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Cross April 23rd, 2011 10:59 AM

British and Soviet Soft Skinned Vehicles
 
I’ve been looking at the game’s unarmoured transport. I’d like to use this thread to suggest some improvements and corrections.

I’ll also post some icons I made, that anyone can use or edit if they wish.


The following rough guide may be helpful to some people. There’s exceptions, but as a general rule:

Utility Vehicles
Wgt. class: 5, 8cwt
Size: 2
Carry: 6 men (in addition to crew)

Light Trucks
Wgt. class: 15cwt (3/4 ton)
Size: 2 or 3
Carry: 12 men

Medium Trucks
Wgt. class: 30cwt (1.5 ton)
Size: 3
Carry: 12/18 men

Heavy Trucks
Wgt. class: 3 ton +
Size: 4
Carry: 24/30 men

Ammo Trucks
Size: 3

Barge Carriers
Size: 6


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Cross April 23rd, 2011 11:15 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
British Utility Vehicles

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8...snipetilly.gif

Austin 7 - unit 286 & 287

1. Could change name to Humber Snipe.

The Austin 7 was rare and so small it’d barely fit two large blokes. By WW2 few were still in the British army, but there were some in the BEF and in ‘Dad's Army’.

The Humber Snipe was much larger, originating in 1930 but with a more powerful 4086cc engine by 1938, giving it a road speed of 127 Kmh (technically the ‘Super Snipe’). About 6,500 were produced by 1940, and it was widely used in the British Army, most famously by Monty in North Africa and Europe:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/600/monty20109.jpg

Humber Snipe source
General info and speed:

The Super Snipe, introduced in October 1938, less than a year before the Second World War war was declared, was a design combining the older Humber Snipe model with a 4.1 litre inline six-cylinder engine taken from the larger Humber Pullman, its predecessor. This engine gave it an excellent performance, with a top speed of 79 mph (127 km/h) - fast for its day. With the outbreak of the Second World War, the Super Snipe was an obvious choice as a staff car, and was produced suitably camouflaged. The chassis also became a basis for the Humber Light Reconnaissance Car Marks I and II. This model represents 'Old Faithful', as used by Field Marshal Montgomery in his campaigns in North Africa and in Northwest Europe. The original car still exists and is currently on display at Duxford Airfield.
http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/

Humber Utility - unit 285

1. Could make the name a bit more descriptive:

Humber Box Heavy Utility
Humber Heavy Utility
Humber Box 4x4 or FWD

The Humber ‘Box’ Heavy Utility was well known and widely used as the only British 4x4 utility vehicle; it was a forerunner of the modern SUV.

2. The current speed of 18 could be adjusted, as this vehicle had a road speed of 101Kmh. It had the same powerful engine as the Snipe.

Photo of the Box
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8...oxandtilly.gif

Humber Box source
Speed:

The most important Humber apart from the Snipe was the 4x4 heavy utility. This was a remarkable vehicle, being the only four-wheel-drive machine of its size made in Britain at the time. It was intended for the same type of work as the Ford WOT2 being able to transport staff officers at high speed (maximum 63 mph) over good roads and at the same time to keep going were roads non-existent, on sand or deep mud.
Page 12, G.N. Georgano, World War Two Military Vehicles Transport and Halftracks, Osprey Automotive 1994


Austin ‘Tilly’ Light Utility
(aka. Austin 10HP G/YG Light Utility)

If you wanted to add a vehicle to this class, you might consider the ‘Tilly’, which was found in all sorts of units across the British Army. About 30,000 were produced during WW2.

Road speed: 89 Kmh
Drive: 4x2
Date: Apr 1940
Lbm: 30257
Size: 156x63 inches

Tilly top view
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/5...lytopview4.jpg

Tilly icon: (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches to a pixel)
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6...tintillyx2.png

Austin Tilly sources
General info:
http://austin.tillyregister.com/about.html

Speed 89 Kmh:
Page 3 and 9 of the original Driver’s Handbook says 55 Mph (89 Kmh) is maximum permissible road speed in top gear.
Handbook: http://austin.tillyregister.com/down...rshandbook.pdf

Available from April 1940:
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/austin10hp.htm



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Cross April 23rd, 2011 11:23 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
British Light Trucks 15cwt

I’ve read that in WW2 the British called 15cwt trucks “trucks” but 30cwt or heavier was a lorry!

Morris Quad GT...unit 104
Morris 15cwt...... unit 129
Morris 15cwt...... unit 288

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6...cwttrucks2.gif

Morris Quad GT - unit 104

1.Could adjust the name to ‘Morris C8 Quad FAT’.

