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Moon Pine March 14th, 2009 06:40 AM

AC-130 targeting
 
AC-130 could target ONLY one unit in a COMPLETE RUN in current version, and after the targeted unit destroyed, it just hovers around and wastes ammo on the wreck or empty tile:doh:

Could it auto-target another unit after the targeted unit destroyed in next version? I think it deserve this for its high cost and high risk.

I think it could be a good unit if with a cost reduce and auto-target other units ^^ as if so, it could wreck havok behind enemy line on some big map.

PanzerBob March 16th, 2009 03:12 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
You should not forget the suppression effects on the surrounding hexes.

Bob out:D

Ramm March 18th, 2009 01:25 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Pine (Post 679918)
AC-130 could target ONLY one unit in a COMPLETE RUN in current version, and after the targeted unit destroyed, it just hovers around and wastes ammo on the wreck or empty tile:doh:

Could it auto-target another unit after the targeted unit destroyed in next version? I think it deserve this for its high cost and high risk.

I think it could be a good unit if with a cost reduce and auto-target other units ^^ as if so, it could wreck havok behind enemy line on some big map.

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

Skirmisher March 18th, 2009 01:56 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
[quote=Ramm;680866]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Pine (Post 679918)

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

Wot's an autocannon? Sounds like a battlemech weapon.

Wdll March 18th, 2009 03:14 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
[quote=Skirmisher;680876]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680866)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Pine (Post 679918)

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

Wot's an autocannon? Sounds like a battlemech weapon.

Hmm, I thought about Space Marines.

Sniper23 March 18th, 2009 03:46 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680866)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Pine (Post 679918)
AC-130 could target ONLY one unit in a COMPLETE RUN in current version, and after the targeted unit destroyed, it just hovers around and wastes ammo on the wreck or empty tile:doh:

Could it auto-target another unit after the targeted unit destroyed in next version? I think it deserve this for its high cost and high risk.

I think it could be a good unit if with a cost reduce and auto-target other units ^^ as if so, it could wreck havok behind enemy line on some big map.

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

well with my battles with auto cannons they are very useful,but thats just my 2 cents :D

Ramm March 18th, 2009 05:04 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper23 (Post 680914)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680866)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Pine (Post 679918)
AC-130 could target ONLY one unit in a COMPLETE RUN in current version, and after the targeted unit destroyed, it just hovers around and wastes ammo on the wreck or empty tile:doh:

Could it auto-target another unit after the targeted unit destroyed in next version? I think it deserve this for its high cost and high risk.

I think it could be a good unit if with a cost reduce and auto-target other units ^^ as if so, it could wreck havok behind enemy line on some big map.

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

well with my battles with auto cannons they are very useful,but thats just my 2 cents :D

Please let me clarify myself. I do not mean that auto cannons are never usefull, I have used them to devastating effect at times the same as you have. I mean that they don't carry enough ammunition to justify their relitvly high cost and are therefor a waste of points.

Sincerly,
Andrew Nault

this godamn IE doesnt have spellcheck :mad: (I'm at work)

Marek_Tucan March 18th, 2009 05:24 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Autocannos are useful as they can annoy and frustrate helos.

Sniper23 March 18th, 2009 05:37 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680934)
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Originally Posted by Sniper23 (Post 680914)
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Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680866)

For precisely that reason I don't use them, they are a waste of points same as auto cannons are now.

well with my battles with auto cannons they are very useful,but thats just my 2 cents :D

Please let me clarify myself. I do not mean that auto cannons are never usefull, I have used them to devastating effect at times the same as you have. I mean that they don't carry enough ammunition to justify their relitvly high cost and are therefor a waste of points.

Sincerly,
Andrew Nault

this godamn IE doesnt have spellcheck :mad: (I'm at work)

well ive alwas used the bradly AFV,and it has alot of auto cannon rounds,but i agree with u most of them have very low round count,thats why i got ammo carriers right behind them :D

Ramm March 18th, 2009 07:00 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper23 (Post 680941)
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Originally Posted by Ramm (Post 680934)
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Originally Posted by Sniper23 (Post 680914)

well with my battles with auto cannons they are very useful,but thats just my 2 cents :D

Please let me clarify myself. I do not mean that auto cannons are never usefull, I have used them to devastating effect at times the same as you have. I mean that they don't carry enough ammunition to justify their relitvly high cost and are therefor a waste of points.

Sincerly,
Andrew Nault

this godamn IE doesnt have spellcheck :mad: (I'm at work)

well ive alwas used the bradly AFV,and it has alot of auto cannon rounds,but i agree with u most of them have very low round count,thats why i got ammo carriers right behind them :D

Your right about the Bradley, it actually does have enough ammo.

