Summoning Healer Commanders
 

What are some of the Healer Commanders that you can summon?

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Faerie Queen is pretty much the only one. You can wish for some others, like Mother of Serpents, Priestess and some others. Caelum has one or two unique summonables in the Spentas.

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Seems as if you are going to wish for a healer you might as well wish for an arco priestess. 100 healer....

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I doubt it makes sense wishing for a healer that you'll have to GoR after that. Better wish for chalice if you need to heal someone or cast GoH.

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There're some national summons that may heal. For example, Hinnom/Ashdod/Gath have Arel who is a pretty good healer.

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Ano's got it right. But besides the few national summons and faerie queen, wishing is the only way to get healers.

So is the Mother of Serpents and she's a SC chassis on top of that, not nearly as fragile as a priestess.

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well actually there are also healer heros for some nations. Sauro gets a hero who's a healer. kinda goes with unique summons that ano mentioned

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No, it makes sense to Wish for a (100) Healer if there is another nation that is Wishing the Chalice back. Talking about a whole lot of pearls, but if you can't expect the Chalice to hang around, this is the other option.

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Course, I'd be hard pressed to think of a time I ever would (wish for a healer - faerie queens are just a better deal).

Speaking of healers - did hinnom's healer get *better*?
I remember her being like heal 20... latest past she's a heal 50 which is down right up right.

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Well FQ are Heal (30), for 50N, isn't it? If you're clamming and perhaps slim on N income to begin with, 50 a pop will drain you fast. But for the investment, you could have the Lady of Serpents with Heal (100), a potential SC, and hordes of free-spawn chaff serpents while she sits in your highest dominion.

Honestly, I think FQ are a pretty crappy deal, for the most part. :(

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FQ is a nature entry into air. Plus elf archers.

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They give nature nations like Pangea Fog Warriors, which they desperately, desperately need once Mass Protection starts to not be good enough.

Jazzepi

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Then she isn't doing much healing if she's being used for that, is she?

It all depends on what you need to do, but if you can't recruit healers and you need a durable, reliable 100 healer, the Mother of Serpents is the way to go.

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TNX :)

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Fog Warriors? As per Edi's comment, that is not Healing either. ;) I didn't say the FQ is useless - but they are a crappy deal for a Healer.

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I think most healers are crappy deals for healers, because honestly, what do you need healers for anyways? Maybe elephants? Or if your SC gets a bad break? Maybe to unfeeble-mind some of your retarded mind hunters? Or to fight off old age for crones for MA Man.

But really the game would need some cheap summons for healers to get that effect out of them.

Jazzepi

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I thought you couldn't heal old age afflictions?

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Gift of Health and the Chalice can heal old-age afflictions. that's it.

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Another good time to have healers is when you're fighting MA C'tis. That can save all sorts of grief.

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Experienced troops tend to eventually accumulate afflictions. Once you remove those afflictions from the quality stuff that has between 2 and 4 stars, they start looking all kinds of unpleasant from the enemy's point of view.

"Haha, he's only sending normal chaff against me!"
*whack*
"OWWW!"

Assuming you can protect those troops, of course. This has more significance in SP games than MP, I guess, but the impact can be pretty big in SP at least. It is even more pronounced for nations that rely heavily on sacreds, especially durable sacreds. Such as Lanka, Niefel, Fomoria and a few others.

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Slightly Off Topic, but here I go...

Haven't actually ever thought about using Mother of Serpents as a target for wish, have to keep that in mind :) Other than that, Mother of Serpents as pretender chassis is pretty nice if you go for Tartarians in a sort of sneaky way. With high enough D paths she can summon a Tartarian, next turn heal it, then summon another, heal it etc. You won't have lots of Tartarians fast, but you'll be guaranteed to have them all without afflictions :)

Also, I had in one SP game a 16 strong Knights of the Chalice unit, each with 4 star experience. I had GoH up, and that unit simply did kick butt (but then again, what doesn't in SP...), and I'd really want to see a similar unit in a MP someday :)

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Unless there's something special about the Mother of Serpents healing, she shouldn't be able to heal Tartarians. The normal healing skill doesn't work on undead.