2.Could review the speed of 15 as I’ve seen two sources (one is only Wikipedia) that say the C8 had a speed of 80Kmh, and one source that says just under 80Kmh.

Morris C8 Quad FAT sources
Speed 80Kmh:
http://www.tanksinworldwar2.com/uk-morris-c8-quad.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_C8
Just under 80Kmh:
http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HG4003


Morris 15cwt - unit 129

1. Could rename to ‘Morris CS8 15cwt’.
The CS8 was the second most produced British 15cwt truck (21,318 made).

2. Change from 4WD to 2WD.
The only British 4WD 15cwt trucks (AFAIK) were the Morris C8 Quad FAT (unit 104 above) and the Guy Quad-Ant.

3. Change avail date to 1934

4. Could use new icon.
Morris CS8 size: 189x73 inches

Morris CS8 15cwt source
Drive 4x2:
Available date 1934:
Size 189x73 inches:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedki...5cwt-truck.asp

Morris 15cwt - unit 288

1. Rename to Bedford MWD 15cwt
The Bedford MWD was the most famous and prolific 15cwt truck (65,000 produced).

2. Change from 4WD to 2WD.

3. Could change avail date from Jan 1930 to May 1939, unless causes OOB problems.

4. Change crew of 1 to crew 2.
All other trucks (accept some utility vehicles) have at least a crew of 2.

5. Could use new icon.
Morris MWD size: 172x78 inches

Bedford MWD and Morris CS8 image (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches to a pixel)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3...dmorriscs8.gif


Bedford MWD 15cwt sources
Drive 4x2:
Size 172x78 inches:
http://ww2db.com/vehicle_spec.php?q=R299

Available date May 1939:
The initial order for the deliverance of the MW to the British Forces was agreed on 2nd May 1939
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/bdmwc.htm




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Cross April 23rd, 2011 11:28 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
1.5 Ton (30cwt) Medium Lorries

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3...dwot830cwt.png

1&1/2 Ton Truck... unit 517
Austin 30cwt..... unit 054

1&1/2 Ton Truck - unit 517

1. Could change name to ‘Fordson WOT8 30cwt Lorry’ or ‘Fordson WOT8 4x4 30cwt’.

The WOT8 was the only British 30cwt 4x4 produced during the war. Just over 2,500 were made, but I believe about 800 were shipped to Russia.
I’ve read that the WOT8 was first produced in 1941, but I don’t know what month, so it may be best to leave the available date as it is (currently Jan 1942).

2. Upgrade size from 2 to 3
Most medium trucks are size 3, and the WOT8 is 200 x 90 inches, probably larger than the average size 3.

3. Upgrade the carry from 112 to 118.
Most 30cwt medium trucks carry 118, and the WOT8 cargo space appears larger than most medium trucks.

4. Could downgrade the speed (currently 20) as the only reference I found for the WOT8 speed was 60 Kmh.

5. Could give this unit its own icon (200 x 90 inches).
This unit icon is currently shared with German units:
453 Kfz 69
155 SdKfz 69 Protze
997 Horch Kfz 70

Fordson WOT8 30cwt sources:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gfordgb.htm
http://www.dws-xip.pl/encyklopedia/mapa-witryny.html


Austin 30cwt - unit 054

1. Could change name to ‘Austin K30 30cwt’, or ‘Austin K30 Medium Lorry’
About 14,000 K30s were manufactured.

2. Could make unavailable after Dec 1941 as those K30 lorries that weren’t lost at Dunkirk were phased out during 1941, many shipped to Russia.

3. Could give this unit its own icon. (Austin K30 216x86 inches, 43x17 pixels)
The current icon is too large at 53x18 pixels and is shared with USA units:
Unit 38 (2&1/2 Ton Truck)
Unit 230 (Ammo Truck).

Before and after icon (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches to a pixel)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/717...cwticonsx2.png


Austin K30 sources:
http://www.juniorgeneral.org/JClick.php?UID=8758
http://www.austincars.wz.cz/katalog/1940k30.htm




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Cross April 23rd, 2011 11:37 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
British Heavy Lorries (3 ton)

http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/5484/3tonlorries.png

Bedford unit 294 4x4 (carry 124)(speed 12) Gun Tractor
Bedford unit 055 4x2 (carry 133)(speed 15) General Service

Bedford - unit 294

1. Change name to ‘AEC Matador GT’ which was the main British medium Gun Tractor.
About 9,000 Matador 4x4 were produced between 1938 and 1945

