender for 15 turns, and he wont!

Any suggestions? I really need his Ice Colonization tech.

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Do some kind of extremely small scale bombardment (with a frigate with one weapon, for example)to whittle them down until the population ratio triggers his (actually, Queen Triana's) surrender.

Check for sure that they did not colonize any moons (pesty buggers).

Concurrently continue to grow your score as well.

Also, if you have not already, you may also wish to propose a trade (your colonization tech for theirs); they have a good chance of accepting this, even at war.

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Good idea about trading. I could trade him all my techs for his Ice Colonization. Then I'll nuke him before he can use any.

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Troops. You should be able to take a 300m homeworld without too much trouble. You will gt his tech that way.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Captin:
I have an AI (Sergetti) down to one planet with 300M in populations, no other units or planets.

His score is 4,400 and mine is 138,000. I have his planet blockaded with 5 ships, and have demanded his surrender for 15 turns, and he wont!

Any suggestions? I really need his Ice Colonization tech.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It must be very early in the game. The minimum score is the number of Tech levels times 200 plus the automatic 600 in resources so he must have only 19 Tech levels.

In any case, IIRC, the Sergetti require 50 times their score to surrender. This means you will have to have a score of 220,000. Population ratio has nothing to do with it, and you cannot get his tech by conquering his homeworld. Trading, however, should be very easy if you offer him all the starting techs for his colonization tech (except that he probably doesn't like you). http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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If I land troops and conquer him, do I get the techs?

I had done that once and I could not see where I got the tech. Do I need to "analyze" or something after I take them?

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Krakenup's right about this -- no technology is given for capturing a colony, even if it's the Last one -- this ain't MOO2. OTOH, if you can capture ships, you can analyze those.

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Does not population affect score? Sure it does.

Well then, to be more specific, careful (small scale) bombardment will reduce an opponent's score (by destroying facilities, population, or whatever), and will get you to the ratio needed faster than building up your score.

I have used this strategy, and it works.

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Thx all! Appreciate it

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IIRC some of the modded AI's have been configured to NEVER surrender reguardless of scores and ratio. Am I getting Alzheimers already???

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From the TDM Sergetti politics file:
Will Accept From Friend Demand your surrender := False
Will Accept From Enemy Demand your surrender := False

So the score is irrelevant. The Sergetti will never surrender!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Does not population affect score? Sure it does.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope. Once you have destroyed all bases and ships at a planet and blockaded the planet, it produces zero score. Further destruction does no good. Also, units (satellites and WPs) do not count towards score so you don't have to destroy them, and you don't have to use a warship to blockade a planet. A scout, colony ship, or transport works fine.

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He will have a score due to the tech levels he has, and a small amt of materials.

Never surrender, cool! One of the few AI races that has given me problems.

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Last time I played a game against the TDM Sergetti, getting them to surrender was not my problem. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

Geo

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Hmm, maybe their speech file should be changed:

Response Demand surrender := We will never surrender! And we mean that, too. Check our AI files, if you don't believe us! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

Rollo

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LOL - Maybe the Winston Churchill speech or Saddam Hussein "line in the sand" one

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How about Patton...."Nuts!". I've used that one a few times in games.

Geo

Er, no wait, Patton didn't say that. Who said that? I can't remember his name. Patton came to rescue him.

[This message has been edited by geoschmo (edited 17 September 2001).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Er, no wait, Patton didn't say that. Who said that? I can't remember his name. Patton came to rescue him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Found it. It was Brigadier General Mcauliffe.

Geo

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Found it. It was Brigadier General Mcauliffe.

Geo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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-Veteran of Bastogne on History Channel Last Saturday night.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Q:
From the TDM Sergetti politics file:
Will Accept From Friend Demand your surrender := False
Will Accept From Enemy Demand your surrender := False

So the score is irrelevant. The Sergetti will never surrender!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yep, if you are playing with the TDM-ModPack. From the unmodified Sergetti politics file:
Score Percent To Accept Demand your surrender := 5000
Will Accept From Friend Demand your surrender := False
Will Accept From Enemy Demand your surrender := True
So that would be 50 times his score if you are playing with the original files.