Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Age:Multi-age
Frequency:40
Research: Std.
Mods:...Single Age, Balance & CBM 1.41 are combined in the attached BalanceGame mod. See: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43566 for notes.
Map: Parganos 8+1; See below
Banned: Hinnom, Ashdod. Bogus Orders, Lab-filling.
GoodPlayerPledge: Yes please.


Map Discussion:

Due to the presence of LA-Atlantis, I wanted a map with around 15 provinces per player and fairly uniformly distributed water. I believe Parganos 8+1 fits that description.

My second choices were Pangaea and Primea Semi Rand (just for the interesting randoms). Absent objection I will open the game for pretenders later today.



Changes done by the Balance Mod:
1. Most path boosters are more difficult to build. Due to the limitations of editing, this means they are both more expensive (more gems) and require more paths to make.

This is to give a small boost to the nations that are naturally multipath: yomi, tc, bogarus come to mind, for example.

2. No generators. Clams, bloodstones, and fever fetishes are not forgeable. Compensation was given to the most affected nations. Except, sadly Machaka once again.

3. Old age is removed from some secondary units from weaker nations, (abysian assassins for example).

4. Some weaker nations get new national spells, units. Agartha, Yomi, Oceania.

Anyway most of the changes can be documented in the Balance mod.
(Which the most recent update to the mod will be attached to this thread tomorrow).

Because I wrote the mod, I will choose nation last.

ChrisPedersen: EA-Agartha
Ossa LA-Atlantis
Pelthin LA-Pangaea
Ghoul31 Ea-Niefleheim
AlpineJoe EA-Yomi
AlgaeNymph LA-Agartha
Bwaha EA-Sauromatia
The Vanishag LA-Mictlan
Strabo MA-Oceania

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I am so game, since my first turn to sub in Nox was to see everyone lose. ;)

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I'd like to join as... uhm... LA Atlantis;)

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

What nation Peltin = )

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

How about LA PANGAEA. That should be a good one to try. :)

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I'll get in this as Yomi.

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I'll take niefelheim

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I'd like to join as LA Argatha. I also have a comment and a question

The latest CBM is here.

What are Bogarus Orders and Labfilling?

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

It isn't a question of where the latest CBM is - I prefer 1.41.
It has higher seduction values, I prefer evening star v1.41.

Prison of Fire seems to have gotten stronger in 1.5... Although I do like the pretender changes in 1.5, and may incorporate those.

We'll give it a two more days for signups, and then start with however many we have.
With 6, we can use the RingwormAtlantis Map- does anyone have map preferences?

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

Bogus has an order that allows him to target commanders. That order can be copied and pasted to other units. Not allowed

Also, suppose someone has artifacts. You know who. you fill up his lab with laurel helmets to stop him from making the forbidden light.

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

Wow, that's evil. And a conceptual abuse of the game, as it exploits the fact that "gifts" can't be refused and that one's "vault" is finite. And once it gets started, the best way to get rid of those unwanted items would be to "regift" them to someone else... ugh.

Anyway, I'd like in, as LA Mictlan.

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

Hi, Sauromatia for me. :D

Re: Balance: Last Day of Signups
 

Check out map choices listed in first post

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Uff... Well I'll join this game with... MA Oceania, I'd like to see it balanced :)

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Um, no, there is a place only for one water nation. I'll pick LA Pythium

Re: Balance: Last Day of Signups
 

Paraganos is OK with me.

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Paraganos is one of my favorites so I'll choose that.

Hope I get the NW corner. :)

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

I had a little trouble CBM 1.41, so <a href="http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42022">here's the link</a> for anyone else who doesn't have it.

Strangely enough, the llamaserver link for 1.41 goes to the thread for 1.3...

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

I'm fine with parganos 8+1.

Also Chris: I was testing out Yomi in the balance mod, and I like what I see, but I can't make their new national spells do anything that I can discern. Is there some non-obvious effect? The flavor text is also a bit vague.

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Okay I got the mods and will test it out.

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Actually Strabo, LA atlantis has a land start, so I will put you down for MA-Oceania. Unless you protest= ).

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It is meant to be a bit vague =). I'll IM you offline =).

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Oh, will this version of Paraganos make sure we don't start surrounded by deserts and swamps? (Or am I thinking of some other map. I get confused, there's so many."

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Correct - I'm proposing llamas fixed version, 8+1, which balanced out the terrorities.

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Oh, it's LA Atlantis, I thought it's MA. Good, I'm Oceania

Re: Balance: Map Choosing
 

Ok.. I *cannot* attach a file, either to the first thread or here. I am going to have to upload it to the llama server.

Start playing with the mod, make your pretenders. Let me know if you see anything untoward.

Good Luck all!

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Huh, could not do it with ie., was able to do it with mozilla. Go figure.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

No problems with the mod so far. :)

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Guys, lets get pretenders in...

Re: Balance: MultiAge-No Generators Signup
 

I think we're still awaiting Niefle pretender!

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Tien got a couple of new spells in this mod; One of the major ones "Angels Among Us" did not work. Despite a lot of work to try and make the spell function as intended, it was not possible.

Angels among us was supposed to battle summon an archangel. As all battle summons, it was not intended to be permanent.

As the only way to make it work was to make it a ritual spell instead, I have dones so. As part of continuing development I also added a "Flames of Our Youth" spell.

I don't want people to think I am trying to get untoward advantage or that they don't have time to analyze it. So I'll change to EA-Agartha. Nothing else changes for any other nation.

So the current BalanceGame; I'll ask llama to update it on the server as well.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

I was hoping to start today. Who are we waiting for?
Can we just replace them??? :(

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

The last person just sent in their pretender.
As soon as llama updates balance - we start!

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

That's good news. Let's get rocking... :D

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Ooops turns out I was wrong. Pelthin had already sent in his pretender, he was just updating.

We are waiting on Ossa!

I'll give him till the end of the weekend, or whenever Llama updates the balance mod, which is when we'll start. If an alternate wants to sign up that would be ok too.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders - Alternate wanted.
 

It's just as well, I just changed my pretender.
I've got a new game plan... :D

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders - Alternate wanted.
 

Just submitted my pretender.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders - Alternate wanted.
 

Cool Ossa - now we are just waiting on llama...Make sure to grab the updated mod.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Ok... Game is Started! Make sure to get the current version (named 1.01).

Chris

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

I changed the name of the balancegame.dm file to balancegame1.01,dm to see if it would work and it does. But not sure if that is the solution, but that is the mod I had activated to create my Pretender, so I hope it is the right one..

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Generally it should work fine. Llamaserver required me to change the name, but even so changing the name is probably a good idea.

Now everyone can be absolutely sure they have the right version. So, I'd grab it from the first page.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Sorry guys - No good deed goes unpunished. I capitalize *one* letter. Which deprived Alpine Joe of half his gem income. As good as Alpine is - thats a bit much of a handicap.

Game restarted. Version 102 up on the front page.

Chris

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

When the game restarted, apparently the password is reset to something I cannot know.

Use BalanceGame2.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Bump. I'm still in. :D

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

Just reuploaded my pretender to balancegame2

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

i will re-upload my printer, assuming that the restart of balancegame is invalid.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

I get a " bad #startsite command" error when I try to create a pretender

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If this game doesn't work I'll start one that is just a vanilla game. (I'll include worthy heros.) It just seems to me that the various mods just mess the game up. I won't give up on this quite yet.(Chris has done a fair amount of work to get it up and running.)

Bwaha :D

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

I'm good.

Re: Balance: Upload Pretenders
 

My pretender's re-uploaded. Hope I have a good location like I did with the restart.