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OT: Enterprise New thread....
Since RIchard said it was ok, I am strating a new thread. Please stay on the subject of ST and the new Enterprise.
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watched 2nd show Last night.
I enjoyed it. Would post some stuff on it but that would be wrong and ruin it for those watching it tonight. P.S. anyone wants to see it eary. bird is echostar5. A-Channel Look forward to talking about it tomorrow. Their will be a lot of conversation about this one. ------------------ Inter arma silent leges |
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Does anyone know if there's a site with episode lists yet? I'd like to see a summary of what's in the 'pipeline' right now. Since I don't watch tv except for 'special' circumstances I won't see the previews inserted among commercials at other times.
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well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory. I am 99% sure warp has meant something different in each seriese (and in different episodes within each) although it MAY have been the same in TNG as it was in TOS.
now, stop me if im wrong here, but i thought there was supposed to be no video communication during the earth / romulan war? granted i did not watch the show very intently, nor did i see the second one if there has been one yet, but it seemed like they had a big viewscreen, and i dont remember if they were talking to aliens on it or not.. but there seem to be alot of technological descrepancies. for instance, i thought it was supposed to be all lasers and nuclear warheads? to further nitpick, i thought i remembered a TNG episode where Riker was assing up some first contact mission, and they talked about how the klingon war started when the humans met the klingons as a pre-warp civilization and screwed up the first contact procedures. is that all out the window now? |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory. I am 99% sure warp has meant something different in each seriese (and in different episodes within each) although it MAY have been the same in TNG as it was in TOS. now, stop me if im wrong here, but i thought there was supposed to be no video communication during the earth / romulan war? granted i did not watch the show very intently, nor did i see the second one if there has been one yet, but it seemed like they had a big viewscreen, and i dont remember if they were talking to aliens on it or not.. but there seem to be alot of technological descrepancies. for instance, i thought it was supposed to be all lasers and nuclear warheads? to further nitpick, i thought i remembered a TNG episode where Riker was assing up some first contact mission, and they talked about how the klingon war started when the humans met the klingons as a pre-warp civilization and screwed up the first contact procedures. is that all out the window now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, that's the essence of the beef against the management of Trek. The technology is not even consistent within a given series/generation of actors. Remember the food replicators in TOS? Yet, in ST V - set decades later - they had a 'galley' in the Enterprise where ordinary food had to be cooked. And, of course, any time they need something to be 'scarce' to further a story line it's 'difficult to replicate'. Now, if you can zap anything at all from point A to point B 25,000 miles away (isn't that the standard range limit of transporters?) there cannot logically be any problem with 'replicating' a substance once you've got the pattern from transporting it. Fans have been noticing this lame way of getting around lack of story ideas, and complaining, for a very long time. At least in the current series they can genuinely claim technical difficulties in replication... http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif The transporter is a new technology with uncertain effects. As far as the Romulans, they haven't contacted them yet. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Unless this occurs in the next episode? Anyway, maybe they just refuse video contact. The statement that they never had video contact doesn't mean in that case that it was not available, just that they didn't have it with the Romulans. I don't recall seeing the episode where Riker spoke of the first contact with the Klingons. |
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I think we were talking about warp drive distances and the races they showed.
This site gives the closest 26 stars to earth. all are with in 12 light years. http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/con...a/nearest.html At 200 times the speed of light per year, they would be able to reach Centauri in about 8 days. IF the Klingons lived 80 hours from Earth then warp 5 would have to be faster then 200 times the speed of light per year. To reach Centauri in 80 hours or 3.5 days we are looking at about 420 times the speed of light per year. Now if the klingons live beyond Centauri and Rigil (4.3 light years) then warp 5 would have to be faster then then that. This is if we try to use actual star systems in relation to the Earth. This is if my thinking is correct. I could be way off base. Riker is hosting the TNN allday TGN and he said by his time, that only 19% of the galaxy had been charted, not explored just charted. 17% during TOS. So even the volcan's charts were not that large. [This message has been edited by Dracus (edited 03 October 2001).] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Puke, I can't speak for Richard, but I don't think his comments were directed at you or that you contributed to the thread getting locked down. It just so happens yours was the Last post before he closed the thread. I read through your post and didn't see anything inflamatory in it. Geoschmo |
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Baron if you go to www.upn.com they list the next 2 shows with a intro.
4 hours until the next show. I will be back to post after I see it. |
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trektoday.com
is my home page at work. Yea I know. ------------------ Inter arma silent leges |
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Now activating Star Trek technology acceptance algorythm....
