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NTJedi

April 13th, 2009 01:51 AM

TOUGH Modding Questions

These are what I consider some tough modding questions, but hopefully the veterans will know.

1) Can you add a ranged weapon as a secondary effect for a melee weapon?
So far it's not working. The reason is so I could have an effect which only occurs once every two turns or even less frequently.

2) How can I create a spell which drops a long range assassin already in stealth on an enemies province?
I know the wild boar spell already drops an independent stealthy unit which needs to be found. I would like to create a similiar spell which drops an assassin owned by the caster and without the wild boar event pop_up message.

3) Has anyone tried using the RAND command?
I found RAND was one of the hidden commands... which has me very interested since it's probably used for RANDOM percentages. I've tried a few modding combinations using RAND yet no luck. Probably doesn't exist per Ich

lch	April 13th, 2009 02:36 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTJedi (Post 685493)

I found RAND was one of the hidden commands...

Found how? It's not in the strings table, it is not being parsed by the game.

NTJedi

April 13th, 2009 02:46 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 685494)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTJedi (Post 685493)

I found RAND was one of the hidden commands...

Found how? It's not in the strings table, it is not being parsed by the game.

Found from the list of strings you posted on 10-25-07, 02:58 PM:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...highlight=rand

Perhaps I read the thread too quickly.

lch	April 13th, 2009 03:05 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTJedi (Post 685496)

Found from the list of strings you posted on 10-25-07, 02:58 PM:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...highlight=rand

Ah. That was just single words from the strings table, of random text found in the game binary. Those can be used for entirely different things, like "randgod" is used as a debug message, for example.

At the moment I don't have the complete list of mod commands that are being parsed. But here is the table of complete map commands that are actually being parsed:

Code:

additem

allies

allowedplayer

bodyguards

cannotwin

clearmagic

commander

comname

computerplayer

defaultmapzoom

defence

defense

description

dom2title

dominionstr

domversion

feature

features

fort

god

imagefile

independents

killfeatures

knownfeature

lab

land

landname

mag_air

mag_astral

mag_blood

mag_death

mag_earth

mag_fire

mag_nature

mag_priest

mag_water

maptextcol

neighbor

neighbour

nohomelandnames

nonamefilter

nostart

owner

players

poptype

population

randomequip

scale_chaos

scale_cold

scale_death

scale_lazy

scale_unluck

scale_unmagic

scenario

setland

specstart

start

startspell

temple

terrain

title

units

unrest

victorycondition

victorypoints

wraparound

xp

NTJedi

April 13th, 2009 03:31 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Thanks Ich... this answers one of my questions.

lch	April 13th, 2009 03:55 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

So, here are all the mod commands that are being parsed by the game:

Spells

Code:

aoe

clear

copyspell

damage

descr

effect

end

explspr

fatiguecost

flightspr

name

newspell

nextspell

nreff

path

pathlevel

precision

range

researchlevel

restricted

school

selectspell

sound

spec

Items

Code:

armor

constlevel

copyspr

descr

end

mainlevel

mainpath

name

newitem

secondarylevel

secondarypath

selectitem

type

weapon

Nametypes

Code:

addname

clear

end

selectnametype

Nations

Code:

addreccom

addrecunit

autoundead

bloodnation

brief

castleprod

clearnation

clearrec

clearsites

color

deepfort

defaultfort

defcom1

defcom2

defmult1

defmult1b

defmult2

defmult2b

defunit1

defunit1b

defunit2

defunit2b

descr

domkill

domunrest

dyingdom

end

epithet

era

farmfort

flag

forestfort

hero1

hero2

hero3

hero4

hero5

hero6

horsereanim

idealcold

indepflag

labcost

manikinreanim

mountainfort

multihero1

multihero2

name

nametype

nodeathsupply

nopreach

sacrificedom

selectnation

startcom

startfort

startscout

startsite

startunitnbrs1

startunitnbrs2

startunittype1

startunittype2

summary

swampfort

templecost

templepic

tombwyrmreanim

uwfort

uwnation

wightreanim

zombiereanim

Sites

Code:

