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This will be the official thread for the restart.

We will wait until we see how many any we get and who before we decide on a map and if we use the same rules.

If you have an opinion on the 7 turn starting Nap, PLEASE PM me with it so we don't have a debate or intimidate those that wanted it the first time.

I intend to use the Standards and Streamers mod for me personally as its easier to see (for me), You may use it or not as Squirrelliod has pointed out it is an individual preference)

Frozen Lama will set up the game and announce winning conditions. He and I (GrudgeBringer), will Admin so we always have someone to get ahold of.

Map TBD
7 turn starting Nap TBD
Mod Standard and Streamers (personal choice)
CBM 1.5

Nations...sign in Please:up:

GrudgeBringer Arco
Frozen Lama Tir
Trumanator Pan
Mule Warrior Ryleh
JR77 Fomoria
Eldanesh Ermor
Lihaassa Ulm
Kietsensei Hinnom
lainuki Marverni
aaminoff Helheim
Sir Jope Atlantis
Sqirrelloid Caelum
Ishamoridan Mictlan
Cerain Vanheim
Mscfish TC
Shard Sauro
Fakey Mcfake Niefleheim
Viccio Yomi

OK...We have 18 and are ready to go when Lama is. We need a BIG wrap around map and unless we use Standards and Streamers Alexander or Asia twist (due to the coloring) will be very hard on some (me especially, as I am color blind and have some problems on those type of maps) though with S&S it is tolerable.

Since this is basically a Restart, all rules will stay in effect (yes, the 7 turn forced Nap is included)

We had 1 Nation change...Cerain went from C'tis to Vanheim.

Frozen Lama will decide the Victory conditions and set the game up, get your Pretenders ready and we will get underway ASAP.
Ok game is up!

here's the deal: its called ViciousCircle3, so put that in the subject line when you send your pretenders in.


map is asia twist get it here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938

we are using CBM 1.5, and i decided to make GB happy and use Streamers and standerds. get that here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989


there is a 7 turn NAP again. if you have questions re that, PM me or GB.

i decided that the best way to make sure i don't f**k te game up again would be to not put a vp condition on, but since graphs are on, its easy to see who's winning, the victory will be by concession, (which is how most games end anyways)

GB- could you copy this into the origional post please?

Send in your pretenders, and lets see if we can get this started in the next couple days

BTW...DO NOT PUT A PASSWORD ON YOUR NATION OR PRETENDER

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GrudgeBringer Arco

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Tir here

i will still admin.

remember, if we use Asia Twist, (or oraina or most other maps) we will need at least 1 more, probably 2 more water nations.

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Pan here once again, ready to inflict TTD on all comers! :D

I vote for Asia Twist. You already know my stance re: starting NAP.

As Asia Twist has set starts and is slightly bigger, it would probably be wise to try and recruit one or two more players so the map is full and noone gets extra provs.

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I'm in.

R'Lyeh is my first choice.

If I'm the only water nation, I'll play with (in order or preference): Yomi - Ermor - Abysia.

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Fomoria

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Ermor

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Ulm

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Hinnom, led by the wise and pacific Rephaims is back ;)

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Marverni again. Just make sure it's ViciousCircle3 on Llamaserver. No strong feelings about the map, I looked at the options and I haven't played them enough to form an opinion.

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if it possible i will play with Hellheim

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I was Helheim in VC2. I would prefer to keep that, but I could also go out on a limb and do a water nation in order to let the map work. I leave it up to GB and Lama.

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Atlantis if possible. Would be mine first multiplay :)

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aaminoff of course gets priority for helheim unless he wants to do Oceania.

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Caelum again. I'd like to actually play that to midgame... (Also, I'd like to not start immediately next to Hinnom - well, unless Hinnom is amenable to another mutual non-aggression treaty =) ).

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I'm still in as Mictlan

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If I am allowed to join, I would like to try my luck with Sauromatia.

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No offense Juffos, but you are way too good to be in this game as Sauro IMHO. If you wanted to take something that isn't a powerhouse that would be one thing, but Sauro is pretty up there on the power curve.

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TC
mscfish
And i vote the map for asia twist

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Sorry, i don't understand the situation, Hellheim it's your nation, i take (and try) Yomi (if possible)

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I'll change to vanheim.

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Hey , GB
Why my TC isn't there ?
You have missed me.
:)

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My C'tis isn't there either :)

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<- still Sauromatia

however I just signed up for another EA game so I will in all likelihood have to drop one. Difference being that one has banned Hinnom though

When is the proposed restart?

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By the way I would like to suggest that we turn graph off. It will make the game more interesting and make you use more scouts to gather intel.

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Actually, graphs off makes the game less interesting because you have no idea what's going on far away. And getting scouts to the far side of the map is a pain in the ***. It leads to someone running away with a victory because half the players have no idea how powerful he is.

Graphs off works in small (<=8 players) games but not in massive games because the scouting burden becomes too large.

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BTW. I give my vote to Asia Twist, it looks good.

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Fakey is out of town; I was going to sub for him in Vicious 2.
Can you please reserve Niefle for him?

I feel sure he will return soon to claim it himself.

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the start time will be tomorrow night. (west coast time for me)

GB should update the post soon.

what me and GB were thinking, is that this is really more of a "restart" than a new game, so we'd like to keep similar settings, unless theirs a huge backlash.

chrisp- yes, he has Niefel

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I was waiting until you guys replied on the forum before adding you to make sure you where still interested.