The whole warp speed inconsistency phenomenon is actually quite easy to explain: Since warp drive is warping space, the actual distance covered at a given warp speed varies depending on outside factors such as gravitational fields, energy fields, space dust, day of the week, phase of the moon, plot requirements, etc. Go ahead.... Prove me wrong! Now deactivating Star Trek technology acceptance algorythm.... And yes, I'll be watching it tonight. |
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I do remember an episode from next gen where they talked about how the first contact with the klingons was stuffed up.
It did not necesary say that humans stuffed it up if the vulcans had of turned up to the klingons like they did in first contact than that is probly how the vulcans stuffed up first contact. It would also explain why the vulcans are so cautious about letting he humans travel the cosmos. (But not really) and yes we all know that speed in startrek does not make sence just ignore it. ------------------ CyC The Person not the AI L+++ GdY $!+ Fr+ C--- S* T!- Sf++ Tcp++ A? M++ MpM RV Pw+ Fq++ Nd+++++ Rp++ G |
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ok what did you think.
The ships were cool again. ANd I liked the fact that space does not have the same laws as oceans. Liked the missles. Liked the dinner. This one seems more personal. But for the teck. If you want teck read the books. Or you will rub your eye balls in disbelief. But that is ok. I liked it. ------------------ Inter arma silent leges |
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Sorry for being vague, but no your post was fine.
I had just gotten to closing it up. ------------------ Sarge is coming... Richard Arnesen Director of Covert Ops Shrapnel Games http://www.shrapnelgames.com |
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Anyone else thing Porthos was a good addition to the story? It just makes it nice, and can possibly create amuseing plots later.
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My preferred episode lists--because they're pretty much sans trailers and I can just check when it's just a rerun--are at:
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sorry, im going OT from an OT thread here, but i was thinking about trek.. and i did used to like trek a great deal.. and i still do, but i use more salt these days.. but i was thinking about technological inconsistancies, and the person who suggested to read the books.
now, while i have no intention of reading any startrek books, I recently got done reading some good Military SF books, and the tech was GREAT. it made sense from our understanding of physics, there was a certain bull**** technobable level, but it was acceptable, and it was consistant, and it supported the plot. one of the books was _Redliners_ and among other things, they had some awfully nice grenades. both FAE and HE. now, these grenades could be set to detonate on the otherside of a wall, door, or piece of sheet metal after being fired thru said material. this, i thought was pretty sweet. I just got done thumbing through an article about our oversized-but-so-darn-cool OICW, and the integrated 20mm launcher can do the SAME THING.. well, minus the FAE. isnt that some cool stuff? we need some more good science fiction so we can develop better ways to kill people. well, sorry for the diVersion, just thought id share that bit of joy with you all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled topic. ------------------ "...the green, sticky spawn of the stars" (with apologies to H.P.L.) |
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I liked this one alot. THe way the missles worked and failed to work gave the sense of them still learning. The alien interaction was great.
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Barring major disaster, I believe this will be my favorite of the Trek series...My favorite character is quickly becoming the Comm Officer (Hoshi?), followed by the captain (and of course, the dog http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif..)
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I liked how the chief engineer did NOT want to spend all of his time in engineering, and how the comm officer did NOT want to go on the away mission. Only other time I've seen that kind of realistic human whining on ST was a Voyager episode where Janeway went on a mission with 3 misfits. But then we never saw those characters again, which was a shame -- everyone else was so earnest and capable. (gag) I'm not forgetting Q. A shallow, selfish, jerk -- so human. But he wasn't a crewman. Ditto with Quark. Oh, I did forget Reg! LOL! A neurotic crewman -- whoever thought him up should get an award. And ooops! How could I forget Bones? A cranky old guy who hates new-fangled tech. (Plus, with no sex appeal, yet he had a couple of love interests. Will we ever see anything like that again, I wonder? Why ARE all the non-alien/non-AI crewmembers so young and buff? Smacks of genetic engineering to me.)
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I didn't like how the two alien ships encountered both had WAY WAY higher tech level than Enterprise. How the heck did humans manage to put together the Federation, and be so dominant in it? They must have "Godlike" intel bonuses, or else the alien empires are run by circa 2001 AIs that trade good tech for worthless tech. Or maybe it's because we're walking aphrodisiac factories? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif
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what the heck do you mean Bones had no sex appeal? I thought he was 'distinguished.' one of the benefits of being a guy is that you get to age gracefully. and what space-girl can turn down a doctor? their mothers would be ashamed..
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I don't get the total hostility on the ship, but I really enjoy Enterprise already. I wonder how extensive are the Vulcans, or are most 'empires' just not in existence or no more than a few planets.