clear

com

decscale

end

gems

gold

homecom

homemon

incscale

level

loc

mon

name

newsite

path

rarity

res

selectsite

Misc

Code:

coldincome

coldsupply

deathdeath

deathincome

deathsupply

eventisrare

luckevents

misfortune

poppergold

researchscale

resourcemult

slothincome

slothresources

supplymult

turmoilevents

turmoilincome

unresthalfinc

unresthalfres

Aezeal

April 13th, 2009 05:26 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

NT, I don't have teh DB/spell Db here now but basicly you can just look in that one and use the spelleffect numbers from a spell that matches. I've not tries a remote assassin yet but for other spells it works well. If you know what spell you want to base it on it should be pretty easy to look up and just change the damage number in the unit you want there.

But as I said I've not actually tried it.. it worked for regular summon and a combination of friendly farsummons though.

While looking through the spell DB I noticed there are acutally a few spells which I though where pretty much alike with different spelleffect numbers so you might want to look at the exact spell you want to replicate.

Aezeal

April 13th, 2009 05:27 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

and on 1 I'd guess it's not possible certainly if you've already tried it a bit (I don't think there would be many way's you could code it so if it doesn't work it probably just doesn't work)

NTJedi

April 13th, 2009 01:47 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aezeal (Post 685516)

I could copy the wild boar spell, but how would I make sure the owner will not be independent also how would I prevent the pop-up event message associated.
Another angle to workaround the above two problems would be how could I make the commander land within an enemy province already in stealth mode.

Aezeal

April 13th, 2009 03:34 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

nono not COPY the spell use the CODE that is given in the spell DB. But if the wild boar is neutral and you want a NOT neutral summon than you can;t look at his CODE since then you'll just get another indep summon I'd say. You need to use a code that gives the result you want, so use it of a spells that does what you want.
PS I've got no idea where the messages go so maybe that is unavoidable anyway.

Aezeal

April 13th, 2009 03:44 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

For example.

The spell monster boar has:
effect 10042 (the same as dream horror btw, I think they are both indep stealth spells right, never used them)

10000 means ritual, and 42 means send event

the damage is 11 and 12 on those spells which means that the damage CANNOT mean the unit number which it usually is with summon spells.

I guess that means you can't just replace a unit number and use the same effect.

The send assassin spells use 10050 (eg send tupilak (don't know that one) and infernal disease (never used it htough) and there you can use a unit number as damage (I think).. but then you would just have a remote assasin spell not one hidden.

rdonj

April 17th, 2009 05:43 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

A friend of mine is having a weird problem with one of his mods.

Code:

#newmonster 2702

#name "Lesser Daemon"

#copyspr 1268

#descr "A low level daemon."

#ap 12

#mapmove 2

#hp 12

#prot 0

#size 2

#str 11

#enc 3

#att 10

#def 10

#prec 10

#mr 10

#mor 10

#gcost 10

#rcost 0

#weapon 601

#Weapon 627

#armor "Four Word Long Name"

#armor "Four Word Long Name"

#maxage 400

#fireres 60

#neednoteat

#demon

#okleader

#nomagicleader

#noundeadleader

#nametype 102

#end

The problem with this unit is that it is supposed to be dual wielding, but when you look at it in game it can only use one weapon. We've tried a number of things to make it work but we can't figure out any way for it to dual wield, no matter what weapons we try to give it. Is the problem somewhere in its stats? Where else should we be looking to try and fix this problem? Any help would be appreciated, this is driving us crazy....

NTJedi

April 17th, 2009 06:18 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

looks like it needs #ambidextrous 1

rdonj

April 17th, 2009 06:22 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Tried it... doesn't help :(

Aezeal

April 17th, 2009 07:28 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

is any of those armors a shield? is any of the weapons 2 handed? does something else show up whcih would occupy a hand?