2. The Matador was delivered Nov 1939 (unit 294 is currently available from Feb 1940)

3. The speed may require adjusting, as the Matador had a road speed of 58 Kmh.

4. Change icon

AEC Matador sources:
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/aecmatador.htm
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/...atador0853.htm
page 97, Chris Bishop, The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII, Metrobooks 2002


Bedford - unit 055
1. Change name to the more descriptive ‘Bedford QLT’ or ‘Bedford QLT 3 ton’
The Bedford QLT (T for trooper, but nicknamed ‘drooper’) was the well known QLD workhorse (52,250 made) but with an extended tail, and was the only Bedford that could carry 30 men. Manufactured: 3,373 QLTs

2. Change from 4x2 to 4x4.
The QLT was FWD with a speed of 61 Kmh.

3. Change icon, or create new icon.

Bedford QLT sources:
http://www.dws-xip.pl/encyklopedia/mapa-witryny.html
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/bdqlt.htm

Bedford OYD

If you wanted to add a 2WD 3 ton truck, the Bedford OYD may be a good choice:

Bedford OYD (General service with regular cargo body)
Carry: 24
Drive: 4x2
Speed 73 Kmh,
Made: 72,385

Bedford OYD sources:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedki...d-gs-3-ton.asp
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/bdoy.htm

Before and after Icons (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches to a pixel)
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5...ords3tonx2.png



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Cross April 23rd, 2011 11:47 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
British Ammo Lorry and Barge Carrier


Ammo Lorry unit 230

1. Could give this unit its own icon, changing the icon to a more realistic size and type.

The Ammo lorry is size 3 but the icon looks more like a size 5 American ‘big rig’ truck.
Could change the icon to a Bedford OXD which would be size 3 (195x86 inches), 4x2 drivetrain and even the OXD speed is about right at 72 Kmh. So the only thing you’d change is the icon.

Bedford OXD source
http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/21805 (Source: Encyclopedia of historical military vehicles - Ivo Prague)


Barge carrier unit 248

1. Could change the icon to a large British lorry, like the Leyland Hippo. (Size: 327x97 inches)
The Hippo was first made in 1934 but a Mk.II military oriented version came out in 1943.

2. Could change the speed, as the Hippo had a speed of 65 Kmh

3. Could change the drive, as the Hippo was 6x4

Leyland Hippo source:
http://www.dws-xip.pl/encyklopedia/mapa-witryny.html

Ammo Lorry and Barge carrier icons (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches to a pixel)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2921/ammolorryx2.png


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Cross April 23rd, 2011 12:11 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
1 Attachment(s)
British BMP Icons

I’ll attach the British icons I’ve done to this post.
Anyone can use or edit these if they wish.

There’s a couple of icons that are not mentioned in this thread. I’ve slightly modded the Jeep and the Austin 7 /Humber Snipe icon.


Humber Snipe
Jeep
Humber Box Heavy Utility
Austin 10 Light Utility
Morris C8 Quad FAT
Bedford MWD 15cwt
Bedford MWD 15 cwt Ammo Truck
Morris CS8 15cwt
Guy Quad-Ant 15cwt
Fordson WOT8 30cwt
Austin K30 30cwt
AEC Matador GT
Bedford QLT 3 ton
Bedford QLD 3 ton
Bedford OYD 3 ton
Bedford OXD 30cwt Ammo Lorry
Leyland Hippo 10 ton
Leyland Hippo 10 ton Flatbed

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6...itishicons.png



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Cross April 23rd, 2011 05:31 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Soviet Utility Vehicles

Jeep - unit 46

The Jeep available date could be moved forward from Jul 43 to early 42, as I found a couple of sources that say they started to receive it in fall/late 1941 and early 42.
The Amphib Jeep (unit 107) is currently available to the Soviets on Jan 43, earlier than the normal Jeep.

Soviet Jeep sources:
Late 41:
http://www.o5m6.de/bantam.html
Early 42:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/w/lendleas.jpg
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/willysmb.htm

Additional Utility Vehicles

The Soviets don’t seem to have a light utility vehicle until the Jeeps become available in 1943.

Two possible additions:

GAZ M1 ‘Emka’ Staff Car
Available: 1935
Produced: 62,888
Drive: 4x2
Size: 182 x 70 inches
Speed: 100 Kmh

This car was almost the only commander car during most difficult first year of the war. Later it was substituted by Willys MA and MB.
This car is very famous and prevailing car of war times, it is mentioned even in this period songs. People called it "Emka" for letter M in its name.