This show is so like Space empires in my estimation it's hilarious! The battle scenes so far have been great for that! I was sitting in the episode thinking..."Get that ship back to Earth and Analyze it for tech!!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif ------------------ That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dmm:
I didn't like how the two alien ships encountered both had WAY WAY higher tech level than Enterprise. How the heck did humans manage to put together the Federation, and be so dominant in it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This is not that far fetched when you take into account the whole of Trekdom. Historically the Human Race in Star Trek is always a little more eager than everybody else. More curious, always wanting to explore and expand into other regions. So far "Enterprise" is right on in this regard. So our ships usually get pasted in the first encounter with any new race. (Except those named Enterprise of course. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif ) We are always protected from anialation as a race by the fact that it's always on "their turf" and they never seem to come looking for us until we've managed to come up with a way to defend ourselves. Also in the generally accepted Trek history (as much as their is one) the Humans usually seem to have better engines, and worse weapons than anyone we meet. That allows us to keep the conflicts at a distance from Earth as well. Think of it in SEIV terms. It's a lot easier to wipe out other races explorer ships poking around your space than it is to send a fleet to wipe him out in his home system. At least early on anyway. Geoschmo |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I was sitting in the episode thinking..."Get that ship back to Earth and Analyze it for tech!!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking too http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. Then, seconds later, "Oops, too much damage: [seinfeld soup nazi]No shields for you!!"[/seinfeld soup nazi] http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
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I have really enjoyed the series so far. I think it has a lot of potential. Even the theme song doesn't seem so bad now after hearing it a few times. Look for a Klingon ship in next week's episode. I hope they come up with something interesting, in tune with the Enterprise...
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http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fi...r_flight.shtml
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fi...r_flight.shtml Warning. Funny. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that is funny. The fans seem to have the "routine" for the crew chemistry down already. The Archer/T'Pol/Tucker triad seems to be headed for the Kirk/Spock/McCoy treatment, too. |
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Had me laughing loudly for several minutes...I wondered what happened to those weapons from the first episode. Although they did miss...often. (Obviously Earth needs to develop combat sensor technology)
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Yeah, you'd think they would try the lasers, too, if they were that desperate. But you'd also think the Axanar ship would be able to guess that the ship that won't respond to his hail, and is attacking the other ship, is the villain. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif For that matter, is this likely to be a "new" thing? Wouldn't there be a history and the Axanar would already know if there's someone out their who thinks of them as a resource to be harvested? But this is television. They have to crank out stories very quickly and deliver their 22 episodes per season.
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Hah! That's what was bugging me about that episode. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was pecking at my subconscious.
It's like the two alien ships were ignoring each other until the Enterprise crew convinced the friendly aliens that it was the other guys who killed his people. Why did't they attack both ships as soon as they arrived? For that matter why didn't the bad guys open fire on them as soon as they arrived, instead of waiting a few minutes for the other ship to attack them? Was everybody onboard busy running the tractor beam and nobody bothered to look out at the ship approaching them? He he. That's funny. Geoschmo |
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It seems like the budget for this show is somewhat less than Voyager.
I hope it gets better as time goes on like the previous shows did. I think the opening music is terrible! Atleast we have a male Captain. |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
Even the theme song doesn't seem so bad now after hearing it a few times.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> die. |
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Well it's all personal opinion I guess, but the theme is most definetly NOT growing on me. If anything I disliked it more the second time I heard it. I do like the opening credits that play during the song though, as long as I plug my ears real tight. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Hah! That's what was bugging me about that episode. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was pecking at my subconscious. It's like the two alien ships were ignoring each other until the Enterprise crew convinced the friendly aliens that it was the other guys who killed his people. Why did't they attack both ships as soon as they arrived? For that matter why didn't the bad guys open fire on them as soon as they arrived, instead of waiting a few minutes for the other ship to attack them? Was everybody onboard busy running the tractor beam and nobody bothered to look out at the ship approaching them? He he. That's funny. Geoschmo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey, we haven't even gotten to the problem of how everyone in the galaxy knows what sort of signal to send for the Federation's video hardware. A video signal is very complex, though most people have forgotten this after decades of tv in every home, business, cardboard box in the alley, and whatnot. Ever wonder just how every new contact can give them a video signal in perfect synch, and their camera just happens to be sensitive to the same fragment of the EM spectrum that human eyes are designed for? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif FX: <Vogon Voice> "It's on file at the Galactic Video Standards Office!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif |
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At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urendi Maleldil:
At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. Please don't post unless you know what your talking about! :P |
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If you are refering to any kind of point of reference, yes any kind of intelegent life would be well "alian". Food who knows what they would requare. Shelter, would be a must. Beyond that let our imagination run wild. We have a hard time defining intelegence among our own species. My typos a case in point! LOL
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudshark:
If you are refering to any kind of point of reference, yes any kind of intelegent life would be well "alian". Food who knows what they would requare. Shelter, would be a must. Beyond that let our imagination run wild. We have a hard time defining intelegence among our own species. My typos a case in point! LOL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> "To me there is nothing but puerility in a tale in which the human form - and the local human passions and conditions and standards - are depicted as native to other worlds or other universes." -same source as my sig ------------------ "...the green, sticky spawn of the stars" (with apologies to H.P.L.) |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, its an optical illusion. The universal translator changes both the sound you hear and the image of the alien's mouth (if there is a mouth). http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
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Think they will do a time show where this crew goes forward in time and beats up on the BORG ????????????????
