extra crews
 

I am not sure if I am missing something, if this is a glitch or whatever. I noticed that even after repairing all my units in a PBEM campaign, I have some crews attached to formations (some of them with experience too). If I try to delete them then I risk disbanding the whole platoon. Have I done something wrong or what?

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Only thing I can think of is the obvious. Surviving crews from "core" tanks or other "crewed" weapon system that "bailed out" during battle? Did you bail out any crews during the previus battle?

And on the lighter side... I thought the thread's title was "extra Screws" :) must change glasses ......

Re: extra crews
 

1- what version of the game are you playing ?

2- A save game that shows us an example of this would be , as we say over and over and over....., a very nice thing to have.



Don

Re: extra crews
 

I think this is the file I received when I was to make repairs.

My side is Greece.
We have now started our next battle.
Also, the other player said to me that he too had them.

Version 4.5

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Tis me I have 3 rogue crews, 2 tank & 1 APC turn provided if needed they appeared or I noticed them right towards the end of the last battle. Not visible on map but using N key selected making me aware of.
This may be my fault after having seen a post used the W key to assign some APCs to diffrent formations. This may have caused the problem as never had it or used W before did not however reasign tanks. I do not have any old saves my system hard deletes them though may be able to retrieve from emails as think its a soft delete.

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I never used the W key or did anything out of default purchases/formations.
As for my extra crew, they appear underneath various platoons. Mechinf, Tanks, ATGMs (vehicle), artillery. And they did appear in the deployment phase IIRC.

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There does seem to be a problem here. I pressed "repair all" and had points left over, and the crews are appearing for some formations.

(It may have something to do with the 190 odds units, with 71 platoons, many of them single unit platoons, and no company level HQs at all .. )

Did you sell any core formations at any point?

Andy

Re: extra crews
 

Hmm, I might have deleted a formation at the very first purchase of units of this campaign, but not after that.

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I would also like your save game at the turn just before game end - as some of these formations with added crews, just don't seem to have had anyone destroyed in the battle.

Andy

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I had a few crews from the previous battle too.

Anyway, I think this is the file, let me know if it isn't.

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OK - you already are carrying these crews that have appeared from somewhere. Pzh200 troops F, H, BMP platoon L for example, none of which have any abandoned or destroyed vehicles.

I presume you have just voluntarily retreated everything off the map - since no units are on there to select, but most are not destroyed. (Helpful if such things are mentioned).

Now - I recall that you were the one reporting "ghost crews" in the previous version of the game.

Is this the same game, carried over or a game started in 4.5?.

If it is a game played entirely in 4.5, then it can be investigated. But, if it is a carry-over game started in a previous version, it is useless. You already had ghost crews in that game, and these are likely the same guys.

IF it is a 4.5 game, then I would need the first game turn where these "extra" crews appeared. Ghost crews were fixed in 4.5.

If it was not started under 4.5 - then restart your campaign under 4.5 since the ghost crew problem was fixed, but any previous version game will have these guys as part of your core now. Or continue with it, converting these pre-4.5 extra crews to something useful.

Andy

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It is not the same game. Or even against the same player. It's a fresh installation of 4.5 Although 4.0 is still installed elsewhere on the same machine. I don't know how to uninstall it alone.

So, it is version 4.5
As to when exactly they appeared, I don't remember so it is kind of impossible for me to help on that. :(

Is it possible that the two versions conflict with each other although they are installed in different directories?

Also, the other player, Imp, said he has crews as well.

Re: extra crews
 

4.5 is supported - and the problem was supposed to be fixed. having 4.0 in a separate installation will have no adverse effects.

So far, we have no reports on this problem in WW2, and in MBT only your games seem to have these problems. None of my own quick tests managed to get this effect either.

So - it is a matter of finding out what exactly you did to make these extra crews appear.

For example - just as a wild guess - did you perhaps sell off an unrepaired core formation that had destroyed vehicles?

When did these Pzh 2000 SPA platoons get destroyed - if at all?.
I really want to see the save before these extras arrived, and the save after.

Andy

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I did not sell any unrepaired units. The PZH2000 were destroyed, 2 or 3 of them IIRC.

I don't keep save files for long, unless i forget it. I don't think I have any more left of this or previous battles of this campaign. Unless Imp has copies of the files he sends me.

Re: extra crews
 

I think what has happened as you said is a unit has been sold off that has been destroyed but crews survived. As I W keyed APCs I just sold the single APC left in the platoon at the end of the game, fairly sure before repairing while remembered to. There have been an awful lot of unit switches in this game the easiest solution might be to leave & see if occurs again in a new game when start. I will save games from now on namely start & end battle saves plus original deploy. Or can do the whole game

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You know, it is getting tiring to have to repeat myself over this. I did not sell any vehicle or other unit apart from the very very very first purchase of the campaign that i might have done so when choosing my initial force. I hope it is clear enough.
Since Imp did what he says, would that also affect my units in the same way? That would be interesting.

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It may be some strange interaction with his crews becoming the orphans and getting attached to you if the game loses track. But I really need a save of before and after they appear - and then to know precisely what both of you did really.

Whatever it is, once found the answer will be simple (probably), it is just finding what precisely did the trick in the first place that is the problem.

Only you two have reported this AFAIK - there have been no reports of the phenomenon in WW2 and none in MBT bar yours.

So we have to determine what is happening, and whatever it is that you two seem to be doing :)!.

Could be anything - maybe it is the 90 odds platoons you have under A0, with absolutely no company HQs?. How you treat destroyed units on the fix screen?. Previous battles of yours I have looked at seem to have rather high rates of destroyed units - maybe that is it?.

But we wont know till we track it down and stomp that bug. So when you start a new campaign, keep all your turns zip files so I can back track if needed.

Andy

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Will do folder set up