Betelgeuse - Blood for the Blood Gods!! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

The theme of this game will be Blood Nations. Being a blood nation doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a blood superpower like Mictlan or Lanka to play (though they certainly qualify). The only rules to nation selection are that your nation has to have at least one nationally recruitable mage with at least Blood 1 (not just randoms that include Blood). This mage may be Capital Only if he's all you have.

Betelgeuse Game Status page on Llamaserver: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Betelgeuse

=====Statistics=====

Settings - Magic Sites at 50. Magic Research at difficult. Gold Income at 125%. Renaming on. All others at default for now, but additional settings may be suggested.

Mods -

chrispederson's Conceptual Balance Mod 1.44 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...3&d=1233461962
Streamers & Standards http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989
Single Age Complete http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...9&d=1212179279
Edit: Link has been fixed for Single Age Complete


Map - Map is Asia Twist which can be found here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938

Hosting - Hosting will be every 27 hours with Quickhost on to start with. After 20 turns we'll change to 48 hours.

Size - We now have 14 players. We're willing to accept one or two more players

Diplomacy - As in my other game, Sol, Diplomacy is really up to the players. Just note that treachery certainly won't win you any new friends, and if your victim has friends of his own to back him up, you might find yourself in over your head.

Victory Conditions - Victory Points. You must hold 6 Capitals for 3 consecutive turns. If you are in a siege, the defending nation counts as holding the province.

=====Players=====

Nations signed up:

- EA Lanka: Starshine_Monarch
- EA Sauromatia: JimMorrison
- EA Mictlan: chrispederson
- EA Hinnom: P3D
- EA Abysia: DryaUnda

- MA Pangaea: rtyffg
- MA Vanheim: Alpine Joe
- MA Jotunheim: klagrok

- LA Abysia: Dragar
- LA Ulm: Incabulos
- LA Gath: pyg
- LA Marignon: Apsophos
- LA Mictlan: Scarlioni
- LA Utgard: Stretch

=====Status=====

We have now started and are no longer accepting new players. Thanks to QM for allowing us to start quicker.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

LA Abysia please

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

EA MickeyLand please.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Does MA Pangaea qualify? If it does, then i'd like to take them.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Pandemoniacs are indeed recruitable Blood mages, so yes, they qualify.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Holding 9 capitals for 2 years sounds like a bit much. I doubt people will want to play a further 24 turns when it's already obvious who's won.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Hm. you're probably right. Does 6 capitals sound more reasonable?

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Well I don't think it's the #, but the duration. Most games either end when you hit the VC (if it is set in game, it ends that turn), or request you hold them for 3 contiguous turns. Even holding them all for 6 turns would sort of be overkill at 50%.

God I am so tempted, I had wanted to do a game with this theme for awhile. :p

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Yeah, if you can hold all the victory points for 24 turns without ever losing them, you're probably fighting nothing but scattered barbarians anyway...

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

ooh I didn't pay attention the small details I saw blood and my mind blanked. if you can hold them 5 turns you can hold them 12.

Like folks have said 3 turns is the standard. I think with those victory conditions the people waiting for the eventual winner's timer to countdown would end up going AI and would find it hard getting subs.

Although that has given me an idea for a game/map..

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Ah okay. I've actually never done a VP game before, so I wasn't exactly sure what was the standard. 6 capitals for 3 turns sounds fine to me, if that's what everyone wants.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

There's at least 21 by my count. As I just learned, 6 VPs for 21 nations is not nearly enough. Just make it a flat %, and round up is usually the best policy. It's really annoying to have a game end, when you never even had a chance to interact with the victor. :p

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Why income 125 %? Wouldn't that discourage bloodhunting?

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

OK. I will take Bogarus, though I have not found a way to win with them!

JimMorrison. Succomb to the temptation and enter!

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

My reasoning for that is that if you're blood hunting in a few choice provinces, you won't be missing out on as much gold as you would be under 100%. With a bigger income, Blood hunting will have more of an opportunity cost, and yes, you will still have to choose what is more important to you: Gold or Slaves. However, if you are Blood Hunting, the additional income from the provinces you aren't hunting in should make up for the cost more than if you were hunting under 100%


@ JimMorrison

I must have miscounted somewhere then. I was thinking of 1/3 of the capitals and got 6 for 18 nations. If it's really 21 nations, then that would be 7 VP. Perhaps that's a bit low as well? How's 8 or 9 sound for 21 players?

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Well, a couple of games ended rather abruptly. So since I am in love with Sauromatia, I would like to share my love with all of you. <3

We need more people though! I thought Blood was more popular. :o

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Yeah, I'd had thought we'd get a LA Ulm by now at least.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

I was REALLY tempted to pick them, as they're extremely fun to play. But in my tests, I haven't gotten my early-to-mid-game transition worked out yet, and they can't shine without a clear plan of how to succeed. So far it mostly looks like:

1. Mass Amazing Infantry
2. ???
3. Profit!

:p

I've got some ideas of ways to change my setup with them, but I'm not here to experiment, I'm here to chew bubblegum. :D

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Actually I thought LA Ulm was taken which is why I didn't pick it(that is actually in crimson skies that they are taken). I want to try them out. So would be happy to play them and open up EA Mictlan to someone else.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Will do Inca. If anyone else wants to change, please let me know while we still have slots open.