GAZ M1 sources
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gazm1.htm
http://www.o5m6.de/gaz_m1.html

Could use the Austin 7 staff car icon for the M1
Top down picture of M1
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7837/gazm1l.jpg


GAZ 67 Utility
Available: Sep 1943
Produced: 4,851 (during WW2)
Drive: 4x4
Size: 132 x 66 inches
Speed: 90 Kmh

The GAZ 67 was the Soviet Jeep. Of course they had the US Jeep by this time, in fact it was largely a copy of the Jeep, but it would give this OOB more of a Soviet flavour.

GAZ 67 sources
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gaz67.htm
Top down picture:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/...AZ/GAZ-67B.htm

Photo of GAZ67
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9951/gaz67small.jpg




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Cross April 25th, 2011 09:52 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Soviet Light Trucks 3/4 ton (15 cwt)

The only light truck in the Soviet OOB is an AOP vehicle:

AOP Light Truck – unit 134
Crew: 4
Carry: 106
Speed: 12
Size: 3
Avail: 1930

1. Perhaps it should be size 2?

Additional Light Trucks

If you wanted to give the Soviet OOB a light truck, there's the GAZ-4 and GAZ-M415 pickup trucks (3/4 ton). The earlier GAZ-4 is smaller, a bit more utility than light truck, and may not carry as many men.
The GAZ-M415 may be the better choice.

GAZ-4 Pickup Truck 3/4 ton
Available: 1933
Speed: 90 Kmh
Drive: 4x2
Produced: 10,648
Size: 161 x 67 inches (size 2)

GAZ-4 source:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gaz4.htm

GAZ-M415 Pickup Truck 3/4 ton
Available: 1939
Speed: 90 Kmh
Drive: 4x2
Produced: 8,000+
Size: 180 x 70 inches (size 2)

The GAZ-M415 was the pickup truck version of the ‘Emka’ Staff car.

Image of GAZ-M415
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8206/gazm415.jpg

GAZ-M415 sources:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gaz415.htm
http://www.bonanza.com/booths/McSim/...up_USSR_Ford_B

It may also make sense to adjust the AOP Light Truck (unit 134) to the same icon, speed, and size as the GAZ pickup truck.

Before and after Icon (my soft vehcile icons are 1 pixel per 5 inches)
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9...ghttruckx2.png

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Cross April 25th, 2011 10:28 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Soviet Medium GAZ Trucks

Pic of three GAZ
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/757/gazmedtrucks.jpg

The truck body was the same for each of the three main versions, but the drivetrain was different:

GAZ-AA…... drive: 4x2
GAZ-AAA… drive: 6x4
GAZ-60……. drive: halftrack

The most common GAZ medium trucks were called GAZ-AA and GAZ-AAA, but the name has nothing to do with ‘anti-aircraft’ so would cause confusion.

Apart from unit class, unit 44 and 465 are identical in the game.

GAZ Truck...unit 44...Med Truck......carry 118...size 3...4x2
GAZ Truck...unit 465...Med Truck......carry 118...size 3...4x2
GAZ 60......unit 829...Med Half-track...carry 118...size 3...H-track

1. Could convert unit 465 into a 4WD (6x4) version (37,000 built) but the 6x4 wasn’t available until 1935, and both trucks are currently available from 1930 in the game; but this is probably not important. The Halftrack is available in 1939 which is correct.

2. Could rename them to:

GAZ Medium Truck…..…unit 44
GAZ Medium Truck 6x4…unit 465
GAZ-60 Med Halftrack..…unit 829

3. Unit 465 may be wrong unit class 23 (APC wheel)
4. Could create new icon/icons (all are 210x80 inches, but the tracks of GAZ-60 may make it a bit wider)

GAZ Medium Truck sources:
http://www.o5m6.de/gaz_aa.html
http://www.o5m6.de/gaz_aaa_1937.html
http://www.o5m6.de/gaz_60.html
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gazaa.htm
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gazaaa.htm
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gaz60.htm

GAZ Top down picture
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8655/gaz.gif

GAZ Icons (My icons are 1 pixel per 5 inches)
Could use open truck for 4x2
and covered truck for 6x4
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3...diumtrucks.png



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iCaMpWiThAWP April 25th, 2011 01:23 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
I'm wondering if is there an easy way to put your icons into the game?

Cross April 25th, 2011 01:46 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 776232)
I'm wondering if is there an easy way to put your icons into the game?

Perhaps...

You could ask someone to post their shp files after they've been edited, that would be an easy way to add icons to the game. I may post some edited shp files, but not yet.

