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Torin February 10th, 2010 07:10 AM

Application problems
 
Dominions 3 wont work for me anymore.
When i try to launch it, opens the dom3.exe and instantly closes without a message.
Tried reinstalling even in a different folder. Still the same.

Appreciate any help.

Sombre February 10th, 2010 07:52 AM

Re: Application problems
 
Did you change anything notable before this started happening? New drivers perhaps?

Torin February 10th, 2010 08:34 AM

Re: Application problems
 
yes, updated ati graphic drivers actually. ill check with the old one.

Gandalf Parker February 10th, 2010 11:45 AM

Re: Application problems
 
Which OS?
Is this right after running MS Updates?

nordlys February 10th, 2010 02:44 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Try tinkering with the driver settings in catalyst control center. A safe rule of thumb is switch to "application controlled" everything that can be (like antialiasing) and switch off everything else. Dominions in particular didn't like the "catalyst ai" enabled, it garbled the game fonts for me.

ati is also known for screwed up opengl support, and I figure Dominions uses just that, so you may want to try various command line switches for dom3.exe:

-p --perftest Run a performance test and exit
-x --fastgrx Faster graphics (use 3 times for best performance (-xxx))
--renderpath X Use different optimizations 0-1 (0=good for low mem cards)
-V --novsync Disable vsync
--vsync Enable vsync
--noglext Don't use any OpenGL extensions
--noarcade Don't draw floating damage numbers
--nograss Don't draw the grass
--partamount X Max nbr of particles 0-8 (0=none, 4=default, 8=max)
--nolightfx No light effects in battles
--texqual X Texture quality 1-5 (default=3)
--treequal X Tree quality 1-5 (default=3)
--maxtexsize X Max texture size in pixels 32-4096 (default=unlimited)
--filtering X Quality of OpenGL filtering 0-3 (default=2)
--maxfps X Maximum nbr of frames per second (default=50)
--fps X Aim for this nbr of frames per second (default=20)
--nopopups No helpful popups
-f --nofade No fade effects
--fade Use fade effects
-a --noanimback Don't use animated backgrounds
--animback Use animated backgrounds
-r --res X Y Set screen resolution / window size (default=1024 768)
--opacity X Set gui opacity 0 - 100
--gamma X Set gamma function (brightness) 0.1 - 5.0 (default=1.0)
-T --textonly Use this with --tcpserver to get graphicless server
--zbuffer X Try to use a depth buffer of X bits per pixel (default=16)
--bitplanes X Try to use a color depth of X bits per pixel
-u --fullscreen Use the entire screen
-w --window Run Dominions 3 in a window

some of these may help.

and of course, try using the -ddd command line switch to log debug info in case this is not related to v-card altogether.

Torin February 10th, 2010 05:38 PM

Re: Application problems
 
nordlys, you certainly know much.
I just had to change my drivers for another game but maybe it was not the graphics.
Whatever the reason i dont know because i chaged my hard drive and installed xp again.
Now i have dominions going again.
Be careful when windows asks to check for errors on hard disk when the computer is starting.
Things that used to work probably will be broken.
I wont let it do that again.

Arralen February 10th, 2010 06:03 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torin (Post 730889)
Be careful when windows asks to check for errors on hard disk when the computer is starting.
Things that used to work probably will be broken.
I wont let it do that again.

Oh-oh. Actually, you shold let it do that if it wants to.

And do some more, because this message indicates an error in the files system, or an "unclean" shutdown of the system (which could both trigger and be caused by errors in the file system).
File system errors, though, are a very bad thing, because...
... they might not be fully recoverable, so data might get lost (that includes parts of Windoze itself :rolleyes: )
... they often are caused by faulty hardware

Applications not starting any longer after a file system check often is a sign of a HDD having bad sectors, and being in the process of going completely bad.
Normally, I would suggest testing harddrive and RAM, but I have the nagging suspicion that you don't know much about computers, and might do more harm than good, so better get someone knowledgeable check your comp.

Torin February 10th, 2010 06:34 PM

Re: Application problems
 
You dont have to believe everything Microsoft tells you.
Sometimes windows default options are the worse thing you can choose.
Take autorun feature for example.

Tollund February 10th, 2010 06:48 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torin (Post 730898)
You dont have to believe everything Microsoft tells you.
Sometimes windows default options are the worse thing you can choose.
Take autorun feature for example.

What's wrong with autorun? Do you regularly put discs in the drive that you don't want to run? Are you still running an operating system that was released more than ten years ago, or is your computer so old and defective that it can't manage to multitask the spin up of a disc drive while performing other actions?

The sheer number of luddites amongst the computer literate never ceases to amaze me.

Arralen February 10th, 2010 06:59 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torin (Post 730898)
You dont have to believe everything Microsoft tells you.

Just wanted to offer some help - from 12 years of experience in the trade.
If you know better, so it be.

Ballbarian February 10th, 2010 08:41 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Arralen is right. Best to be safe and have someone check your hard drives integrity.

