Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Completed- Victor: Atlantis
 

***NOTICE***
Game ended due to mutual agreement.


First off, I am a completely new player. If I screw up in setting up my first game, I hope someone will be kind enough to point out what an idiot I am. The game is open to all players, new or veteran.

Age = Late Age
Map = TBD (Ogre is currently the leader)
Turn speed = 24 hour quickturn to start off should be fine. Might be extended as time progresses.
Number of players = 8-10 minimum 14 Max Possibly higher if there's enough interest.
Mods = CBM 1.6 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949
Victory = Last man standing
Diplomacy = Strongly encouraged to abide by it, but its not a set rule. Backstab to your hearts content if that's your thing.
Connection = Direct connect with Email notify
House rules = None, feel free to suggest, but I probably won't enforce any. Although I would like to ask people try interesting strats, especially vets (I don't fancy get steamrolled right off the bat , heh) this is not an enforced rule though, just a suggestion.
AI = None
Gold, provinces, resources and etc. = LA defaults. Up for debate though.
Hall of fame = 15
Renaming = On
Research = Difficult
Magic sites = 40
Independents = Default
Graphs = On

Players
Corvus(Me) - Ulm
Verjigorm - Bogarus
Ossa - R'lyeh AI
iamofage - Jomon AI
Kupiko - Marignon AI
PAR - Utgård AI
Pablomatic - Pythium AI
Septimius Severus - Atlantis
Herr Heimlich - Mictlan AI


Endgame diversity mod CBM compatible: More then enough http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...6&postcount=71

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Just a friendly notice. *Almost* all games organized on this forum use llamaserver. if you are aware of this cool, but just in case you have not heard of it, i strongly recommend using llamaserver's PBEM server. it is what the vast majority of players are used to and it is much easier

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I'll keep that in mind for the future. Is there something inherently wrong with direct connect?

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no nothing at all. its just that 90% or more of the players here use it and don't use direct connnect. most people prefer it.

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I'll take Bogarus.

Direct Connect is usually bad because everyone nowadays has a dynamic IP address. If you have a static IP address or URL then you're cool, but DC fails when your IP address changes.

You can use www.llamaserver.net for PBEM which works quite well. Turn notifications come through your email and all you need to know is a tiny bit of file manipulation.

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I've been told dom3minions has a very static IP and has been up and had the same IP longer then llama, matryx and the wiki have been around, so no worries. People who wish to have email notification of turns, or who want turns emailed to them may request it, we can accommodate both. So if you want to play the game by email you can, But default will be direct connect.

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I'd like to go with Ryleth

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ill take a spot as Atlantis.

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Would like to take Jomon please

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i will take a pangea, but, only play for PBEM.

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Hi!

I would like to take Mictlan and PBEM.

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I would like to ask a favor of the people who have requested PBEM style. Would receiving turns by PBEM be adequate? Could you turn in your turns by direct-connect? I have been told setting up a game to do both at the same time is possible, but its never been done. The direct connection cannot be told to "see" incoming email turns. So emailed turns either have to not show up on the direct-connect display but the game still hosts when all turns are in, or the direct connect has to be taken down and put back up on a regular basis to force it to see all of the turned in turns.

To be blunt it would be a bit of a headache, and it would be much easier if you could turn it in by direct connect.

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Direct connect might give you more headache though. We can try direct connect first, but there are a few reasons that PBEM is better.

1. Direct connection requires the host to have his computer up constantly to maintain server.

2. Dynamic IP and firewall issues are a pain in the butt sometimes unless you use a proxy LAN server and even then you may need to forcebind IP to your proxy IP.

3. PBEM using Llama server is much easier to host and managed, and PBEM doesn't require the person to have internet all the time while he wants to play. From what I hear some people can't afford monthly payment internet, so they just play their turn at home then send the files through email at a library or internet cafe.

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While all of the above points are valid, I am not hosting the game, I'm just running it. Its being hosted on a server geared to run games with no problems. I've made doubly sure no one should have problems connecting, and as for the last, that's why I'm offering the PBEM alternative, I'm merely asking, if possible and convenient, that turns be turned in by direct connect. I am in no way stopping or saying don't PBEM.

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First: thanks for organizing this, Corvus.

I guess I could try to turn them in by direct connect, but im not sure.

We tried a direct connect game not long ago with one of my friends (between our computers), and there was some problem with my firewall or router or whatever (I dont know much about that stuff). All in all we couldnt fix it. Its likely I might be unable to play if PBEM is not an option.