Also, we should probably discuss the Map we want. I've been trying to work the Llamaserver map browser and it's not working. When I select a different map, the preview and description won't change.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

It's been broken a while now (for me at least)... I think Llama knows, but I am not sure. A few people have posted about the same issue.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Alright i'll join as MA Vanheim

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

I'll counter Alpine Joe's Vanheim with LA Midgard. How many games are we in together Joe?

I like the Blood concept. Playing evil can be a lot of fun! Who is the evilest? I vote no diplomacy or at least no expectations for thematic purposes.

I am a newbie. Doing poorly in my first MP game as MA Pangaea. Just starting a second game as Fomoria. Don't be to hard on me, OK?

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Fomoria is one of my favorites, I'm jealous! Wait, I'll be okay..... Sauromatia is one of my favorites, too. :p

If I lose this game, I am going to start another with the same theme, named "BloodVengeance". ;)

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Bumping because we need more people.

And as soon as we start, everyone can gang up on Jim.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Ea Niefleheim, please.

edit: Nah, with Sauromatia in the game, LA-Mictlan.

Re: Betelgeuse - Blood Nations CBM Single Age - Recruiting
 

Here's a workaround I have discovered:
Start a game. Pick your settings... includind a map Now if you want to change a map - highlight the new map. change one other setting - apply the changes.
then you can go back in, and it will show you the info for the map you chose

(whatever is the current default displays ok). Makes looking at maps cumbersome but it works.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Gosh I really should fix the browser. Sorry, I'll try to get to it as soon as I can.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Hmmm.. lets try a new strategy: EA-Mictlan!

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I've decided I'll allow chrispederson's modification to the Conceptual Balance Mod, but I'd like it if we can get an okay from some more players before I make it official. It includes tweaks to a few pretenders and some additional bugfixes as well.

The mod can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFUt...layer_embedded

Changes are listed in the Readme. Look it over and decide if you want it or not.

Also, I've thought about using the World of Geometry Team Arena, however this requires us to have 24 players.

If we want to use this map, we'll need three more players after all the Blood Nations are taken. These three players may pick any other land-based nation from any age on the condition that their pretender take Blood 2 or higher, depending on their preference.

If we don't want to use it, well, I'll just look for something else.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Honestly, I've come to feel that the WoG Remake has some odd balance issues, due to the geography.

In the game Human War, we are using the Asia Twist map, with no one starting in the water starts. This is providing a very interesting wrinkle to the game IMO, and is a lot of fun. Doing something similar here would only require us to get to 15 signups. Also, we had the idea for a variant that would place AI in the 3 water starts, rather than having the seas empty - they would be at Normal difficulty, so not terribly problematic, but they'd provide an interesting dynamic, as every nation will have water access on that map.

Just some thoughts, but I really do think that WoG may need another iteration before I want to play on it again. (Wouldn't have to be totally redrawn, just needs some tweaking.)

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I *love* the wog map - but I have to say that the balance issues are huge.

At one point I was third in provinces, with very positive scales - and I was almost last in income. The cave systems income seems about 1/2 what the interiour is.

Which is fine for a team game - but I don't think it would be so fine in a non team game.


I love the interior garrisons - but they are *so* strong that its a losing proposition to take them. The've essentially been ignored, because the benefit is not worth the reward.

You win by killing your opponents = ).

I love strong garrisons... but they have to be material to the game. So for example if you were to play 8 gates - putting strong garrisons on the gates would be relevent - because the gates provide access to the rest of the map and thus provide a huge incentive to take.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I do like the Asia Twist map and fewer signups would mean that we could get started quicker...

If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Right now, I'm browsing through some of Gandalf Parker's works for something interesting. I'd prefer Wraparounds for whatever you guys have in mind, those get priority.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Still recruiting? If so, sign me up as MA Jotunheim.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Change mine to EA Abysia please

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

sorry, cancel that. I'll stick with LA Aby

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Argh, can't resist joining another game, should do but I can't!

Ea Helheim please.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Awesome. So far we have about half of everyone here now. With 9 more people we can start the big game once we've decided on a map.

However, recruitment has been a little slow, and 11 players is a good size for a game (Plus, we'll be able to pick a smaller map). If you wish to start ASAP, please post here saying so. I will still be accepting new players until we have a majority of votes to start.

If we do elect to start earlier, victory conditions will be reduced to 4 capitals for 3 turns, or 5 capitals if we get more than 12 players total.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I prefer a game of 11 or 12 players myself

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

yeah its a good number, will likely move faster

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I hesitated about playing but I think I'll take LA Marignon.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Apsophos has been added.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I'd try Hinnom.
As a noob, my only aim would be to survive for a while.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

P3D has been added.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

If LA Mictlan is Still available then I would be happy to take them.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Scarlioni added.

We're filling up now. Whoever else wants to start ASAP, please say so.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

I'd like to be EA Abysia.

Is this PBEM?

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

About starting I will go with the majority.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Me too. I'm being quiet because I'm OK with everything suggested so far. I'm ready to start and I'm in no hurry.

Re: Betelgeuse - Still Recruiting! - Blood Nations CBM Single Age
 

Sounds like you're pretty committed to Wotg Starshine...