How to fight Fomoria?
 

I am in a MP with the single age complete and CBM1.5.
I am with LA Tien Chi and my capital is close to the Fomoria.It's only turn 8 now.We have a few provinces and low research.
The bless of Fomoria is about 6E4S4N.The giant is so difficult to kill.Is there some strategy to fight Fomoria in early game?

And second question about the map move

(ONE) ( TWO)

(THREE) ( FOUR)


There are four provinces: one, two, three, four.
One, three are the friendly provinces.Three, four are in the enemy territory.There are armies in the each province.
My army in the one and three move to the two and the army of enemy in two and four move to the three.
What will happen?

In the manual:
There is a battle in the enemy province between the two armies;
There is a battle in your province between the two armies;
The armies miss one another and exchange places.

Which event occurs depends on the size of the armies in question and the terrain involved.

How to explain the last sentence?What is the detail about the size of the armies and terrain ?

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Fomoria's bless is E6S4N4? That's not so bad. Its not E9! Are they geared? You're LA TC - what kind of bless do you have? AVs with E9 would probably do pretty well.

Depending on if or how well geared the Fomorian giants are, I'd look to alteration. Especially for really early game where they won't be geared. Armor of achilles is wonderful against high-protection low-numbers elites like giants. Earth Might can increase your hitting power to bring them down fast, and earth meld can stop them in their tracks.

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Ok, assuming A B C D are provinces, A-B, A-C, B-C, B-D are valid connections, and A,B owned by P1, C,D owned by P2. The following orders are given:

A->C
B->C
C->B
D->B

Where X->Y implies army in X is moving to Y.

So, A->C is unopposed, and resolves.
D->B is unopposed, and resolves.

B->C is opposed by C->B (that is, two opposing armies are moving into each other). The game decides whether (1) the armies encounter each other and (2) which army move resolves if they encounter each other.

If the armies fail to encounter each other, both moves resolve, and P2s armies end up in B, P1s armies end up in C, and fight whatever battles result (probably against PD, barring additional information).

If the armies do encounter each other, only one of B->C or C->B resolves. Let's assume B->C resolves. This means C->B doesn't happen, so Amry(C) is still in C when A,B->C, and thus C fights Armies originating in A,B in province C (with support of its PD). D ends up in B and fights that resulting battle alone.

The opposite condition (A fights in C, B fights C,D in B) occurs if C->B resolves instead.

Note that all movement resolves before combats occur, its just that two armies moving into each other can cause a movement order to fail.

Sorry if that was confusing, hope that helped.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Unfortunately,My bless is 4E4S5D not the 9E.The only fight display the Fomoria research arrvied ALT2.

About the movement question,I knew what your mean.But what would resolve the result is B->C or C->B?

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

In theory its determined randomly, but in practice it seems like the same nation always 'wins' in determining who got to move. My guess is its resolved in order of nation #.

Edit:
Regarding counters to fomoria:
Use infantry with glaives, drop earth might or strength of giants on them. Earth meld/grip the giants to reduce defense and stop them from moving, and use armor of achilles/destruction/rusting mist to destroy the giant's armor.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Sounds like a ghost king, isn't he able to defend you with minor equipment?

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Fomoria could be hiding a bunch of magic-weaponed Nemidians to support the giants, and they'll kill a GK pretty quickly.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

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He said it was turn 8.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Fomoria can recruit Nemedians in the cap. They've got attack-15 with a magic golden spear, and glamour.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

I understand. My point: it takes not 2 or 3 nemedians to take down possibly buffed armored ghost king on his territory and it is difficult to mass 20-30 of them by turn 8 while expanding and recruiting giants at the same time. But I may be wrong.
My advise about ghost king shoul be interpritated: "What does your pretender do while giants are rushing your lands?" or "How did you plan to defend rushes when you've been designing your pretender?"

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

It definitely is not consistent. I ran some tests awhile back and it switched back and forth, apparently randomly. And sometimes they do miss each other.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Thanks! I understand what you meant now. Sorry, I'm biased in favor of the Nemedians in Fomoria's early/mid game. Giants are just for blocking elephants. And eating arrows. :D

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Giant bless rushes are difficult to counter for everyone. For the situation you described, I'd recommend the following:

1) Don't Panic! You've actually got a lot more time than you think: if he's been recruiting 500g Fomorian Kings, he hasn't been recruiting much else, so breaking down your capital walls is basically impossible for the next long while. You're going to lose territory, get over it, it wasn't very valuable anyways on turn 8, so...
2) Appeal to the masses. Diplomacy is your best bet against an early aggressor, specifically "He's attacking me and will therefore take over the world so you'd all better attack him before he gets too powerful blah blah blah!"
3) Execute a fighting withdrawl back to your castles. If you (doubtfully) have the cash & time, build an extra castle in the rear.
4) Garrison those castles with high damage outlay troops. Glaives were mentioned, but don't neglect Wolf Tribe Warriors, Lizard Warriors, and Maul Barbarians, to name a few. You need to do enough damage to outpace that regen. Finance this with 200 taxes everywhere for a delicious scorched earth flavor.
5) Divert research to Construction.
6) Upon hitting Const-4, crap out a bunch of Vision's Foes (huh?)
7) Using your high-damage guys as blockers, break siege with Eagle Eyes/Aim buffed snipers laying down a hail of VF bolts (oh, right, they only have one eye, so we should take it out via irresistible eyeloss, much like Saroumatia's poison bows)
8) Laugh menacingly as those 500g giants go completely blind in 5 rounds even with Arrow Fend, and are then almost instantly felled by your cheap swarms.

Re: How to fight Fomoria?
 

Thanks for the teaching!

The Vision's Foe is a wonderful tactic.I was planning to research to Alternate.Destruction,Luck,Body Ehtreal and Quickness will gear the Ancestor Vessel.

Fomoria has the more province,more income,more army size and more research point righ now.Thus,I don't think there is some advanstage for me during the protracted war.