So I'd much prefer llamaserver and PBEM, tho I understand its your game and I'm a guest here, so its just a telling of my preferences.

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Then I suggest you try out one of the vs ai games here to test, since its the same server we'll be using. If you can connect to one of the generated games you can connect to mine.
http://www.dom3minions.com/HostedGames.htm

And there is a link
http://game.dom3minions.com/how-to.html
with step-by-step instructions of how to connect to it.

If you don't want to play the game out just set yourself to ai in options.

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thanks!

I tried it, but when I click connect after having "game.dom3minions.com" typed in it totally freezes, I have to cold-reset my computer. any ideas?

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success!

I had to disable my firewall.

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Aah good, if anyone else has trouble connecting, try 70.36.184.129 instead of game.dom3minions.com

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Dear Corvus and guys!

I would like to withdraw from this game.
I wish u all much enjoyment in this. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Hi i'd love to join as marignon. PBEM as well please.

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im going to have to pull out of this one too. sorry guys.

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hi can i join as utguard

cheers

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Unless someone has an objection the map will be either Cradle of Dominions if its ten people, if more sign up in the day after we hit ten, it'll be Orania.

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Ok, I can handle one more game, and I want to try an LA era one. I am currently involved in two MP games, but have no other MP experience. One of those should be a short affair (only 4 players) so I can add this one.

I'll take LA Pythium if you'll have me.

My vote is for using the Ogre map, as it can handle many players and is really cool IMNSHO.

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Oh, and I will play by e-mail.

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I assume you mean this map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37672

Tell you what, get 2 more players to vote for it and I'll switch to it. If anyone else wants to propose a map, provide a link, and get votes for it, most votes before we start wins, players are free to change votes whenever they want.

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It is good to see another noob friendly game that encourages exploration by players. I also always liked Ballbarians AOM Ogre, though it may be too big for a small number of players. And I like the direct connect option, would work great for me since I'm in a team game via direct connect as well. If you will have me, I'd like join and to experiment with Agartha or Atlantis. I'm an intermediate level player, though somewhat noobish. If I am too experienced for the game though, I will back out.

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If someone feels inclined, please explain to me what "direct connection" is. Perhaps I can take advantage of that too.

Also, for my part I vote to let Sempronius, and other intermediate players join.

I do think that there need to be at least two underwater nations, if there are any at all, to avoid giving a single water nation a huge advantage.

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It says in the OP that all players are welcome =/

Direct connect is where instead of emailing and receiving turns by email, you open dominions 3 and click on network, then join existing dominions server, then you input the servers IP or address, put in the port, connect, and play your turn. Its generally more reliable then PBEM, but has its own problems if the server has a dynamic IP and firewalls.

On another note the host has been screwing around trying to get PBEM to work with a direct connect game and he hasn't had any luck so far, so at the moment I will have to retract the turn in turns by email option. You can still receive email notification, or receive turns by email, but you'll have to direct connect to the server to play them. If this changes and we get it working, I'll of course notify you.
For the people that have requested PBEM I'll do my best to help you get direct connect working, but I'll understand if you wish to bow out.

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Hello.
Although I know I'm hampering myself now, count me in as Agartha, please.
I vote for llamaserver (PBEM)

p.s. Although I, probably, do not count as noob or intermediate, I never ever played with CBM and I haven't played Dominions at all for about a year IIRC.

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Yes, Gandalf had been working on or thinking of a marriage of both PBEM and Direct Connect. It would have been great and probably would have been a first if successfully able to be carried out smoothly. Too bad. :mad: Maybe in the future.

Direct Connect means no files to move around or mess with, which is nice. After you design your pretender (password recommended) when you log on and select your nation, your pretender is uploaded automatically.

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Aren't you going to use the Llamabeast's Endgame Diversity Mod. It looks great, in my opinion, and should really do what it is aimed for. However, it's just an opinion.

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Ok, 10 people have signed up, but I'll wait to hear from the 3 that requested PBEM before I start the timer. If I don't hear from them by Saturday I'll take it as they're bowing out.

I'm trying to keep mods to minimum to keep it noob friendly, but if you can get 3 players besides yourself to vote for it, I'll add endgame diversity.

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I'll give it a try on direct connect then. I suppose you'll send us the address to connect to when you have it?

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I'm up for direct connect. Still i'd love email notofications please. I vote for ogre map too, looks great.

