TDM mod -- unplayable on my computer
 

Hi,

I've tried two times now, and both times the game has eventually frozen up during the AI turns.

The first time it was about turn 500, the Last time about 100.

This is really frustrating for a couple of reasons: 1) It happens after investing hours of gameplay; 2) The unmodded game, while playable on my computer, offers little to no challenge.

Here's what happens: I hit the end turn, and the message comes up saying the AI is taking its turn. Then it gets stuck and nothing happens. In the first game, it was Player 2 and in the second game, Player 8. After a long time, I hit CNTRL+ALT+DEL and it says SEIV [not responding].

Can someone please help me? Please?

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Q) Have you saved your game during play?
Q) Can you reproduce the problem?

If you've had the game running for 100 turns in a row, it is possible that memory leaks have killed it.

Use one of the saves from your freezing games if possible, and as you play, save regularily.
If you can get to a point where the AI will consistently freeze on the next one or two turns, even after closing and reloading SE4, post it, and we will find you an answer.

For now, do you have any details, such as:
- Which TDM race freezes?
- Which techs are available at the time of the freeze?
- Any unique game settings or events?

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Hi,

Yes, I've saved both games. The problem occurs at the same time, no matter how many times I reboot and try again.

The first game, the Aquilaeian Empire freezes. The second game, it's the Norak Continuum.

The first game was low-tech start, no warp points available. As far as techs available, it's very far into the game, so I have almost all the techs. I'm not sure about the other empires, but I'm sure they must be very far along.

The second game was a standard warp point map, all techs available at the start, with mines and stellar manipulation turned off (I thought maybe the first game froze because the AIs were using techs like the Star Creating device and that was causing the problem, or maybe they were laying too many mines).

Thanks for trying to help. I really appreciate it!

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Samurai, can you post the save games here so we can have a look into it?

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Samurai what is "a long time" for you and what computer hardware you use?
The reason for this question is that many of the TDM races use a lot of fighters in small fighter Groups and in combats this may give very long calculation times (on my pentium II computer 32 MB RAM, 233MHz up to 15 minutes!).

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Yes Samurai, please can you post the save game or at least, send me it to jlperyr@adinet.com.uy?
Thanks for the report!

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Hi,

Thanks for trying to help!

Which file(s) should I post? Just the .gam file or some of the others too?

Also, I use my own ship set. Does it matter if you guys don't have the same set? I doubt that it does, but I just want to make sure.

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The *.gam file will be ok.

But you can do a test if you want: you know the race that's having problems, then, you can:
1)Load the save game
2)Change the race with problem, to human control.
3) Run the turn, and you could see where is the problem (surelly, a combat with lots and lots of fighters).

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Here's one of the problem games: I hope someone can help.

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Well, the problem is (as Q suggested), that you have a really big game with a big map, and also there exist some really big AI empires, then, the AI take a long time to play their turn.
The Aquilaeian and the Pyrochette are the big ones (I'm proud of my babies!!!), and the AI take a looooong time doing their moves.
To run this game you need a lot of patience, or a monster computer.
I have attached the next turn, but you can get the same result, only waiting... How long you must wait, will depend of your computer.

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Re: the "not responding" tag.

Windows will consider any program which does not refresh its window (or provide some sort of output) after 30 seconds or so, as "not responding". The tag has no further significance.
SE4 only updates the screen between AI turns ("Player x" message), and so easily triggers the "not responding" tag.

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Hang on a second! Are you saying the game is still working? All I have to do is let it keep running -- like go get a burger or something and it will eventually end the turn?

Please confirm. I was certain it was just plain stuck.

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QUOTE:
Hang on a second! Are you saying the game is still working? All I have to do is let it keep running -- like go get a burger or something and it will eventually end the turn?
/QUOTE

Correct. Just wait. On my P133 AI turns can take 10 minutes each or more in the late game. If you want to speed things up:
- get a fastr processor, or more memory.
- kill off a fw AIs or reduce their empires=-)
- play without fighters. They really slow down strategic combat.
- use smaller maps and less AIs.
- Be more patient http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Oh, and if you're getting a burger, I'll have a double bacon with cheese=-)


*dogscoff is now hungry...

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SE4 Code:
L GdY $ Fr- C- Sd T!+ Sf-- Tcp-- A% M>M+ MpD! RV Pw Fq+ Nd- Rp+ G-
/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages to generate your own code.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
The Aquilaeian and the Pyrochette are the big ones (I'm proud of my babies!!!),<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You should be! The Pyrochette are always pains in the @$$, but the Aquilaeian are superb. They are nearly always in first place in my games by a bunch (playing low tech start, large quadrant, high bonus), and are usually almost MEE. Their ship designs also give me more trouble than any others.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogscoff:
&lt;snip&gt;
On my P133 AI turns can take 10 minutes each or more in the late game. If you want to speed things up:
- get a fastr processor, or more memory.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me about it. I had a PII, 266MHz, 64M RAM, and turns in mid- to late- game were taking 5 minutes per major AI. Of course, I finally decided to get a new computer (P4, 2GHz, 256M RAM), and turns are FAST. Oh yeah, I'm running Windoze 2000 now too. Haven't had a chance to run a game long enough to see how stable it is, nor how long turns take in lategame, but still...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogscoff:
&lt;snip&gt;
Oh, and if you're getting a burger, I'll have a double bacon with cheese=-)


*dogscoff is now hungry...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again with the burgers... why not Thai food? Or Indian? (Oh, how I love curry...)

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L++ GdY $ Fr&gt;Fr++ C++ SdS T-- Sf Tcp? A%% M- Mp! RTH!P Pw Fq--&gt;Fq+ Nd&gt;Nd+++++ Rp++ G+

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Mmmm... Curry...


*dgscofs kyboad horts ut du t drool...

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SE4 Code:
L GdY $ Fr- C- Sd T!+ Sf-- Tcp-- A% M&gt;M+ MpD! RV Pw Fq+ Nd- Rp+ G-
/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages to generate your own code.