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earwicker7

February 11th, 2011 07:29 PM

Midget Masher

The description says that this item does extra damage to smaller opponents... does this mean smaller than you, or is it a generic "small" size (I'd guess 1 or 2)?

Soyweiser

February 11th, 2011 07:35 PM

Re: Midget Masher

*Channel IRC*

[Sombrero] smaller than you.
[Calawank] see. insulting yourself to hide your true ID. text book deflection tactic
[Sombrero] It doesn't care how much smaller.
[Soyweiser] I assume smaller than you, but I wasn't sure.
[Sombrero] Just smaller (yes/no).
[Soyweiser] great.

So use it on a large guy. Hero blade (added in CBM does the opposite, so it does damage on larger beings, use it on markata).

earwicker7

February 11th, 2011 07:44 PM

Re: Midget Masher

Cool. Thanks!

brxbrx

February 11th, 2011 08:04 PM

Re: Midget Masher

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

earwicker7

February 11th, 2011 08:13 PM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

The way I look at it, if you have a large commander, you should be getting swarmed if you have a smart opponent, so better to be able to knock some skulls when they come at you :D

Soyweiser

February 11th, 2011 08:16 PM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 770868)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

The way I look at it, if you have a large commander, you should be getting swarmed if you have a smart opponent, so better to be able to knock some skulls when they come at you :D

Or if your enemy uses Bane's as raiding thugs, drop a flying quickend sleeper with midgetmasher on them. SLEEPER MASH!

brxbrx

February 11th, 2011 08:17 PM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 770868)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

The way I look at it, if you have a large commander, you should be getting swarmed if you have a smart opponent, so better to be able to knock some skulls when they come at you :D

But they'll still get at you, since you can only kill one at a time.

Stavis_L

February 11th, 2011 08:44 PM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

In CBM 1.7 (haven't checked 1.8) it does AOE 1 damage like a fire/frost brand (but -15 damage). So, on a very large, very strong unit (e.g. an ettin) it can be quite effective.

Finalgenesis

February 12th, 2011 02:31 AM

Re: Midget Masher

the AoE is already in cbm 1.6 I think.

the -15 damage modifier is gigantic, with 25 str you only do 10 damage, doubled against smaller opponent, on a 2-handed weapon...

I'm unsure whether the damage is doubled before subtracting prot or if only the damage that goes through prot will double, anyone know?

Soyweiser

February 12th, 2011 07:27 AM

Re: Midget Masher

Final, that I don't know, I would suspect before. But that is an assumption. Could you test it with the debug mode on?

Soyweiser

February 12th, 2011 10:06 PM

Re: Midget Masher NSFW

Quote:

[Sombre] Doubled before.
[Maerlande] But seriously, that midget masher thread is ****ing moronic.
[Trumanator] heh
[Maerlande] The goddamn thing is lethal.
[Maerlande] I know
[Maerlande] I beat the **** out of everything with it.
[Maerlande] And 5E const 0
[Maerlande] How can you go wrong?
[Sombre] Grump?
[Sombre] **** you!
[Maerlande] Haha!
[Sombre] Midget masher does wonders on several pretenders.
[Maerlande] Nice comeback.
[Maerlande] Yup
[Maerlande] For christ's sake.
[Sombre] But it is two handed.
[Sombre] People hate that.
[Maerlande] 5 damage AOE with fear is gruesome.
[Maerlande] Say a str 20 pretender
[Maerlande] Er actually that's 10 damage AOE
[Trumanator] risen oracle likes it
[Maerlande] I put it on a DoW
[Trumanator] heh
[Sombre] Lord of Rebirth.
[Maerlande] With a shield and another weapon
[Sombre] Any of the titans.
[Maerlande] ****ing sick man
[Trumanator] cyclops
[Maerlande] 27 Str
[Sombre] Yeah clops.
[Maerlande] Six 6
[Sombre] clops only needs a weapon.
[Maerlande] Yeah
[Sombre] Everything else is great.
[Maerlande] Stupid ****ers
[Trumanator] though I haven't seen a cyclops in AGES

filler because my message would other wise be to short.

kianduatha

February 13th, 2011 01:23 AM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

First, it's AOE 1. Second, it gets through defense and ethereal screens, both of which destroy trampling attempts.

Finalgenesis

February 13th, 2011 02:13 AM

Re: Midget Masher

My first MP game back in cbm 1.6 had me test out 2 midget smasher to counter Eriu glamour thugs. They did not pop the mirror image.

I then made a test game and tested midget/ice/fire brand on non-immune mirror image thugs (all 0 prot air queens if you're curious, loaded with dual parrying knife and cat charm). notably, they also did not pop images or mistform. It took 10+ rounds before mist+image is popped in some cases.

I could only conclude that getting hit by an AoE dmg effect from a weapon goes through a physical dodge check (rather then AoE auto hit), but in actuality I don't know what the exact mechanic happening is. I assume but am unsure if things like shadow brand or stone sword works via a different mechanic.

If some vet can enlighten me that'd be great!

brxbrx

February 13th, 2011 06:35 AM

Re: Midget Masher

Quote:

Originally Posted by kianduatha (Post 770986)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx (Post 770867)

I guess it'd mostly be useful in the arena, or for assassinations, since you can only really hammer at one little person at a time. You'd get swarmed, otherwise. Doesn't beat trample.

First, it's AOE 1. Second, it gets through defense and ethereal screens, both of which destroy trampling attempts.

in cbm

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