Your Top 10 Super Combatant Builds
 

List your Super Combatant and build:

Example:
(My number one)(for SP mode)

Golem
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Enchanted Sword
Lucky Coin
Astral Cap (forgot the name it gives +1A)
Robe of Shadows (I think thats what its called)
Anti-magic Ammulet
Optional Equipment: (Depending on what nation im playing)
Bottle of Living Water
or
Dancing Blades
Quickening Boots

I ususally have the golem cast Astral Shield
and attack rear
Works great against chaff units.
I only use Astral gems to summon it and equip it.
Wich I always have because of arcane nexus. :)

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Golem
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A brand
Gold shield
Astral cap
Marble armor
Boots of quickness
Anti-magic amulet
Girdle of might

in the rear, script: personal luck, body ethereal, 3 x hold, attack


Seraph
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Frost brand
Vine shield
Rime hauberk
Boots of messenger
Anti-magic amulet
Amulet of resilience

in the rear, script: phoenix pyre, personal luck, 3 more buffs depending on opposition, cast spells

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Air Tartarian Cyclops:

Flambeau or fire brand/faithful
rainbow armor
dragon helm
quickness boots
antimagic amulet
regen ring

script 5 of: summon earthpower, resist lightning, mirror image, mistform, invuln, iron will, summon storm power. With a support army for fog warriors and antimagic iron will and mistform aren't needed, so the other 5 go, otherwise cutting summon storm power is a given, and the last spot is between lightning res, mistform and invuln in terms of overall usefulness.

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When I get those guys I only think rain of stones.

Air Tartarian Cyclops:
armor of virtue, ama, optionally ring of regen for afflictions, optionally storm stuff
4 earth gems
script 2 x rain of stones

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I thought Tartarians couldn't benefit from regeneration because they're undead.

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3 earth gems is enough, no need to waste.

Anit Tart SC

-----Golem

Holy Scourge
Astral Cap
Jade Armor
Stone Bird
Anitimagic Amulet
Winged Shoes

Attack Tartarian!

Tartarians do benefit from regeneration, lifeless undead don't.

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@Ynglaur

Undead can, lifeless stuff (Golems) can't.

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Nice! Thanks!

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I don't know if three earth gems is enough, as tartarian has E3 and can spend all three on his first casting. If you tested it, then ok, but I'd take four just to be safe.

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That is actually similar to the build I use, just you only have 22MR with no place for rainbow armor and taking the staff of storms instead of lead shield to protect from those mind hunts.

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Rudra:
Skull Staff, Brand, Shield of Gleaming Gold
Horned Helm
Hydra Skin Armor
Boots of the Messenger
Amulet of MR

Script Blessing (you'll want at least minor earth/nature), Soul Vortex, Phoenix Pyre, hold x2, attack rear. Add Mistform or Mirror Image as necessary, and you have a whole host of other buffs available if the situation calls for one. Best deployed with one Rudra holding a Staff of Storms and S3 mages to cast Luck and Body Ethereal and a H3 divne blesser, but you can get away with less.

Alternately:
Brand, Flambeau/Gate Cleaver, Vine Shield
Skullface
Chain Mail of Displacement
Boots of the Messenger
Amulet of MR

Same script. If you deploy as purely anti-thug or anti-SC, the death booster is unnecessary since you need first strike and you'd be better served with a horned helm.


Of course these builds aren't perfect, either would be great with Rainbow Armor to defend vs Mind Hunt and the like. You'll definitely need a N minor bless in that case, and W wouldn't hurt either.

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P-A-Z-U-Z-U

and some gear like mage bane, the medusa shield (pietrify), some rings to regen or protect him from fire or other

I am playing this guy in a solo game. :):shock:

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For cost-effectiveness and mobility, I really like:

Hashmal (21 gems) (E10/N6 bless)
Shadow Brand (10D/5E)
Lucky Coin (10S)
Bracers of Protection x2 (10E)

[Blessing, Blessing, Attack Rearmost]

I also love Wraith Lords.