Tollund,
Autorun is a feature best disabled. Ever heard of the Sony rootkit?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BM...ection_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Copy_Protection

Not to mention viruses that can be transmitted via simply inserting a cdrw disk, floppy (yes some people still use these :) ) or flash drive.

Tollund February 10th, 2010 09:36 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballbarian (Post 730915)
Tollund,
Autorun is a feature best disabled. Ever heard of the Sony rootkit?:

Yes, it didn't do anything to cause any real concern except among the linux crowd, and as far as I know hasn't been used to do anything.

Ballbarian February 10th, 2010 10:30 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Nothing of real concern?

Quote:

A new trojan which uses the cover provided by the Sony DRM component to hide has been detected by BitDefender Labs at 12.15 PM GMT today and is in the wild. This is the first ever observed instance of malware using the Sony DRM rootkit detected and analysed by Mark Russinovich.
And strangely, everything I have seen indicates that this does not affect linux machines.

I hate to quote from Wikipedia, but it was convenient:

Quote:

Since it is specific to Microsoft Windows, XCP has no effect on all other operating systems such as Linux, BSD, OS/2, Solaris, or Mac OS X
and

Quote:

This software was automatically installed on Windows desktop computers when customers tried to play the CDs. The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs by installing a rootkit which creates vulnerabilities for other malware to exploit. This was discovered and publicly revealed by Mark Russinovich on the Sysinternals blog. Other operating systems were not affected.
Now, getting away from the whole Sony thing,
auto play == vulnerability. I am not saying that I think less of someone who leaves it turned on. I just wanted to point out the risk. A healthy dose of paranoia is more effective than any anti-virus software known to man. :)

nordlys February 11th, 2010 02:42 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Not only autorun is unsafe and recommended to be disabled by every security software, it is also hugely annoying, as far as I am concerned. With software cds, I normally put a disk in and switch to doing whatever else I was doing (like playing Dominions :) to get back to running the disk when I feel like it - only to have the program autorun pop up and force me to do something about it. With non-executable disks, this useless "what do you want to do with the disk" window is nothing short of an abomination - I *know* what I have on the disk and what I am going to do with it, thank you very much, mr. Balmer. I do not need an offer to open it with windows explorer, I have a real file manager. I do not want to run an audio cd or a video dvd with WMP, I have decent music and video players. I am not going to "drag and drop files to record on a blank cdr", I have a proper cd recording program. And so on. That's the reason for "computer-literate luddism", we simply know better software options for our needs than the default crap windows is packaged with, and don't want it pushing its integrated garbage upon us.

As for chkdsk, 10 out of 9 times after incorrect shutdown (occasional hard reset is perfectly normal and rarely if ever hurts anything) it is unnecessary. Running it manually once in a while to get rid of excess lost fragments and other errors is, of course, a different thing.

How further offtopic can we go? :D

Tollund February 11th, 2010 02:53 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nordlys (Post 731018)
Not only autorun is unsafe and recommended to be disabled by every security software,

Prove it. Provide evidence for this claim that isn't based on Slashdot style nonsense.

Quote:

I do not need an offer to open it with windows explorer, I have a real file manager.
Do you enjoy pretending to be superior because you're using unpopular software?

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I do not want to run an audio cd or a video dvd with WMP,
Then change the default behaviour instead of complaining that it can't read your mind and pick the correct program when you haven't bothered to tell it what to do.

Quote:

And so on. That's the reason for "computer-literate luddism", we simply know better software options for our needs than the default crap windows is packaged with, and don't want it pushing its integrated garbage upon us.
Thankfully, people like you are going the way of the dinosaur. The quicker computers are turned into a completely interoperable commodity the better. I suppose you're one of those ignorants who complains that zip file functionality is built into windows.

Torin February 11th, 2010 03:03 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Tollund in a CD or in a flash usb memory there can be a file called
autorun.inf
being this a text file stating wich applications will run when the media is inserted.
it can be anything. An exe file for example.
If you copy in your flash usb 2 files:

autorun.inf
virus.exe

and set the 2 files hidden. the next fool that puts that flash into the usb port will be infected no matter what (probably the AV will stop infection if the AV know the existence of that virus).

The worst part that you thought the flash mem was empty.
"Autorun on" and "dont see files hidden" are default options of windows.
you should put "autorun off" and "see hidden files" if you want to see what can infect you.

And instead of a virus you can insert a call to shutdown computer mind you.

nordlys February 11th, 2010 03:21 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tollund (Post 731021)
Prove it. Provide evidence for this claim that isn't based on Slashdot style nonsense.

Ever plugged an USB flash card of insecure origin into an autoplay-enabled computer? Try it :D

AVZ reports enabled autoplay as potential security vulnerability. Symantec website has a number of pages on autoplay security. Kaspersky disables autoplay. Google is your friend.

But nevermind that, who needs all this unpopular software when there is Windows Firewall? http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/images/smi...-emot-smug.gif

Quote:

Do you enjoy pretending to be superior because you're using unpopular software?
I enjoy using superior software that has all kinds of functions I need, and least of all care whether it is "popular" or not.