I will get you all on here ASAP (that means after my Nap):p

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Do we need to resubmit pretenders? Or are our old ones still in the system and can be reused?

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AFAIK, we will need to resubmit

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I will be going out of town tue/wed so I will not be able to sub for fakey this week...

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Ok game is up!

here's the deal: its called ViciousCircle3, so put that in the subject line when you send your pretenders in.

map is asia twist get it here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938

we are using CBM 1.5, and i decided to make GB happy and use Streamers and standerds. get that here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989


there is a 7 turn NAP again. if you have questions re that, PM me or GB.

i decided that the best way to make sure i don't f**k te game up again would be to not put a vp condition on, but since graphs are on, its easy to see who's winning, the victory will be by concession, (which is how most games end anyways)

GB- could you copy this into the origional post please?

send in your pretenders, and lets see if we can get this started in the next couple days

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Frozen Lama, we have to download and install like a mod this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989 ? (Streamers and standerds)

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My pretender already had a password on it do I need to change it?

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YES..NO PASSWORDS...IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOUR cOMP OR LIFE GETS IN THE WAY WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET IN THERE AND EITHER LET SOMEONE SUB OR SET TO AI. (sorry for yelling, just in a hurry and no time to change it).:up:

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Streamers and Standards is a cosmetic mod, will the game complain if we aren't using it?

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No. It does absolutely nothing server-side. Its a skin, effectively.

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Lets get those pretenders in please! halfway there so far. i'd like to get us started before the weekend

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I'll get my pretender in by thursday, just got back online (damn shoddy internet providers) and need to take care of some pressing paperwork before I do anything else.

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We have a problem. Is LlamaBanners set as part of the game settings? I am playing in another game where that mod was set (Aquamarine), and I could not load the first turn file without LlamaBanners. Squirrelloid suggested that in Water Total War, where LlamaBanners was not included as part of the game settings themselves, players who wanted to use it could. If there is a workaround for the situation where LlamaBanners is include as part of the settings, I can use that, but I'm not aware of it. Otherwise, I see two options: restart the game (players would have to reupload their pretenders) or figure out a way to withdraw without disrupting the game. I don't like this situation, but I don't see any other way to handle it.

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Um, i make more detailed comments in the Aquamarine thread, but the gist is I'm incorrectly recalling where the discussion was had - its not the WTW game thread (i was certain it was...). But I know I read that discussion somewhere. Logical candidates include Noobs vs. Vets - but that thread is massive.

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well squirrelloid, i'm trusting you on this one, that people don't need it enabled.
of course iainuki the easiest solution would be that IF you need it, just download it.

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I think you're somewhat missing my point. I don't like LlamaBanners and if I'd known the game was going to require it, I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. As it was, I believed it wasn't going to be a problem. If the game starts with the current settings, it will be a problem. I signed up for a game without LlamaBanners, or so I thought, only to have the terms of the agreement changed without consulting me (admittedly, because of technical issues no one seemed to understand right). Thus, why I'm requesting it that the game either be set up so that I can play without it (as the earlier discussion promised, but failed to deliver, though not because of anyone's fault) or that we reach some mutually-satisfactory way for me to withdraw.

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OK IF you are in Aquamarine....

The first turn just posted and we DO (I am also in Aquamarine) have what you call llama-banners in that game as I have it turned on and they show up for me.

IF you got the turn and everything is OK and you Don't have llama-banners showing (Standards and Streamers to the rest of us)then you SHOULDN'T have any problem with this game as it is set up the same way.

IF you have a problem with both games because you don't want a bigger flag then in the game just say so and we will delete your Pretender in this one as it hasn't started yet (at least I haven't got turn 1).

But I don't think Aquamarine will restart (although I wish they would with my HORREDOUS start) as it took so long to get all the Pretenders in.

So...It may be that you just have to HAVE the mod, not necessarily have it on. So you mght want to give it a shot and D/L it but don't enable it.:up:

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i see what you are saying now. hopefully squirelloid is right, and you don't need it. If not, we shall work on it then.

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Sir Jope has PM'd me and apparently someone else submitted an Atlantis pretender. remember, refer to the origional post by GB to see what nation you have, although it seems that everyone but fakey has sent a pretender. so then- whoever sent in the Atlantis pretender- sorry but Atlantis has been taken.

Sir Jope- see my PM, but i will just delete the current Atlantis pretender, and you can submit yours.

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ok this is getting dumb... who is C'tis? no one is signed up for it. Sir Jope you cna submit your god, but Fakey will have to pm me when he's ready so i can delete C'tis and he can quickly get his guy sent in.

iainuki- according to some of the modders on the IRC, you will need to use llamabanners. there is apparently a way to work around this by modding the llamabanners mod and replacing it with the origional flags, but i am modding incompetant, and thus, i'm sorry but i really can't restart the game again. i'm sorry about this. i realize that it isn't really fair, but in intrest of saving the game, i think we will have to run with it. if your out, i'm sorry. of course if you are ok with sticking it out for a couple turns, i could post in the mods forum, and see if i can figure out how to help you. Gregstrom seemed to know how to do it, but didn't have the tga's available.

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lol, ninja players are fun...



I vote we gank all of them at the start of the game.