vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I originally ran something like this using winSPMBT but thought I might try a winSPWW2 version.

Basically it would be a multi-player team style Combat Campaign but all players would be on the same team and fight the AI. It is similar to Wulfir's Dynamic Campaigns in that each player will have a core force that they command through the entire campaign from battle to battle BUT the team will have a single overall objective managed on an operational level map.

I'm still working out the mechanics and some other details however, the theme will be 1930, Russian Far East, re-ignition of the Russian Civil War. In other words the exiled White's and their allies sneak back into Russia and start crap all over again under cover of the world plunging into a depression.

Any questions, comments, etc please post here?

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How would the operational level things be simulated?
Free DL players could be in?

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Working on that at the moment but basically players will command their own force (purchased from a list of available units in the RED OOB, probably April 1930 with units pulled from the Soviet OOB) placed on the operational map. They will then give orders to me as referee on their actions such as move directions and depending if their side has the Strategic Initiative either Operations (offensive) or Defensive orders;

OPERATIONS

• Probe
• Assault and Hold
• Breakthrough

DEFENSE

• Hold
• Fighting Withdrawal
• Counterattack

Each of the above has further detailed suborders and is what your "mission" would be for a scenario in your unique campaign files.

Based on your results each battle, your choice of action each turn (probably a week in game time), your fellow commanders results and enemy strategic actions I will build out the next scenario.

I know that's really vague overview but should be a good start.

Also, its meant to be a fun game and no players are really competing against each other. You are all after a single objective, defeat of the resurgent White's and their allies and maybe some forum bragging rights on which Comrade let the revolution down most in its time of need. :D

Yes, anyone could play, DL or CD.

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I would be interested in theory, but the scenario doesn't really grab me tbh.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I'm interested. Count on me.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I'll probably keep this small and limited to about 4-5 battles per player and as far as scale as this would primarily be a test run to make sure all the steps and processes get thoroughly documented for a future project with a more broadly interesting theme.

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I'm with Ts4EVER on the scenario, but for a short campaign to get the process debugged and documented, sure count me in. I do hope the core forces can be small though, like on the order of a reinforced infantry company or so.

Brian

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Thats the plan, maybe 2 companies in size max. Players will purchase and configure their custom force from a set pool of points and available units. Also maps will be 30x30, air, artillery and vehicles extremely limited. Turns set to about 12-15.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I welcome any recommendations for the followup campaign although not sure it will be WWII or Modern. I will need to do some research for the theme/background well in advance so any early hints would be useful. I am looking for something that would allow players to pick from a range of nations to build their core force from so winSPMBT may be the way to go as I'm not sure WWII would allow that. ;)

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You'd have to pry my cold dead fingers away from my winSPWWII CD edition widescreen :D I don't normally play winSPMBT, great game, but not my area of interest (not sure I even have a patched version of the free game installed).

If you want players to be able to choose from a variety of nations, there are two theatres that immediately come to mind: Eastern Front with players as German or Axis minor powers; Western Front with players as any of a number of Allied nations.

For the Eastern Front there were also SS units comprised primarily of foriegn volunteers (and sometimes conscripts), modeling them is quite possible from the German OOB.

If you absolutely must have multinational core forces with winSPWWII you could simply provide players with a map and condition specifications (buy points, visibility, length, engagement type, date, sides), the players would then create the first scenario using the map buying only the HQ unit for the opposing player but otherwise buying their core force. They save the scenario and send it to you where you can then setup the opfor, save scenario and use it to create a custom campaign.

This would allow the player to buy allied/captured units from other nations for their core force. It would also allow them to more easily customize formations to model specific TOEs. Of course, the honor system would have to be invoked to avoid anyone modifying unit data for nefarious purposes.

The other option, though more work for you, is just to have the players send you their desired core force TOEs.

Brian

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The best way of having a multi national force in ww2 would be the Italian front.

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I'm in if you still need a player
Belgium '40
Normandy '44
could be used aswell...
Russian civil war could be done if equipment is EXTREMELY limitated to fit the time period(tanks, MGs, planes and guns, grunts are always grunts)

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

For anyone even remotely interested in being involved in this you may want to get familiar with the April-June 1930 Soviet OOB as that is the units you will be building your Core Force from AND where the White forces, your main opposition, will be taken from. :D

I would also recommend getting familiar with the US, British and Japanese OOB's from the same time frame as these are the White Force allies. ;)

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

[quote=Double_Deuce;774798]I originally ran something like this using winSPMBT but thought I might try a winSPWW2 version.

Basically it would be a multi-player team style Combat Campaign but all players would be on the same team and fight the AI. It is similar to Wulfir's Dynamic Campaigns in that each player will have a core force that they command through the entire campaign from battle to battle BUT the team will have a single overall objective managed on an operational level map.


