Stuck in Poland?
 

I have found the following to be the case before, and I wonder where it will stop. I have 2 decisive victories and now am on the start of the 3 battle. The problem is, though I picked the 60 battle campaign, it still claims I'm in Poland 9/39. I would had thought I was in 10/39 at least by now. I also have the indignity of having a delay mission, so it's obvious my victories don't affect the enemy's abilities. You would had thought it would had been him on the delay.

So do you ever get out of Poland? 60 battles aren't enough if I am going to spend 10% (3 battles for 9/39 possibly and 3 battles for 10/39 possibly, equals 6), or more, of my time there.

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That is because the campaign clock is deliberately slowed down in Poland, since you have the phony war coming on later on to skip over. More battles = a more experienced core in France.

Andy

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Well at least I know this is by design, though I don't like it. I would had rather those extra 4 battles (assuming there are 6 total) take place in NAfrica or the USSR. Am I correct then that there's a full 10% of the battles in Poland? How many are in France too?

What if I picked more missions, would that give me more elsewhere, or is it one of those percentage things where no matter how much I go up, the number keeps going up in Poland too?

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I guess that it will, i remember playing about 10 battles at poland a few times, its ok for me since i get time to build a powerful core to smash the french (poland wasn't a walk in the park like some people think), but how about starting in 11/39, this way you'll skip to norway(or france perhaps?) right away, but you'll probably not be able to cross the meuse (3 meeting engagements), and will have a hard time to beat the french with you green troops(unless you start with training off and set your troops a good experience)

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From what I recall of SPWAW and winSPWW2, there is nothing Norwegian in the German campaign. 10 battles, if that isn't the definition of boredom I don't know what is. I don't want to fight France with no battles, but I'm real comfortable with only two. My entire force is practically veterans already and I hate to fight agsinst the same ol' weak foe over and over. If you were playing 60 battles when you got 10 in Poland, that's just ridiculous.

I thought that picking 60 battles would come close to giving the Gemrans a battle a month, as about 45 of them could be spent in the USSR. I would also like to go into France, with about the amount of experience you would expect for them to have going in there, and not some uber-force. Sure, I should be able to make them somewhat better than they were by that time, but certainly not with the majority of my force being elites by then (10 battles will certainly do that). It's quite absurd to spend as much as 1/6 of your campaign in Poland, especially if you're trouncing them, but then I don't think the game was made to shorten your stay if you are doing very well.

Some German players must be real wimps to need to spend so much time in Poland to gear up for France. France can be a boondoggle, but take it like a man.

So now I have to question what is worse, going into France as though you were fighting there first, or having excessive training exercises with the same ol' boring Poles. Last battle I lost only 58 men and 1 AFV, and I was so bored I started getting reckless. At least with the current battle being a delay with only a visibility of 7, it shouldnj't be too boring, even if it is the same blasted enemy again; but meeting engagements, should they keep coming, get old real fast against a nation conquered so quickly.

I do have to wonder, again, just what number of battles you get in France. They and the Poles lasted about the same amount of time, and at least they're strong to a degree, and also have the possibility of the BEF joining in, or maybe even a minor like Belgium. It would make more sense to be playing some of the Polish battles there even though it makes for a much harder time for Gerry. I like the old way better. No matter who the enemy, you stay there as long as there was fighting at that front (Poland and France 1 battle per month).

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OK. I get it. You "don't like it". I'll make a note of it.

As for your assumtion that "10% of the battles in Poland". This is false. I just ran a quick test and the first 4 of a 60 battle LC were in Poland and the fifth was in Norway ( there goes you other assumtion about "there is nothing Norwegian in the German campaign" ). You do pretty good at making an assumtion then writing paragraph after paragraph about it like it's fact

Results may vary. The game is not set up to do the same thing over and over. Someone may indeed get more battles in Poland and none in Norway but there is no set percentage or number

I have a save of the campaign showing the Norwegian battle as number five of a German LC if you're interested

Don

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hey Don, do the number of battles in a LC modify the locations you'll fight?like, in 60 battles with Germans its something like Poland, france, N.africa, Sicily, normandy, holland, '45 rhine crossings, the last battle (a.k.a Berlin), and in 200 we get, poland, norway, holland, belgium, france and onwards...

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I'm not on this board to smart off Don, so I'll take your word for it. I just figured if I had three battles in 9/39 Poland, and somebody said it IS longer in Poland, then maybe I'm stuck for 6 battles since I already have three in 9/39. All my other LC starts were the same, 2-3 9/39 battles in Poland before I quit. It doesn't seem unreasonable to draw the conclusion I did with that set of information. If I get 6 total Polish battles it will be fact that it's 10% of my 60 battles, but it won't be fact all the time as you make clear (though I had to wonder the period spent in what country and the number of battles weren't constant as well).