Wraith Lord (40 gems IIRC)
Fire Brand (5F/5E)
Shield of Gleaming Gold (5F/5E)
Lucky Pendant (5S)
Optional: Winged Boots (10A)
Free slots can be used for resists

[Soul Vortex, Attack Large Enemy Monsters]

Another cost-effective, Ashdod-only option is the Zamzummite:

3D1E1F Zamzummite (310 gold)
Robe of Shadows (10S)
Skull of Fire (5F/5D)
Lucky Pendant (10S)
Optional: Gate Cleaver (15E) for castle-cracking.

[Blessing, Ironskin, Phoenix Pyre, hold, Soul Vortex, Attack Rearmost]

-Max

Not a sc build but a suitable question ... read a lot that an alternative to tartarian scs are the elemental royalty. This are lvl 8 summons, aren't they ? Are they good as anti-scs or vs armies and what would be good equipment for them ?

mighty_scoop

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I actually like my Hashmal even more cost-effective and just use a Lucky Pendant + Bracer of Protection for equipment.

IMHO, Hashmals are the perfect PD killers due to awe + ethereal, but those abilities really suck when facing opposing thugs or mages. Whne facing any kind of planned opposition, they go *boof*, no matter the equipment. Since they're so vulnerable to them already, I try to keep them as cheap as possible and use their numbers and mobility as a sudden strike raiding force. This is especially good if you hav ehold of an conjuration bonus site. Equipping them with a weapon is a waste, they already have a perfectly good area attack (unless facing abyssians). So well, my version:

Raiding Hashmal

Hashmal (21 gems) (E10/N6 bless)
Lucky Pendant (5 astral)
Bracers of Protection x1 (5E)

[Blessing, Blessing, Holy Avenger, Hold, Hold, Attack Archers]*

*Place at the very back of the battlefield.

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I think they are weak anti-SC builds. I think they're best as solo raiders or for casting big BF spells. Only the Air Queens can "ambush" enemies by using Cloud Trapeze. It's also a real pain getting any of the others to fly, as the common way is winged boots and none have boot slots. You'll definitely want to give them more MR, and probably a touch of reinvigoration. Some would benefit from regeneration. The frailer ones might need heavier armour, the ones with decent natural protec can get away with weaker stuff around 10. Basic sort of idea as any SC after that really. Resistance against whatever they're likely to face, and - probably - an area effect weapon like a fire brand. If you just want to use them as battlefield spellpower support, you'd probably get away with just +MR and reivigoration.

Water Queens are awesome in the sea. Not so many HP (60 or so), but massive regeneration. Out of the sea, not so great. They'll do well as combat raiders.

Earth Kings are good. Over 100HP, regenerating, high natural protection. Arguably the best, and the likeliest to be able to take on a Tartarian and win. Also can go underwater.

Air Queens are good but fragile. About 50HP, and ethereal. This means they're lethal going through troops, but as mistform is cancelled and ethereality ineffective against magic damage, they're at risk of death in a few hits from a big thug/SC or spells.

Fire Kings are generally considered the weakest. A big advantage is they can cast Phoenix Pyre, take a big fatigue hit but will reappear on the BF alive as long as fatigue is under 100. They're quite different. One is pretty tough (but not as so as an Earth King), the other is 50HP ethereal.

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Air queens can be good anti-SCs against anything that is not lightning immune. Try this: attack one turn, orb lightning. It will most likely turn your opponent SC's fatigue over 100 (maybe with an aid of one air booster or summon stormpower). Even luck doesn't help against this fatigue damage.

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I mostly agree - the limitation is that if you've got air queens, you're likely a powerful air nation and anyone halfway sensible sending SCs against you will have 100% shock resistance.

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The Djinn is pretty fun. He can get heroic abilities. Doesn't need much in the way of gear, which is good because you never know when another nation is going to put him back in the bottle!

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I love djinn, he's the best spellcaster in the game. He has one problem though - if he's fighting anything smaller than size 6, he's just going to try to trample them, which may not be what you wanted.