Sometimes I think. What good would be to combine a game like Panzer Campaigns is an operational level but the outcome of battles with SP. Something like Medieval Total War 2 for driving the strategy and tactics in battle.
In this case you might choose a region, set up two opposing armies and create a situation.
With the number of players could play at the division level with three battalions per player (team). Bone with 3 players per team, we have a division.
The issue is creating the situation. There are war games which have been used for example in the second war and previous wars inclusive. I'm investigating to see if I can find material about it.
With those games Zhukov for example envisioned that the Russian defense would collapse against a German attack, the Germans discovered that an attack on Normandy would put in a bind. So these games ended up being true.
Now the funny thing is that we fight the little battles with SP.
I think we can play historical campaigns or hypothetical. I believe with a hypothetical campaign would be greater the challenge.

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I'm onboard. Matter's not to me regarding time frame or forces involved. :up:

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Have done it before, probably 6-7 times over the last 9-10 years. Its not something that's really easy. You are talking several year commitment from everyone involved.

You can see some games I ran over the years where a few links still work;

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200...ll.com/ddmain/

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200...imea/index.htm

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200...red_snow.shtml
http://www.combat-campaigns.com/red_snow/
http://www.combat-campaigns.com/inde...oard,97.0.html

http://www.combat-campaigns.com/spmbt/nato_wp/

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I would go for any 1930's battle,whatever forces but you should concider the spanish civil war (SCW),there's alot potential there on both sides being very nearly equal and different strategies that would be used:)

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Is very good. In some of that thought but it is certain to be difficult. You could implement some of these campaigns here?
Then see these links for more time to see how organized these campaigns.

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I thought about that but I have an RCW itch that needs scratching at the moment. :D

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I would go for any battle in any period lol!
Sure a few ones have more toys than others...

RCW "vs AI Campaign" Force Purchase Guidelines
 

OK, here are the base guidelines for purchasing your Core Force for the Russian Civil War II "vs AI Campaign" game.

Please download the attached .txt file which includes the units and their costs.

You have 400 Points to spend on your TOTAL Force and you can use up to 100 of those points for purchasing from the Support Units/Weapons list. You obviously have to Purchase the Soviet HQ so that takes 59 of those 400 points off the top actually only leaving you with 341 points to BUY units. ;)

Also, some units comes with transportation (those units are prefaced by a + and their costs have been added to the unit they are "attached to"). For example if you purchase a "Maxim HMG [1]" the "Pack Mules" are included on the purchase price.

Once you have worked out your force, post it in this thread and I will work up the base campaign files to be used by you for the campaign.

I will then start posting the campaign overview, background and operational map with graphics so we can get the ball rolling.

PLEASE NOTE: You will need to be semi-familiar with the CAMPAIGN EDITING Menu's. At minimum you will need to know how to unzip files and move the files in those zips to their appropriate folder in your winSPWW2 directory. .txt files will go into your Campaigns folder while the .dat and .cmt scenario files to your Scenarios folder. You also need to know how to "import" those Scenarios into the correct NODE slot in your campaign in the Campaign Editor and how to adjust/set the Build, Support and Flights columns as needed in the Campaign Editor.

Any questions please ask.

Re: RCW "vs AI Campaign" Force Purchase Guidelines
 

Are we getting any arty support other than what we buy?
same goes for other units(grunts, heavy weapons, air, tanks, cavalry)

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Some hard choices, some easy ones, interesting! :)

I'm going to go with:

If possible, I'd like my Marines to be in three platoons of three sections each. I'd also prefer my mortar section to be in its own group. For the rest it doesn't matter though I'd prefer at least the support units be kept separate from base units.

This has possibilities, thanks,
Brian

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I can do that.

Re: RCW "vs AI Campaign" Force Purchase Guidelines
 

Your core force is only what is listed and is all you can rely on for the campaign. Replacements, reinforcements, reserves and added support depend on your mission (each scenario) and if the Regional Commander (me for now) thinks you are worth the risk of squandering his limited resources based on feedback from my Commissar's. (I am in the final stages of fleshing out a campaign management system for this).

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

As a caveat, each of you will be assigned a Political Commissar unit as part of your force. How you "manage" him in your battles can bring you great benefit as well as extreme hardship as the campaign progresses.

If you allow his "unit" into positions where they can gain kills he will happily report your glory in service the State to the Regional Commissar and they will look favorably upon you as an up and coming commander. This will likely result in extra bodies to lead and extra ammo for your guns. You may also see the glorious Red Air Force over your sector more often.

However, if you allow his "unit" to get killed, and you survive the campaign, your future may involve being one of the first lucky visitors to the new Gulag System our leaders are in the process of setting up.

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And if you think you can get him out of your hair by getting him killed, I can assure you he will be replaced in time for your next venture onto the battlefield. :D

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Ok here is my OOB.