Magic 8 ball says ' most likely ' They will go 2 times around the sun. Since once will take them back in time. The only way I have been able to enjoy this show is to think that it is 1. a tv show 2. its a soap in space. 3. And then they add a little star trek to it. If I thought of the show in the other way Trek first. I would look like that famous picture of the woman screaming. I just hope in 4 years I will be looking back at this season and thinking. 'thank the writters that this show elvolved.' And I hope my spelling elvolves as well. ------------------ Inter arma silent leges |
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I was only joking, no need to take it so seriously.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I was only joking<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Me too. I guess we need a better joking smiley for the forum. I'll upgrade to the winking smiley for now ( http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif).
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Sorry, wasn't trying to be a wet blanket. Just wanted to make sure that we were joking, and that everybody understood that we were joking.
The Last thread kind of blew up over something that was intended to be humorous, I didn't want that to happen again. I'm sure it won't be the Last time I screw up. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Geoschmo |
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urendi Maleldil:
At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZeroAdunn: Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. Please don't post unless you know what your talking about! :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Zero, I am pretty sure you are joking here. IIRC the climax of episode two was all based around the fact that the Enterprise crew couln't communicate with the other ship captain. Urendi had a point here. I am not sure what you are basing your point on, Zero. But regardless of which point you agree with, I think we can safely say everyone is free to post on this forum regardless of whether or not they know anything about what they are talking about. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Let's not get this thread closed down too, ok? Geoschmo [This message has been edited by geoschmo (edited 09 October 2001).] |
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The next Star Trek show. WARNING SPOILER.
Actually no spoiler but don't read until you watch it Esp.3 STAR TREK GENERIC STORY #2 Zoom in on 2 characters you have never seen befor. Zoom out to strange new world Lets send an away mission insert crapy us vs vulcan arguement learn one of the new characters is a biologist. Select away mission. 2 new people and 4 regulars get where this story is going. Now you know the whole plot. Throw in the doctor and vola. Same old crapy story. Here is hoping the next esp. does not use STAR TREK GENERIC STORY #3 - virus. ------------------ Inter arma silent leges |
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The more and more I watch this show, the more I like it.
They follow no real rules of contact. They take blind risks. it appears that so far they are setting each show in two week blocks. the first show 80 hours, then the next show was 4 weeks since the left earth, then this show was 6 weeks since they left earth. The transporter not being able to take out the foriegn matter was a sign that it is still new tech. So far this show has been fun to watch. |
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It was kinda sad that everyone saw the plot twist coming. I think it would have been better if after the captain had told them all about the pollin (sp?) that they would have gone along with him, taken the drugs, and bam, the rock people were still there. Who would have seen that coming?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZeroAdunn:
It was kinda sad that everyone saw the plot twist coming. I think it would have been better if after the captain had told them all about the pollin (sp?) that they would have gone along with him, taken the drugs, and bam, the rock people were still there. Who would have seen that coming?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's funny. I was expecting it to happen that way. After the away team left the cave, the scene returns to the cave and the cave people pop out and look at each other and then fade to black. Enterprise leaves never knowing the planet was inhabited. Would have been kind of cool. Btw, my wife, who doesn't like trek, was in the room when it started Last night. She gave me this funny look and said, "Is that the theme song? That sucks!" There you have it. A non-biased opinion. The theme is just as bad as I thought it was. It wasn't just becasue it was different than what I as used to with Trek themes. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon10.gif Geoschmo |
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yea song sounds like a really bad college band that only gets air play in Canada. OLP comes to mind. Alt-Jock-Rock should stick to stadiums, bars and what they call ALT Radio.
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didnt offend me. of course, if you consider that i usually go around offending people, you may have attained your goal.
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