Filter options for SAMs
 

Can some be added please? So that we don't have Patriots, S-300s, etc firing all their missiles at UAV's and scout planes and then not have any missiles or opportunity to fire at the, you know, actual enemy bombers and stuff...

It's very annoying to have set up a good air defense for long medium and short range threats and have your best of them waste their ammo like this. It's absurd to fire these missiles at low value targets like the above.

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Price for having long-range SAMs on board ;)

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What are you talking about? Forget the long range sams. No matter what air defense you have, it's just plain wrong to waste missiles on them when you know there is a good chance of bombers coming to attack. It's just a gamey trick to use. It has nothing to do with reality or wargaming. I understand there is perhaps very little it can be done about it due to the oldness of the code or something, but to also not mention it, is wrong.

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The idea is on the list for consideration

Don

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UAV/scout plane (same thing, same class) - are primary recce elements for your enemy. They can return for another peek at you very quickly. Therefore I'm perfectly happy to see them be deleted.

If your enemy has used slots on UAV, then he has reduced the number of strike flights he can buy. And modern UAV with high EW and TI are not very cheap assets, either. If a human opponent is using these to soak up SAM - then let him, I say. Free VP. Your SAM do have ammo resupply, of course?.

Any air defence should be layered - relying on just a few LR-SAM without the backup of several MANPADS and SP-AAA/SAM as a backup is poor tactics. (Me, I first buy as many ZSU-23-4 (or similar) radar SP-AAA as I can, then some decent MANPADS (and/or 40mm or 57mm radar AAA), before thinking of SP or LR SAM systems :)!)

However - if you think such tactics are gamey, then agree a limit to UAV numbers pre-game (the AI does not use spotter planes). 1 or 2 UAV in support of a battlegroup is reasonable - more may not be.

Andy

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Area SAMs maybe not targeting UAVs spotters but have the option guessing game to switch off.
If the UAV survives an attack from the likes of a patriot so it takes more than one missile theres a good chance the plane would have to if you transfered the die rolls to it so no real effect on the game. If it shot it down with the first missile the saved your less effective AA letting off multiple shots to down it.
Small games its a problem as limited AA assets but bigger games its a guessing game what reloads etc can the manpads hold things off while I do esp if helos are about to.

Needs thought to work on what does shoot at them modern Russia has a whole range of unit types for instance while British has 3 including manpads.
If you said Rapiers dont fire that leaves manpads & stormer only to engage it but go back to the 80s & now its just manpads.
What I am trying to say is its a game & some OOBs would be far better off dealing with UAVs than others if it was done on class, realise you were asking for a switch to choose.

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A while back I also requested that SAMs not fire at UAV/Obs type aircraft.
Missiles are a very limited ammo supply generally high $ item in anyones military and any commancer that wasted them shooting at a UAV would himself quite probably be shot.

Let the AAGs bang away, but save the SAMs/MANPADs for "real" aircraft.

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Also depends on which UAVs... Maybe SAMs not firing on size 0-1 aircrafts? Could cover also Stealth crafts (though they usually ended in massive amounts of AA fired, just hitting squat)

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...and if you code the game so those units didn't fire at small targets we'd have howls from 10X as many people.

AS I SAID..... it's on the list for Andy and I to discuss when we start work on the game again. PERSONALLY I do not belive something like a patriot should be firing at a UAV

Don

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It's slightly off-topic but would it be possible to consider that AI can use spotter planes, too? So, for example if the AI assaults ,it checks (planned) approach route etc.?

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Thank you for the consideration and all for the contribution to this thread.

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Hi
I am reacting to this little bit late but still.

There were presented some opinions about heavy SAMs depleting its missiles against UAVs. I think that it is actually very realistic and should not be changed. There are usually many articles about fight between aircrafts and SAMs but usually there are also very little really valuable informations and one understated information is about using UAVs against heavy SAMs already since early 70s. In every dedicated SEAD operation since 80s were used UAVs to overload SAMs radar screens with targets and impact of UAVs have been actually larger then impact of active jamming. There are many specialized types of UAVs to simulate flight profile of different aircrafts and esspecially older type of engagement radars have no means to distinguish UAV from combat aircraft. So at this time we can in game saturate any SAM group with UAVs and that is exactly how it is done in reality and why SAMs have so low score in last 30 years although operators of SAMs reports so many kills.

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Why?,when there is so many human players that will do that:)

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That's the thing, in real life, the UAVs can easily be shot down by any modern nation. In the game, they are too damn difficult to shoot down. If you want to saturate the air defenses with UAVs, that's fine with me, but give options to the defender to choose if they are going to attack them or at the very least, make it so that they can be easily shot down. It takes way way way too many missiles for a UAV to get shot down. Most if not all of the time it should be close to 1:1 ratio, one shot one kill. So if the attacker wants to waste 10 or 20 UAVs, let him.

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Buying UAV/spotter rcce,it's a like robbing your precious airpoints to get some intel.

Most times get shot down relativley quickly because of higher altitude.

Helio's can get same intel use terrian as cover and can pack a lethal punch as a bonus.

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I think, depending on the system in question (real life), some of the larger LR SAMs do not or will not lock on to something that small. Either by design or happenstance system design flaw (SAM-2).

OTOH: I know the Russians made a point out of using AAM's to shoot down at least one Georgian UAV prior to their invasion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNpABtIKERg

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Game-wise I'd much rather burn up as many as a dozen UAV's exposing the AI's positions before I move a single ground unit. Ground units take objectives, UAV's cannot. UAV's are much cheaper then MBT's purchase points wise.

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