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Ah right, damn. There went that plan :( I could have been ready say an oath I had this working some time in the past, but don't actually now I actually don't remember if it was or when it was...

I need a new memory chip to my brain. The old one doesn't function properly anymore.

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Now I understand why the "Faerie Queen healing Tarts" tests I kept running gave the most dismal results possible.

And a bit off topic / on topic. One of my most prized possessions ever was a 4* unwounded Maenad. Didn't think such a thing was possible! But she didn't get any speical treatment, and got killed like all the rest in a freak thunderstrike shortly afterwards.

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As Edi said, if you've got troops that tend not to die much (typically giants), it can be very worthwhile clearing afflictions. If a fairy queen is all you have to work with, it can still be worth it.

The other key thing is disease: leprosy spell, harvester of souls, bane venom charm. Particularly as I seemed to experience it the disease-spreading effect from the latter two seems to take effect after movement but BEFORE patrol tests. Thus if the offender so much as reaches a valuable province like your capital, even if caught it can potentially damage a lot of units such as cap-only mages and your god.

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Nice, I didn't know this. So you also need good patrols around your capital.

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Well if they try to walk it there, you should have advanced warning..... if they fly or tele, you're just screwed.

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really? i didn't know this. what units have the non-normal healing as oppossed to "normal" healing?

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Badly phrased, perhaps.

As far as I know, all units with healing skill have the same "normal" ability. I've been caught out enough times that I was allowing for the possibility he'd tested the Mother of Serpents healing Tartarians.

I know of no way to heal undead or old age other than the Gift of Health or the Chalice.

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oh ok i see what you mean.

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To heal old age affliction one can just remove the old age and heal. Granted, applicable only in special cases. Either by increasing Nature magic (Mace, empowerment) or Rejuvenation (Blood).

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would Boots of Youth + healing work??

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No, they just stop aging and prevent future old age afflictions. You need to actually get the age below old age threshold by Rejuvenation (reduces age) or increasing nature magic (increases old age threshold) before the healing works.

For most healing related issues, see FAQ.

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Does healing work on battle afflictions gained by an old unit?

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Good question. Just wanted to ask it myself...
If I understood you right, Edi, old age tag on a unit means that no afflictions can be healed. Is it really so? I'm facing this currently in one game - trying to heal two old mages with no success (I manually diseased them).

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Yes. I've had old units heal successfully.

I'm guessing afflictions have a binary flag for old age. If the flag is set, it can't be healed until the unit is no longer old, while afflictions gained in battle can be healed.

ano, how many attempts and what caused the disease?

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Several turns with 3 or 4 Arco priestesses attempting to heal 2 Adepts of Silver Order. I manually diseased them with Fever Fetish (it was once said that golems are more likely to ignore "Returning" script if the "magic dueler" you send against them has low HP).
Will test it today for more exact results.

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Just tested it. 6 arco pristesses trying to heal 3 Bakemono Sorcerers (diseased with fever fetish and then removed it) for 6 turns with no success. No wound was healed.
It looks quite obvious and it seems that Leprosy is really a terrifying spell for nations with cap-only old mages.

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Item based afflictions are dicey. I have no idea how they count.

A better test is if you put Chillsick Swamp, Crown of Darkness, Leper Fens and Inkpot end in the province where you have the old mages. Once they get disease, move them to a province next door with the priestesses and see if you can heal the affliction, because that disease is guaranteed to be normal. The test will be more reliable.

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The other obvious test would be to use the Fetishes to disease young commanders and see if those can be healed.

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thejeff
Of course they are. I always do so.

Edi
Will do it in the evening but I'm pretty sure what the results will be:). thejeff is absolutely right about healing non-old commanders diseased by fetishes. They are healed easily.

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There's also a Nature site IIRC which lets you recruit healers with some crazy Greek name.

-Max

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Yeah, they're the LA Pythian healers, IIRC.