Lvtp5
 

Does anyone know where I can find a GOOD top view photo of a LVTP5 on the 'net ? I've been looking for a couple of days on and off and still have not found one. Even a good top shot of a model of one would do but so far all I've found that is even close just does not show what I need to see

Don

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OF COURSE I found some right after I gave up and asked......OF COURSE

What I found was good photos of a model but if anyone has an actual top down photo let me know

Don

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A good general source, though not for this specific case (only a side view for the LVTP5).

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/

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Yeah , That was the first place I looked :)

Problem solved, the views I managed to piece together turned out to be quite complete and an new version of that vehicle will be entered into the SHP files

Don

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Don,
Gave myself a quick break and distraction, understand you got what you needed but here's a couple of pics as well for any that might want them. Ran into the same problem - models except for last. Back to the salt mine and will meet the deadline hopefully a couple of days earlier.
Pics:
Attachment 10772 Attachment 10773

Attachment 10774

Regards,
Pat

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Modifying the existing LVTP5 icon I presume?

Best I know the USA never used a cammo painted version.
The Philippines got most of the P5 inventory when the USMC upgraded to P7's in the 70's, and they may well have repainted them.

Any chance you'll be adding an AAVE7 MCLC (i.e. an AAVP7 with a mine plow) icon next update?

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Redoing completely, not modifying
Easilly enough done. A photo of a AAV with a plow attached would be nice becasue I have not been able to find a photo of an P7 with a plow attached and we don't do line charge Mine clearing in the game

Don

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<<Edited>>

Seems they've scrapped the plow for the AAV since the introduction of the AVB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBy0y2jAHpI

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AVB ?

Methinks you mean ABV (Assault Breacher Vehicle)

It's been in the OOB's for a couple of months

I assume that means I can toss anything in the AAV or the LVTE class with a mine plow that starts after the ABV out of the USMC OOB ?

If they just scrapped the plow there must be at least one photo of one with it ( I just canna find it .)

Don

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Once the ABV (AVB was a typo) is introduced feel free to toss the LVTE mine plow class, and of course the M728 CEV.
The LVTE's were kept around to supplement/substitute for the CEV (since they didn't have many and they were too slow with the introduction of the M1A1).

Like EVERYTHING in the USMC the plows weren't scrapped, just placed in storage.
Same as the M20 3.5" bazooka were till at least 1985.
Same as the M14's still are :D

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I'll have a look at it. If things still look useful I'll leave them in. The ABV isn't amphibious

Well, you never know when you'll need to punch a real hole in something...... :)

Methinks most "modern" marines who trained on the M16 would get a real wake up after a day at the range with an M14.

Don

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With the plow attachment the LVT isn't amphibious either. Makes them a "bit" bow heavy.

Agreed, I (any may others) MUCH prefer the M14.
So it weighs a bit more, and is a little longer...you can reach out and touch someone at 600m and unlike the 5.56 with a 7.62 you know they're not getting back up.

Mind if I ask a question?
They still use those silly Sten Guns in the UK?
I fired one once (around 1975) had a devil of a time hitting a man-size target at 50m.

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Sten gone by the 50's, replaced with Sterling, the "SMG" or Small Metal Gun. Improvement on Sten - magazine was double column so less stoppages.

I only used once on the ranges, about 50m, was not greatly impressed. It did have a bayonet lug, and being all metal, one could thump the enemy with it I suppose after sticking him. It was however more useful than the browning 9mm pistol. But I think pistols are really only issued as a weight to keep maps from flying away - a rock of equivalent mass would cause less ND problems etc than issuing pistols and would damage the enemy as much (or more) :).

Was only issued (in the infantry in the 70s) to drivers, WOMBAT RCL crews, signallers etc for personal protection. Stock folded up, was easy to carry slung so without magazine. Not seen in the rifle platoon as a standard weapon - radioman might scrounge one, but most preferred to keep hold of the issue SLR.

Officers carried SLR, a few pistols we had remained in the armoury permanently (There were no qualifications for any of the company personnel on it). SMG did go on exercise and had no blank adaptor, so were a good skive to carry - since they would not get full of crud and need a decoke.

SA80 series seems to have replaced the use of SMG, but then they made the shortie carbine version of that as well so reduced length weapon must have its needs. Seems to be issued to dog handlers, vehicle crewman etc - again more for personal defence ?.

Cheers
Andy

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I'm a bigger guy so the extra weight didn't bother me I preferred the M-14 over the M-16 as well. There's a reason some spec op/snipers still use them today. Darn sad day as well when they replaced our 1911 Colt .45's with the 9mm as well. Sorry for getting off topic here.

Regards,
Pat

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Hmmm.. so you cannot land them at the beach with the plows on and therefore cannot use them on the beach ( in retrospect I can see your point that they wouldn't swim well with that on . I will make the adjustments in the OOB)

So would the plows be transported to the beachhead separately then installed later?


Don

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Don,
If I understand what you're looking for this might help.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../1984/DDWF.htm
About half way down it talks about the need to use local indigenous plows or bulldozers to keep the beaches clear and at the time the need of landing with D-5 CATs for beach clearing ops in the second or third wave of a beach assault as an option. It does discuss warm weather ops and note this is from 1984. So I would agree later they must have decided to bring them in during later waves and field attached them. Best that I can do on the quick! Hope it helps?

Regards,
Pat

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Yup.

Pretty much the same with the plow on the Abrams too.
I'm not sure if an M1A1 with the plow attached will fit on an LCAC, it may be too long for the cargo bay.

Since the subject sorta-kinda seems to be "assault beach landings"...
For an assault landing the USMC generally relies on man-portable obstacle breaching devices.
Since WinSPMBT doesn't deal with line-charges, bangalores, etc. just add some extra infantry engineers for a beach assault scenario to represent the breaching devices that would be issued to the regular infantry units in such a situation.

Should the need arise there are plans (on paper anyway) to land armored bulldozers via LSTs. As I understand it the armor came from the old WWII CA's that were broken up. With like 8 inches of armor the dozers would only move like 3mph *LOL*