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I'm fine with direct connect. It was just a vote.

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I second the vote for End Game Diversity. ;)

Edit, Sorry, I should add assuming the diversity mod is compatible with CBM.

I do understand the desire to keep the game mod free though for noobs.

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I'll agree with Septimus. EGD mod ok provided compatible w/ CBM 1.6. I've not practiced on it, so I guess I'll have to run some tests first so I know how it shapes up. :S

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If you want email notification, text message to a cellphone, or the turn file when the game hosts, PM Gandalf Parker your email address or etc.

There is a CBM compatibility fix for lategame diversity, on page 8 so it should work. I might just throw it in so people have a counter to tartarian spam.

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Recommend attaching fixed version to opening post of this thread should you guys go with lategame diversity. There are no known conflicts with CBM in the fixed version. It should work perfectly.

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I would like to point out that the Ogre map seems to have some VERY bad starting provinces. I'm frequently getting 3 neighbor starts and this last time I got a 2 neighbor start.

I'm fine if you want to use it, but I reserve the right to mulligan if I get a 2-neighbor starting province. :-)

The other option is to fix the starting provinces or... if the map has been updated since the version I'm using, perhaps those provinces have already been eliminated as starting locations?

Additionally, due to the sheer number of available water provinces (the map is intended for 3 water players), I'm going to say that my prediction is that either R'lyeh or Atlantis will win.

Additionally, (again with the water advantage), All land movement between the four land provinces is restricted to single choke points whereas movement via the sea is extremely unrestricted meaning that not only do the water nations have a numerical advantage in terms of land size, a land nation must also defend a much larger area against them. The ending of this game is therefore predicted to by Atlantis vs. R'lyeh who will optimally take the following strategy:

Enter into a "Last 2" alliance and split the water provinces evenly among them (23 each) and then do a NAP until all land nations are eliminated.

There are 56 land provinces per land nation, but land nations have great difficulty controlling water provinces against sea nations in early and into early-middle game since they cannot hire defenses or naturally travel there (with a couple of exceptions) which means that the water nations have 23 incontestable provinces each for at least 30-50 turns until strong undead, aquatic summons, and the living castle come into play. Sounds very cushy for the water boys.

Not saying I won't work at it or that I'm disgruntled--I always enjoy a challenge. I'm just sayin'... might be a little skewed especially for really new players.

I would recommend that when you build your pretender and formulate your strategy keep the advantage of the water nations in mind, but don't go overboard. Just make sure you have a way to get into the water. LA R'lyeh's dominion is also quite dangerous, so ensuring that you can keep their dominion from spreading into your lands is also a good idea, but that's enough "table talk", I think.

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I have constructed two adjusted versions of the Ogre Map which eliminate either all start positions with fewer than 3 neighbors (3up) or all start positions with fewer than 4 neighbors (4up).

I also noticed that 2 and 3 neighbor provinces are the rule, not the exception, so the 3up version is probably sufficient. There are also some provinces that have quite large numbers of neighbors (6-7)--decreasing the total number of starting provinces increases the chance of starting on one of these.

Both versions of the map are found here. All of the additions are at the very end and are denoted for easy readability.

These are .map files only.

I also vote to change the map to the 3up or 4up version posted here.

Disclaimer: I may have made a few errors (I'll say less than 2%)--I was going as quickly as possible.

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I second Verjigorm and ask that version with no less than 4 neighbor starts is used.

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Well according to what verjigorm said i'd rather play on different map.

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Well, Kupi, you see there are ways to deal with the problem such as a Land vs. Water alliance. 2 sea nations versus all the land nations combined strength would result in the sea nations losing. There are always such interesting possibilities when diplomacy enters the game which is why I like MP so much.

I'm all for sticking with the current map provided, as I said, the provision whereby no one get stuck with a 2-neighbor starting province.

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I vote for endgame diversity.

We could play the ogre map, but allow no water nations?

Or another map, I don't care that much, I just like the choke points and interesting layout of the Ogre map. I'm good with whatever the consensus turns out to be.

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If I see correctly, the game is still open to joining players? Like to hop in as Mictlan, if that is ok.

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I really hope this game will start soon as it already has 10 players anyway.

Herr Heimlich
Welcome aboard. Do you want endgame diversity? We miss one vote at the moment.

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Thank you, I do in fact want endgame diversity :D
About the map, I join whatever has the majority at the time.