Thats a really good idea about the resupply :):up:

Imp March 18th, 2009 11:48 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Please let me clarify myself. I do not mean that auto cannons are never usefull, I have used them to devastating effect at times the same as you have. I mean that they don't carry enough ammunition to justify their relitvly high cost and are therefor a waste of points
We have gone off topic here but lets put things straight, firstly Andrew you have an unhealthy obsession with ammo.
Secondly why do many vehicles now carry them in place of MGs despite the fact they chew through ammo.
Better penetration & burst gives a good chance of a hit with decent fire control even vs a chopper.
They are deadly to infantry resulting in a quick kill, this means less casulties for you.
So sometimes they run out of ammo a bit quick but the enemy is in a mess, if they have a MG as back up thats fine, if not taking some APCs with MGs as backup might make sense.
My view give me something mounting a helicopter chaingun any day it smarts.
Good high tech stuff like the Swedish 904 (or something) now thats nice kills Russian MBTs from the flanks give me it over a Bradley any day. Thats just me though as prefer ATGMs on dedicated vehicles you can't play taxi & engage armour sort of a jack of no trade.
As a simple hard to beat in virtually any time frame OOB try the Brits as they do not muck about with changing force structure much. So similar force just Warriors instead of FV432s oh look at them run.
The chaingun now means IFVs are filling the tanks infantry support role & the tanks are hunting there counterparts

Imp March 19th, 2009 12:31 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Sorry I am not wishing to be negative I am just trying to point out that you are making purchase decisions based on to be frank weird ideas of what works. Try everything don't just discount stuff because you think it doesn't work. For example it was a long time before I tried light tanks why would I want something thats poorly armoured probably has poor FC compared to a MBT & struggles to kill one. Because they are cheap fast so can set up ambushes or get in place quick to take out troop transport stopping MBT getting distracted is why. You just don't go head to head with a MBT is all but you do get one with a flank shot while supporting your big brothers.

PanzerBob March 19th, 2009 01:40 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
I concur with IMP with regards to auto cannons. (which is general term for cannons with high rates of fire).:cool:

As for Gunships in general I think they work fine but you really must be up against an enemy with poor to no AAA or SAM capability or have killed those assets. I've used these on occasion and even though I didn't kill but one unit in the target area, the others were suppressed to the point it was a mop up operation only. Another point with Gunships is targeting, they will mostly kill everything in the designated target, just make sure the target hex you give it has a target, as Gunship will show up and move down trees and weeds exactly were you told them to fire.. These guys should be pricey as this is a very specialized kind of strike and certainly not for every battle situation.:D

My best Gunship strike was Puff the Magic Dragoon against troops in an area I wanted the put Marines ashore in their LTVP's and a few landing craft. I had two Puffs’ on call and had them hit two targets 150m away from each other and 50m inland. Once they finished with the area I had a landing area 500m wide with nothing but broken troops holding it, I lost not a single Marine and only one Puff drew fire leaving the scene. Pretty good value for the buck I thought.:D

How I have lost a few too, most because I wrongly assumed the EN AA capability! A slow circling target for a SA7 is easy meat!!:doh:

Bob out :cool:

Ramm March 19th, 2009 08:31 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
[quote=Imp;681018]Sorry I am not wishing to be negative I am just trying to point out that you are making purchase decisions based on to be frank weird ideas of what works. Try everything don't just discount stuff because you think it doesn't work. For example it was a long time before I tried light tanks why would I want something thats poorly armoured probably has poor FC compared to a MBT & struggles to kill one. Because they are cheap fast so can set up ambushes or get in place quick to take out troop transport stopping MBT getting distracted is why. You just don't go head to head with a MBT is all but you do get one with a flank shot while supporting your big brothers.[/QUOTE

no worries, I respect people who are frank. Consider the subject dropped.

Ramm March 19th, 2009 08:33 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PanzerBob (Post 681027)
I concur with IMP with regards to auto cannons. (which is general term for cannons with high rates of fire).:cool:

As for Gunships in general I think they work fine but you really must be up against an enemy with poor to no AAA or SAM capability or have killed those assets. I've used these on occasion and even though I didn't kill but one unit in the target area, the others were suppressed to the point it was a mop up operation only. Another point with Gunships is targeting, they will mostly kill everything in the designated target, just make sure the target hex you give it has a target, as Gunship will show up and move down trees and weeds exactly were you told them to fire.. These guys should be pricey as this is a very specialized kind of strike and certainly not for every battle situation.:D

My best Gunship strike was Puff the Magic Dragoon against troops in an area I wanted the put Marines ashore in their LTVP's and a few landing craft. I had two Puffs’ on call and had them hit two targets 150m away from each other and 50m inland. Once they finished with the area I had a landing area 500m wide with nothing but broken troops holding it, I lost not a single Marine and only one Puff drew fire leaving the scene. Pretty good value for the buck I thought.:D

How I have lost a few too, most because I wrongly assumed the EN AA capability! A slow circling target for a SA7 is easy meat!!:doh:

Bob out :cool:

Are the Americans the only ones that get to use the AC-130s? Just curious:)

Marek_Tucan March 19th, 2009 11:52 AM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
Nobody else operates it. Older AC-47 (Dakotas with MGs) are in few OOBs, but not AC-130.

DRG March 19th, 2009 02:30 PM

Re: AC-130 targeting
 
The ARVN OOB has them but they are there as US flown assets

Don


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