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In most cases Djinn will beat an opponent even with trample. There're a few SC's that are able to hit through his 35 Defence (acquired easily). Also, Djinn will inevitably appear in HoF (maybe even after his very first battle because trampling produces much XP) and then (attention!) you may reforge the lamp and then get him back with Ritual of Rebirth. It is probably a bug that he is not unique...
To make Djinn tremendously effective you need:
Vine Shield
Another good shield with high parry
Starshine skullcap (optional, to have more MR)
Ring of Regeneration
Pendant of Luck

Even with 2 shields he will still have fist attack which is not bad considering his parameters even against size 6 enemies (which you don't want to meet of course). Probably, it is Djinn's feature.

Script:
Iron will
Invul
Earthpower
Mistform
Mirror Image

You just don't have place in script to cast luck so you have to use an item. But it may be replaced with Stone Bird for even better parameters if you find place for Luck in your script.
Djinn is awesome and quite hard to kill.

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Stymphalian Wings are a great way to get an Earth King to fly.

The King of Banefire is probably my favorite elemental royalty, since his built-in attack causes Plague. Also, he can cast Soul Vortex + Phoenix Pyre, which is a very fun combination. However, Air Queens are probably more powerful because they have mobility.

-Max

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My favorite Air Queen trick is a carry-over from Dom:PPP, and it leverages her three strengths:

• Mobility (Cloud Trapeze and/or flying)
• Strong Air MAgic
• Built-in 100% Shock Resistance

Give the Air Queen a Staff of Storms, some other decent gear, and a fistful of Air gems. Script her to cast "Wrathful Skies" on the very first turn of combat. Then Cloud Trapeze her into one of your opponents' armies and watch the carnage. The whole battlefield gets struck by lightning ... and she's immune to it! If the opposing force isn't also 100% immune to Shock, then you can kill hundreds of troops with this combo.


PS: The same trick also works with Pazuzu, if you're so inclined....

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Gorgon.

Give it E9 and awe. Equip her with a shield of some sort on the first turn. Then, send it out to kill. Equip it better as turns progress.

Works pretty well... only applicable to a few nations though.

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From a recent game.... not the best I've ever had but a lot of fun:
I had to trim out his slots, this was him essentially naked. His regeneration was 100+ per turn. I kept switching out equipment as necessary. He ended up fighting 2-3 of the doom horrors singlehandedly and winning.

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I remember that. You enslaved my prophet. :(

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Yeah I love Pedoisean. Stymphalian wings and other equipment as appropriate, summo nearth power, iron will, invulnerability, reinvigorate and let him fly :)

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Thats ok.. you enslaved Pazuzu = )

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Speaking of enslavement, I just had the AI (Ashdod) Control the Dead my King of Banefires... :doh: Guess that's what I get for taking an ammy of luck instead of MR. I suppose what with the soul vortex and banefire aura and shield of gleaming gold, luck was a little unnecessary...

Live and learn! Got him back, though. (loving the Tomb Kings nation) Now I can have two of them!

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Before you Master-Enslaved him back (and 20 hawks) in the same battle.:)

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You people don't generally use Bone Armour then? I've been thinking it is pretty standard SC gear. Sure, it is expensive in gems, but it keeps the SC going and going like a duracell bunny.

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It's waaaay too expensive to use! Not to mention it's 30 deaths gems (including the hammer) and not fire or air.

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It's also high encumbrance IIRC and low Prot. Soul Vortex is nice and all, but it's mainly an anti-chaff spell and really, there are other ways to get regen and 0 net encumbrance that don't have such a high opportunity cost. Plus, relying only on Soul Vortex is an invitation to get skelly-spammed to death.

I guess the question I should be asking is: what commanders/equipment setups do you think would benefit from Bone Armor? I could maybe see it on a Tartarian or a Cyclops because they tend to have Earth magic for Prot, don't need Ethereal, and doubled HP on a Cyclops (let alone a Tartarian) is enough to survive Gifts From the Heavens!

