"Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Twiceborn looks like a good deal, but i cant figure a way to kill enchant bearer with minimal risc of afflictions. Drowning doesn't seem to work - he drowns ok but doesn't ressurects. Barbarians tend to be crude surgeons leaving me with blind or feebleminded or armess/legless wights. What do you suggest?

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Some consider it an exploit but a bog beast/hydra set to guard has been used. I had much the same issue with twiceborn way back when..

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...wiceborn+crone

-ssj

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Thank you for a good idea. But what's with really tough guys like Agarthan Oracles? They don't die from poison in a reasonable time.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

You could give them a disease with a Fever Fetish. Once they're diseased they won't heal between battles/turns anymore. Couple that with the poison trick and they're bound to wind up dead soonish at which point the disease won't affect them any more.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

I should note all of these methods are likely to hand you a pile of afflictions. I'd think barbs are 'safer'.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Aside from poison, I think a single soul slay or lost magic duel might have low risk?
Cast regeneration first if possible?

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

So, everything boils down to "one powerfull blow" vs "lots of small hp losses"

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Burden of Time.

:)

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Why do you want to change form anyway? Twiceborn is kind of an insurance policy against death, seems a shame to waste your first life deliberately.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Upkeep costs.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

That and the undead are cool.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

And not too bad as thugs.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Allows you to use all that cold, poison and death magic based battlefield spells freely.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

just don't try wish. that leaves huge marks. yeah, a clean resurrection has long been a dilemma for me, too.
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Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Try lycanthopos amulet : the commander will go berserk and be killed by the first indy province you send him to, and thanks to regen he will be much less likely to get an affliction.

And best of all, the twiceborn will make sure that the "curse" of the amulet is removed (all items are lost with the death of the commander, and even if you were unlucky to transform into a werewolf, the previously casted twiceborn should remedy to that)

Of course this will add some natures gem to the transformation ...

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Are you sure you drowned him inside your dominion?

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

You can always send the commander to a province with a site that causes disease.... the problem is only that the wight will have only a single hit point and you will probably accumulate some afflictions before the commander dies....

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

see, that's not what the OP wants. Wights born of disease come back as crippled halfwits incapable of casting the simplest spell, or even lead more than ten undead.

The OP wants a clean kill. So do I, actually. I was quite disappointed when Wish did not grant me that. The OP wants his commander to die without injuries.

Theory to the rescue!
 

This is just theory mind you, I have never gone for a wish strategy and I hardly use undead so I might be overlooking something, but...

If casting wish is on the table, why don't you just use a wish to cure the wight of all afflictions?

Alternatively, summon a unit with heal (if you can) to get rid of the wights wounds.

I think all of the cleanest kills are already suggested.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Because 1) Wish doesn't do that.
2) Healing (except for GoH and the Chalice) doesn't work on undead.

Theory failed...
 

Okay, not that then.

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Can't you wish for The Chalice ?

Re: "Painless" Doc Jhonson, or how to kill your commander
 

Wishing for the Chalice would work. Total overkill, though.