I also stated "from what I recall" there were no Norwegian battles and I didn't elaborate on that point in the least.

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IIRC I've never had less than 2 battles and never more than 4, in Poland in the 60 LC.

BTW I've never tried 200 battles LC, so that is how you get Norway etc mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!


Bob out:D

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I got norway in 60 battles a few times, but its more probable in the 100 or 200 battles, but its weird to have your panzergrenadiers fighting into mountains, and forests, gerbisjaeger would be a better choice

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How about ski troops in the desert?

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:confused: Trying to figure out just how you recalled there were no Norwegian battles when you never got out of Poland :confused:

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Sounds Cool, i'll try them out when i get home

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The more recent games, I never got out of Poland.

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How many battles have you played? it is a long campaign?how many battles?

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And I have just started a 40 battle German LC, 3 battles in Poland, 3 in France (2 French and 1 v Britain), 1 in Norway, and off to Africa now, and have a choice of Russia after 2 NA battles.

If you chose some really large battles number, you will have a large number of Polish and French battles, large number of NA battles etc etc. Time will pass really slowly per increment between battles if you chose a large number of battles, and you will skip through the war if you chose a smaller battle number.

Cheers
Andy

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I'm just playing the basic 60 battles. I would reason it more likely I spend more than one battle a month if I chose a much higher starting battle number. The East Front battles alone amount to almost 4 years of battles (48). 60 battles are close to not even being enough if you're playing Poland, France, NAfrica, and the USSR.

So even with a depleted starting battle number, you have tallied 6 battles (1/6 to 1/7 of your total - not including Norway) in places where Germany spent only 3-4 months total fighting. That seems to argue with the conclusion I had in the beginning, basically that the game "CAN", at least, spend way too much time in what ended up being early minor theatres (at least France was possibly a major combatant).

I have yet to go further with my current campaign, and perhaps that 4th battle will be in France (hurrah!), but to spend 3 in 9/39, knowing there's also a 10/39 slot, isn't too encouraging. From what people have been saying, it sounds very unlikely I will spend 6 battles in Poland (though somebody said 10), and that higher battle numbers totals drive that up, but do keep in mind that any other SP type game I played, didn't spend more than 2 battles in Poland, much less three in the first month, and I was always playing with the idea of playing with what amounted to a battle per fighting month. WWII Germany, for example, fought for roughly 4 1/2 to 5 years of ground fighting, so 60 battles would about cover that, and it's convenient that the default works well for them, too.

If the campaign were results driven, as indeed some of the prior SP's were (be that good or bad), you would never see more than 2 battles spent in a place where you already had two decisive victories in a place where very little time was spent, but apparently the Poles in this game are much more ferocious, as my slaughtering them in two consequetive battles brought them "advancing" on me in the 3rd. In the scheme of following what the battle types you get, might indicate (other than a complete random factor) what the next one will be, that puts me in real trouble because after all of that Germans are the ones being attacked. Maybe 6 battles in Poland isn't so far fetched afterall.

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I have played winspww2 in only LC's so far. Always with the default amount (at least as far as Germany is concerned). I have played at least twice prior to this particular LC, and on both occasions I spent 2 battles in 9/39 Poland after 1-2 slaughter victories (every completed battle was a slaughter is what I'm trying to say. I may had given up out of boredom in the 2nd battle though, as I saw no sense in fighting in the same month in the same place forever. I certainly didn't go beyond the 3rd battle to find out what happened in the 4th). I cannot say if I bothered finishing that 2nd battle or not, but I'm guessing I did and then found out I was spending a 3rd battle in 9/39 Poland as well.

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If you don't like Poland, then set the campaign start date to 5/40 and start in France, or maybe 3/41 for the desert.

Cheers
Andy

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Just a point I like the idea of slowing the clock slightly for combats agains nations that did not survive long. Gives more variety to the overall campaign & allows for you to possibly have more than one battle type against them.

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Yes, it's feast or famine. I had thought about a 5/40 start, but then I would have 'no' experience going into France, that is, if I can discount something Norwegian should I start say 11/39. That would be funny to start 11/39 and then get stuck in Norway just as long.

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With prior SP's, you always got the chance for more than one battle anyway, as usually you had a battle for each month (or partial month), so that would be 2 battle apiece for Poland and France.