Bagpipes vs. Oboes
 

Credit where credit is due. Agent_Smith and Lolomo began this debate on IRC.

If we could equip standard bearers with musical instruments which would be more effective? Bagpipes or Oboes?

I suggest that Bagpipes are more effective in inspiring the morale of troops. The caterwauling resulting from massed bagpipes is either going to scare the crap out of your opponents or make your own troops cover their ears and cower.

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Oboes are easier to mass. You can make 4 Oboes for every Bagpipe you can afford.

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Longbows... er... i mean bagpipes might require longer periods of training, but have a higher rate of... music.

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You cannot hear oboes on a battlefield.

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Whatever it is, the AI will be sure to hire 100s of them.

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Well, I don't like where this is going.
But in battle, Bagpipes are much better. There is a Scottish proverb,
12 highlanders and a Bagpipe make a rebellion

Here's my reference Maerlande;
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/bagpipe/

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Battle gong.

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I thought that drums were the most common choice.
But in all honesty Im biased.

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I'm with LoloMo on this one, oboes are way more effective. Bagpipes might outmatch oboes in a direct comparison when it comes to volume, but not only can you mass-produce oboes easier, the amount of training in breath control and the time it takes to develop enough lung volume to play a bagpipe is just enormous compared to oboes, which any average Joe can use.

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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Oboes beat bagpipes" that's going on in this thread right now. Bagpipes deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Bagpipe in Scotland for 4000 Pounds (that's about $9,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even inspire armies running in pure terror with my Bagpipe.

Scottish craftsmen spend years working on a single Bagpipe and tune it up to a million times to produce the finest instruments known to mankind.

Bagpipes are thrice as loud as French instruments and thrice as effective for that matter too. Anything an oboe can play, a Bagpipe can play better. I'm pretty sure a Bagpipe could easily outptlay a full orchestra playing full volume with a simple toot.

Ever wonder why medieval mainland Europe never bothered conquering Scotland? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Highlanders and their Bagpipes of inspiration. Even in World War II, German soldiers targeted the men with the Bagpipes first because their inspirational power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Bagpipes are simply the best instrument that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Dominions 3 game. Here is the stats I propose for Bagpipes:

Standard 40
Player morale 30
Patrol bonus 30

Now that seems a lot more representative of the inspirational power of Bagpipes in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Bagpipes need to be more effective in Dominions 3, see my new stat block.

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Oboes are not going to cut it. If you want to have half your army playing them instead of fighting go ahead, one bagpipe is all an army needs and the rest of the lads take the oboes from your mouths and bop them with it.

When I think oboe I think Woody Allen movie. An army of Woody Allens. I don't find that scary. Actually Woody Allen is known for his clarinet, but I still think him and oboes go together.

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I just think it's sad that the devs have obviously been so influenced by Oboe fanboys. I read one guy saying that if they had Oboes at Vietnam instead of guitars, the war would have been won!

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Well, I think you are all ignoring the significant influence of the material used in the construction of the oboes. An ash or elm oboe is pretty weak, but if you make one out of spring steel, you get a lot more power out of the resonance, for better penetration. This should be reflected in the game. Now, try making a bagpipe out of spring steel, and see where THAT gets you, lololol bagpipefanboyz.

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Me, I'll stick with my viola.
I've lost the instrument but I've still got the case.

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Why don't you just download a new viola from this si

-user banned-

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What if you made crossbow quarrel oboes? Would arbalests (1 shot per 3 turns at higher volume) beat normal crossbows (1 shot per 2 turns, lower volume)? I don't think you could craft a ranged bagpipe though.

Now, wall shaker is a horn, right? So shouldn't bagpipe have a siege strength bonus, at least equal to gate cleaver at least. I mean, if a horn breaks walls, wouldn't bagpipe be at least as effective as that?

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Why choose?

http://enterprise.aacc.edu/~rhs/shawmpage.html

:p

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I suggest a new hidden attribute: #bagpipesanity to account for the cultural distance between any given unit and scotland.

Clearly bagpipes should cause insanity, with R'lyeh being especially vulnerable.

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Bagpipes should have a fear(50) effect against ilithids - you can make a bagpipe simply by scraping all the insides out of a severed Starspawn head, after all.

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C'tis should get bagpipe immunity as well given that Bagpipes were invented in Egypt.

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And MA Ulm needs to get oboes to counter, even if for some reason the devs clearly never actually played an oboe before and made them suck, when they should be the dominant instrument, historically speaking.

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This thread is silly. You people have completely gone off topic.

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40oz of fun! (thats 1.1L for Canucks)

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I have to side with the bagpipe on this one. I took my family to a world culture festival and the building was loaded with people. A dude started playing the bagpipes and had a guy following him with a bass drum. The whole room went quiet and took notice.

I never realized how loud a bagpipe really is. It's definitely a look-at-me instrument.

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I heard someone playing a bagpipe in the music practice rooms at my school.

A few hours later, notices have been put up saying that bagpipes are prohibited from the practice rooms.

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When discussing bagpipes, one must account for the historical cover up that's been applied to it's importance. And that the Vatikan banned bagpipes out of fear they could be the instrument of rebellion.

Few people know for example that a large number of bagpipes was found near Waterloo, but that discovery was quickly silenced and the bagpipes confiscated by the "Department of musical security", later confirmed not to exist.

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The English also banned the bagpipes, shortly after the Jacobite uprising. Therefore bagpipes>oboes.

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I like this thread.

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I knew this would be resurrected after seeing it re-posted in Crossbows vs Longbows.

I also like this thread.

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Is there a relationship between pitch and penetration? Bagpipes have higher pitch on the highest drones versus Oboes. This should suggest that Scots have greater penetration than frenchmen.

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Yet frenchmen are said to be the greatest lovers of them all - does this suggest that penetration does not have anything to do with the whole oboes vs. bagpipes issue? Or am I missing something?

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What on earth does love have to do with it?

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Perhaps you missed that exaggerated focus on penetration don't exactly make one a good lover ;)

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What you really want is a cunning linguist.