-Max

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Something tough and lifeless, like a Poison Golem or Gargoyle.

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It's also not bad on the Earth Kings. They can cast invulnerability for prot, and summon earthpower if you're getting skelli-spammed. At the same time, they don't really need the soul vortex unless you want them spamming high level earth evocs (which they do well). If they're just stomping on things, going with hydra armor or stymph wings is pretty effective instead. Earthpower, invul, attack rear with dusk dagger/brand, shield of gleaming gold/charcoal shield/lead shield, starshine skullcap/wraith crown/horror helm, stymph wings/hydra armor, MR ammy, ring of regen.

Lead shield, starshine skullcap if you're worried about enemy mages (which you probably are), or one of the fire/earth shields and a brand if you're really worried about chaff...but with trample and blade wind I wouldn't be. Dusk dagger could be decent against SCs - is there a better weapon for that slot? (It's my go-to anti-SC weapon at the momnet, dual-wielded on quickened folks if possible). Horror helm is nice and cheap, plus i think stacks with stymph fear. Wraith crown is, well, a wraith crown and as amazing as 40 death gems should be. My SCs tend to get them later in the game or if I have found a const. site.

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If your chassis has very high strenght, Sword of Swiftness might be better than Dusk dagger (Earth kings don't have too high attack skill, so are vulnerable to anti-sc's with high def that are immune to the elemental damage from the brands).

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Blood daggers.

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Flesh Eater might be fun. Cheap weapon, high damage, auto-berserk, and (most importantly) gives the enemy SC a sucking chest wound. :)

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Axe of hate is useful sometimes too, it has fatigue damage.

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Gate Cleavers are AN, too, iirc and very high damage.

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For raiding brends are best, fire to be exact since shadow or frost won't work on undead, and is AP also.
As for SC's, what item you'll use depends on what SC you're facing.
Gloves of the gladiator are nasty especially in CBM, and combined with jade armor/boots and a stone bird.
However, Golems are generally best anti SC units IMO.

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I confess, I have used Bone Armor on a GoR'ed Gargoyle with a Stone Sword. That was mostly for fun, though.

-Max

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axes of hate are pretty useful for antiSC use as well.

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Im relatively new to this so forgive me if im wrong. Re Tartarians, many people around seem to suggest this SC as if it was a clear option. But as far as I know after playing Ermor as my first nation so far, Tartarians come random so you can perhaps have a cyclops with no magic (as it has happened to me) and feebleminded at that, or maybe you have another type coming, etc.

Is there a way to actually be able to select the Tartarian you want?

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There is no way to select a tartarian you want, 1/5 of them come as commanders, others as normal units, most of them are feebleminded and have various afflictions, so you need either the chalice or GoH up to heal them so they can be used for fighting, and you need to GoR those that are units and not commanders.
3E2A are the best for fighting, Tartarian Titans are best with magic skills, they have 2 2 3 random paths, and Tartarian Monsters are the worst.

Pretty much every game is tartarian oriented so It would be interesting to see a game without tartarians, or clams as to see some new ideas for late stage games.

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But they're cheap, only 10 gems once you've geared up to cast it, so you can get a lot of them and then pick which ones you want to GoR.

And you'll occasionally get non-feebleminded ones, even as commanders.

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Actually there's one going on (Bloodless).

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Interesting, although I'd leave blood summons since their numbers are limited.

Something I'd like to try, maybe I'll start a game like this soon when I have more time,
A 4 team game with no Tartarians, gem generators of any kind, AC, AN, Burden of Time, Utherdark. More ordinary and conventional warfare.
Let's see Bane lords, Spectres or Firbolgs put to a bigger use and not just a rush for the chalice and than Tartarinas like in 90% of the games.

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2-2-3 doesn't really describe it right, as they can end up with like A7, right?

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2-2-3 is correct, though possibly misleading.
2 of any path, another 2 of any path, and another 3 of any path.
There's just nothing preventing each of the 3 sets from being the same path.

I'm not sure how else you'd describe it.