HQ/cost 59

Marines/cost 20

82mm Mortars (x2)/cost 64

Maxim HMG (x2)/cost 32

Cossaks-Lancers (x9)/cost 225

Total Cost 400

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

After some consideration, please attach the Marines and the Commissar unit to the HQ.

Leave the Mortars,HMG seperate,and divide the Cossaks into three platoons of 3 each. Leaving them seperate from other units as well.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

You should be able to cross attach the Marines to the HQ once the campaign start, when deploying. I'm try to keep units under their own ID's to maximum the Leader status.

The Commissar is always its own unit and will not be allowed to be attached to anyone.

Draft Campaign Introduction
 

Here is the draft campaign overview;

Questions, comments, etc? Please ask. ;)

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Had to make a minor change to the OOB as far as the transport for the 82mm Mortar Sec. The Pack Mules cannot carry them so the new transport for the 82mm Mortar Sec is a Wagon. I just left the point totals as is to avoid the recalculating. Would be minor amount of points anyway.

Re: Draft Campaign Introduction
 

This is interesting,what if he get's to see no action? But stays alive.

Is this a car unit with three people in it, or 2 people riding in a car with one driver?

Small units like this can disappear quickly in heated battle.:fire:

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

2 Companies of 9 sections possible? Long live cheap grunts!A shame i couldn't get more engineers, but heavy weapons were more of a priority if russian soldiers are poorly trained

btw, what's the base experience value?

Re: Draft Campaign Introduction
 

If he sees no action and stays alive thats maintaining the status quo, no harm no foul. What I did is pick the Green OOB Motor Observer unit > the Staff Car (Green OOB) with the Forward Observer (2 peeps, FO and driver).

The main reason for including them and picking this "theme" I thought it would make a good way to add in some extra variables, and spice things up.

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That comes out to 458 points (373 Base + 85 Support)?

9xRifle section 144 used (+144)
2xMaxim HMG 176 used(32 support) (+32)
1x82mm mortar 208 used(64 support (+23)
1xEngineers(regular ones) 229 used (85 support) (+21)
2xScouts 255 used (+26)
9xrifle section 399 used (+144)

I don't think the text file was especially clear on that but the total force cannot exceed 400 points with up to 100 of those points being used form the support list. That would put you 58 points over the total point limit.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I'll be starting a new thread for the actual campaign here shortly. I will post your orders, files and additional information and instructions there for easier tracking.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

No, The TOTAL force value is 399, and 85 of these are support
btw, 82mm mortar sec listed as 32 points, not 23, are we using the same files?

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

The Support forces are 85 (yeah that was typo on the Mortar, it is 32 points) but the core forces are showing as 373, you have to include the HQ unit too which is the difference between our totals.

1xHQ [59]
9xRifle section [144]
2xScouts 255 used [26]
9xrifle section [144]

2xMaxim HMG [32]
1x82mm mortar [32]
1xEngineers(regular ones) [21]

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Remember, I want to participate. :)

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Then you need to review this post "RCW "vs AI Campaign" Force Purchase Guidelines" and submit your starting OOB selection in this thread. Make sure you count the 59 points you need to use for the HQ unit against the 400 total force points. ;)

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I have your campaigns set up and the 1st full scenario included BUT I started the official thread in the wrong section. :doh:

Once I get that thread moved to the correct place I will post the campaign files and you two can have at it. :up:

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Thanks for your effort.

Look forward to starting this.:up:

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Ok. My troops:
1 HQ (59)
5 Rifles (5x16 = 80)
2 Scouts (2x13 = 26)
4 Cossacks (4x25 = 100)
1 Conscripts (16)
1 Sniper (23)
Subtotal: 304
Support:
82mm Mortar Sec 2 (64)
2 Maxim HMG [1] (32)
Subtotal: 96
Total:400

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

I believe the base Experience is 55 and Morale is 60.

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I'll redo then:

1xUseless HQ unit (+59)
9xRifle section (+144)
2xMaxim HMG (32 support) (+32)
1x82mm mortar (64 support (+32)
1xEngineers(regular ones) (85 support) (+21)
2xScouts (+26)
4xrifle section (+64)
1xFAI (+17)

A company of 13 Sections.
Looks like i got luxury resources with my armoured car.
If i'm not mistaken that brings the total to 395.

My force looks weird, i'm still thinking i lack something in my core...

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I didn't get the wagons. And there is no Commissar unit in the first scenario I got. Will it be AUX?

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Looks like I forgot to overwrite the zip files. Should be corrected and an updated copy uploaded.

Yes, the Commissar is an AUX unit.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Your campaign files are just about ready, rechecking some things.

Re: vs AI Tournament (Actually a Campaign)
 

Hi DD,
If not too late.heres what i would go with:

HQ-59
Mountain Co.-291
82 mortar sec.-46
Total core pts. 396

Sorry for the large font size:)

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