Lack of Gold and Desertion
 

I'm struggling along in the barren seas of a World in Crisis, where armageddons have rocked the world for a couple years.

The problem is, I'm stuck at negative gold income. Well, that wouldn't be all that much of a problem, except it's due to CBM free Gibodai. They keep complaining about the lack of wages, but they don't get serious about it and actually quit. Damned communist Gibodai! I've cranked all my taxes down to 0% in a secret libertarian scheme to bankrupt the welfare system. But the bastards still won't leave me. Seriously, a monthly deficit over 3000 gold and just 12 units emigrate. Out of 40 gazillion.

I'd really like to be able to hire another Mind Lord. But that's not gonna happen until I can get my income positive, and my income is not going to be positive until a lot more units desert.

Shouldn't more units be leaving me?

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Ok if u can make a sea kings goblet make one, move a tonne of troops into the water and then switch the sea kings goblet for a ring of water breathing, tada, lots of drowned infantry men, another way to go is to simply go to war with someone and through all your chaff at them.

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Thanks, but they are fish. So drowning isn't an option. And no-one else is in the water.

The thought of rounding them all up into a province with a lab and Gateway-ing them onto a land province is just painful. I've got several clumps of starved fish all over the world. I suppose I could Ghost Rider the provinces and all their neighbors too.

But I'd prefer the Gibodai just desert.

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ok how about cramming every unit u dont want into the province with the least ammount of supply. it will still take a while but it should speed up the rate at which u lose men after a bit

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Yeah, I did that, but had Gift of Health up. Now they are diseased, and should all be dead sometime around turn 110. Thanks anyway. :)

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If only you'd been using my "Final Sacrifice" mod, eh!

Actually, perhaps I should put a link to it in my sig.

Edit: Done!

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I think they're magic beings, so load drop them off at a friendly neighbors PD & retreat.

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But they are not Mindless, so they'll just retreat if they have no Magic Leader.

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For some reason this really cracked me up. :D

Anyway, I don't have the game/mod in front of me, but I thought I had made Gibodai a free summon where the polypal queens have to use the order to generate them? If not, I'll switch it over to that next version.

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Yes, that's right, each Polypal Queen must issue the order to summon the Gibodai for free. The water in the game map is one of those 'winding river' kind of deals that nearly all the hand-drawn maps have, rather than the 'big pond' you get from random maps. So maintaining positive dominion is difficult for water nations, especially when nearly all the land nations seen to have their capitol on the coast. I managed it with quite a few early Polypal Queens. But they are H2, so preaching doesn't do anything once you get to dom5, so I thought, hey, free Gibodai!

Everything was going swimmingly because I've got order-growth-luck scales and tons and tons of cash. Or at least I did until TC cast AN, which I thought was not a nice thing to do, so I invaded him, being his closest neighbor. I made pretty good progress against him, and also got some help from Sauromatia teleporting in, and Hinnom too a bit later. And that's when the armageddons started, and when they were finished I no longer had my precious gold income any more.

The Gibodai are free to summon, but of course still cost upkeep, though it's halved since they are sacred. But 30 forts and 10 Polypal Mothers per fort=300 Gibodai per turn. Oops.

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I laughed too..

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They´re aquatic right? Can´t you just gateway them to a lab in a land province and they suffocate?

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Yep, I could. I think I mentioned that somewhere above. Probably about 15 gateways would get most of them, and though I don't have labs everywhere I have temples, there's labs a couple provinces away at the most for all of them. So just need to fork out 150 pearls to kill them off.

But I thought desertion was faster. Isn't that part of the point of Utterdark? Get your enemies' income close to zero so their troops desert? If only 8 units are bailing every month, that's not much of an effect.

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Are they sacred? Sacred units never desert you know, they just keep whining forever.

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I believe desertion involves a morale check, so if the Gibodai have high morale they would be unlikely to desert.

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Thanks! Yes, they are sacred.

How did you find out about sacred units not deserting?

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I don´t remember exactly where I read it but I´m quite sure about it. Sacred unit are supposed to be fanatically loyal to your cause and never desert due to upkeep problems.

Actually I think I read it in one of those in-game "tip of the turn" hints displayed when processing turns.

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I've read all those Tips a million times, don't think I've seen that one. Hmmmm.

But, in the same game with vfb, I have to say I've noticed that my Niefel Giants are loathe to desert, but I have 2 multi-heroes that can free-summon Hirdlings (or whatever), and those guys sure do not want to stick around!