Aezeal

April 17th, 2009 08:07 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

#newitem
#name "Blaster"
#descr "The blaster is a basic ranged weapon used all around the galaxy."
#constlevel 0
#mainpath 3
#mainlevel 1
#secondarypath -1
#type 3
#weapon 701
#copyspr 16
#end

why is this not showing I wonder (the copyspr is a copy of just mans cross since Ivé not seen a command to add new sprites)

it's level 0, earth magic so should show and be forgable by any with earth magic and a few gems.. doesn't show though.

rdonj

April 17th, 2009 08:13 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aezeal (Post 686412)

is any of those armors a shield? is any of the weapons 2 handed? does something else show up whcih would occupy a hand?

Nope, it's a helmet and body armor. The weapons are both one handed, and we've tried using vanilla weapons in their place. For example, giving the unit a spear and a dagger makes it use just a spear. It's also not a conflict with other mods, we made sure to rule that out early.

Calchet

April 17th, 2009 09:04 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

You capitalised the "W" of the second #weapon, though I dunno if that'd cause it to not work. Try making it lower-case, either way.

Let's see... perhaps it might be connected to itemslots somehow? Try assigning a value with two or more hand slots and see if that works.

Other than these things, I can only suggest you refer to the weapons by name rather than number, as that's what I've always done, though I don't think that'd cause problems.

I also pasted a random unit from a mod of mine that properly dual-wields one-handed weapons below, in case you can spot any differences I've missed.

Code:

#newmonster 2905

#spr1 "./fate/archer_2.tga"

#spr2 "./fate/archer_2_attack.tga"

#name "Archer"

#descr "A hero of myth or legend summoned to do fight at your side. Archer is not a class suited for melee combat, and this individual is no exception. He serves best off the battle field, and has the ability to create magical items with almost no materials by pulling them from an internal 'world'. When forced to do battle, he fights using a pair of flawless blades created anew for each attack, and a magical shield likewise 'projected' to block most missiles. He has unrivalled precision, as befitting his class."

#onebattlespell "Air Shield"

#ap 20

#mapmove 2

#hp 70

#prot 4

#size 2

#unique

#str 11

#enc 1

#att 17

#def 20

#prec 33

#mr 15

#mor 30

#gcost 0

#rcost 0

#weapon "Kanshou"

#weapon "Bakuya"

#armor "Coat"

#eyes 2

#startage 40

#maxage 370

#ambidextrous 12

#forgebonus 100

#coldres 25

#fireres 25

#shockres 100

#poisonres 25

#itemslots 15494

#magicskill 0 3

#magicskill 1 3

#magicskill 2 2

#magicskill 3 3

#poorleader

#poormagicleader

#noundeadleader

#end

Burnsaber

April 17th, 2009 10:55 PM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

It's the capital letter "W" in the second "Weapon" - line. Lowercase it (to "#weapon"), and then it should work.

I've been struck by this multiple times.

Aezeal

April 18th, 2009 05:00 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

anyway is there really no way to get a new sprite in for the weapons... I mean.. there isn't really anything that really looks like a gun of any kind in the game.

and I still like to know why it doesn't work :D

rdonj

April 18th, 2009 05:08 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

Well, you guys were right, that fixed it. I would feel like such an idiot right now, except for the fact that I was staring at it in notepad and the capital W looks almost identical to the lower case W in that program under default font. So thanks for helping me out with that. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes really comes in handy.

Aezeal - Didn't you at one point have an item called "repair droids" or some such? I know I saw it as a forgable item, I think it was an earth item also. So I'm not sure why it wouldn't even show up. I have no idea about your other question.

Aezeal

April 18th, 2009 05:43 AM

Re: TOUGH Modding Questions

repair droids is a ring of regen with a namechange.

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