Quote:

Then change the default behaviour instead of complaining that it can't read your mind and pick the correct program when you haven't bothered to tell it what to do.
Why should I bother? I am perfectly comfortable running those programs myself and having autoplay disabled.

Quote:

Thankfully, people like you are going the way of the dinosaur. The quicker computers are turned into a completely interoperable commodity the better.
As they say, don't allow the children near computers, it makes computers dumber :rolleyes:

Quote:

I suppose you're one of those ignorants who complains that zip file functionality is built into windows.
I have winrar and 7zip installed, I don't care whether there is a built-in zip functionality in windows. I am, however, mildly annoyed the right-click file menu is bloated with a dozen of default windoze options I am not going to ever use in my lifetime, and have to manually seek and remove them in registry and/or file associations.

lch February 11th, 2010 04:31 PM

Re: Application problems
 
One of the most popular methods of gaining access to a corporate network by hackers is to drop USB sticks labelled with "Documents" or "Private photos" on the company's parking area in the early morning. Some curious person WILL pick those up and plug it into the corporate working station to have a look what's on it. AutoPlay FTW.

Edi February 12th, 2010 05:12 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Tollund, stop trolling. You gain nothing by being abusive and it is not going to do anyone else on the forum any good either.

Tollund February 12th, 2010 05:36 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nordlys (Post 731030)
Ever plugged an USB flash card of insecure origin into an autoplay-enabled computer? Try it :D

No, because I'm not an idiot.

Quote:

I have winrar and 7zip installed, I don't care whether there is a built-in zip functionality in windows. I am, however, mildly annoyed the right-click file menu is bloated with a dozen of default windoze options I am not going to ever use in my lifetime, and have to manually seek and remove them in registry and/or file associations.
Preferring to use a third-party program over integrated support is pathologically stupid.

Tollund February 12th, 2010 05:37 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 731224)
Tollund, stop trolling. You gain nothing by being abusive and it is not going to do anyone else on the forum any good either.

Well, it will drive customers away from Shrapnel, and that's certainly a good thing as demonstrated by the fact that they still have the sexist Dom3 adds up.

thejeff February 12th, 2010 05:43 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Edi, I'm not one to tell you how to do your job, but he hadn't posted on this in more than a day and half an hour after you told him to stop trolling he's back.

Telling trolls to stop trolling doesn't work. Not feeding them does.

Edi February 12th, 2010 07:19 PM

Re: Application problems
 
So does banning them.

Since Tollund has seen fit to try to actively sabotage the forums and attempt to drive away other users through obnoxious behavior, there is no compelling interest for Shrapnel or anyone else to keep him here.

It does not help his case that he chooses to flame me both here and by PM for doing my job as a moderator of this forum.

:banned:

Maerlande February 12th, 2010 09:06 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Thanks Edi.

Torin asked for help. It would be horrific if folks asking for help got that kind of abuse regularly. Everyone has noobish problems.

Ink February 12th, 2010 09:21 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 731036)
One of the most popular methods of gaining access to a corporate network by hackers is to drop USB sticks labelled with "Documents" or "Private photos" on the company's parking area in the early morning. Some curious person WILL pick those up and plug it into the corporate working station to have a look what's on it. AutoPlay FTW.

this is why flash drives do not work on ANY government computer.

nordlys February 12th, 2010 09:25 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tollund (Post 731234)
Preferring to use a third-party program over integrated support is pathologically stupid.

And since when did Windows acquire integrated support of .rar or .7z? :rolleyes:

Loren February 13th, 2010 02:18 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torin (Post 730889)
nordlys, you certainly know much.
I just had to change my drivers for another game but maybe it was not the graphics.
Whatever the reason i dont know because i chaged my hard drive and installed xp again.
Now i have dominions going again.
Be careful when windows asks to check for errors on hard disk when the computer is starting.
Things that used to work probably will be broken.
I wont let it do that again.

No. If you get prompted you want to let it check. Windows won't prompt for an error check unless something happened to make it suspicious--and whatever that event was is what messed your system up. If you don't check it you can end up with more damage in the future.

You're playing shoot-the-messenger.

Torin February 13th, 2010 05:19 PM

Re: Application problems
 
Ok. Ill explain better.

The disk its broken phisically. Software wont fix it no matter the good intentions.
I was not getting another disk because:
laziness/lack of money/whatever

Think this example:

You go to a room, sit on a chair and read a book sitting.
Whats wrong with the room? i can use it.
But windows went there and saw the bed was broken. Then closed the whole room with a sign "broken room".
So i cant use the app "read a book on the chair" despite if windows didnt check the room i could still do that.

Same with files, an app use multiple files. If 1 file is broken but the app isnt using it. You can still use that app.

Dont check anyting. i know the disk is bad.

Edi February 13th, 2010 05:55 PM

Re: Application problems
 
If the disk is bad, then there is no fix. You won't get it working again unless you replace the HD, and if you don't, you stand to lose all of your data unless you have it backed up. Because sooner or later, that disk WILL fail.

Torin February 13th, 2010 05:58 PM

Re: Application problems
 
i replaced it


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