One of the problems is that soft vehicles from different nations sometimes share the same generic truck icon. So if you replace a generic icon with a nation specific icon, all the nations that used the original generic icon will now have the custom icon.



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Cross April 25th, 2011 02:11 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Soviet ZiS Heavy Trucks

Picture of ZiS trucks
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4743/zistrucks.jpg

Current:
ZiS Truck....unit 45....carry 32...size 4...4x2.........spd 15
ZiS Truck ...unit 466...carry 24...size 4...4x2.........spd 12
ZiS 42.........unit 301...carry 18...size 3...Halftrack...spd 18

The three ZiS vehicles have an identical body, only the drivetrain and speed should be different (like the GAZ trucks but the ZiS are larger).

Top down picture of GAZ and ZiS trucks
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/4549/gazandzis.gif

Recommended changes highlighted:
ZiS-5 Heavy Truck......unit 45....carry 24...size 4...4x2........spd 60Kmh
ZiS-6 Heavy Truck......unit 466...carry 24...size 4...6x4........spd 55Kmh
ZiS 42 Hvy Halftrack...unit 301...carry 24...size 4...H-track... spd 45Kmh

ZiS Truck Unit 45
1. Could change name to ZiS-5 Heavy Truck (over 1,000,000 produced)
2. Could change carry from 32 to 24 (unless this causes OOB problems)
3. May want to tweak speed (ZiS-5 speed: 60Kmh)
4. Could create new icon (same icon as unit 466)
ZiS-5 size: 239 x 88 inches

ZiS-5 sources:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/zis5s.htm

ZiS Truck Unit 466
1. Could change name to ZiS-6 Heavy Truck (21,239 produced)
2. Could change from 2WD to 4WD
3. Adjust speed (ZiS-6 speed: 55Kmh)
4. Could create new icon (same icon as unit 45)
ZiS-6 size: 239 x 88 inches

ZiS-6 sources:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/zis6.htm
http://www.o5m6.de/zis_6.html

ZiS 42 Unit 301
1. Could change name to ZiS-42 Heavy Halftrack or ZiS-42 Halftrack (5,931 produced)
2. Could change carry from 18 to 24
3. Could change size from 3 to 4 (ZiS-42: 240 x 93 inches)
4. Could change speed (ZiS-42 speed: 45Kmh)
5. Could create new icon (same as icon as unit 45, 466 but with tracks)
ZiS-42 size: 240 x 93 inches

ZiS-42 sources:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/zis42.htm

Additional Heavy Truck

The YaG-6 Heavy Truck may make a useful addition to the Soviet OOB because it would give the Soviets a truck that could carry about 32 men.
To avoid ‘carry 32’ OOB problems with unit 45, perhaps it’s possible to change unit 45 to a YaG-6, then create a new ZiS-5 with carry 24?

YaG-6 Heavy truck 5 ton
Made: 8,075
Available: 1932
Drive: 4x2
Size: 256 x 98 inches (size 5)
Speed: 40Kmh


YaG-6 Refs
http://www.o5m6.de/YaG-6.html
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/yag6.htm

Top down YaG-6
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/4213/yag610602.jpg

Heavy truck icons
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3...shvytrucks.png


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Cross April 25th, 2011 11:03 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Soviet Ammo Trucks and Barge Carrier


Soviet Ammo Trucks

Ammo Truck...unit 230...Light Ammo Truck..size 2...4x2...Avail until 12/41
Ammo Truck...unit 332...Med Ammo Truck...size 3...4x2...Avail from 1/42

The Soviets have two ammo trucks available. A size 2 available until Dec 1941, and a size 3 available from Jan 1942. Both ammo trucks are 2WD.

One possibility is to make both available for the whole war.

The size 2 could be a GAZ-M415 light truck, small and quite fast (about speed 22).
The size 3 could be a GAZ Medium Truck 6x4, a bit slower (speed 18) but 4WD.

Ammo Truck unit 230
Currently:
Available until 12/41
Size: 2
Speed: 15
Drive: 4x2
Crew 2

Possible changes:
1. Could make available until the end of the war, or 1946
2. Could give this unit a light truck icon.
Current icon looks like a size 4 truck.
Could use a GAZ-M415 light truck icon.
3. Could give this truck the GAZ-M415 speed of 90 Kmh


Ammo Truck unit 332
Currently:
Available from 1/42
Size: 3
Speed: 18
Drive: 4x2
Crew: 2

Possible changes:
1. Could make available from 1935
2. Could give this unit a medium truck icon.
Current icon looks like a size 5 truck.
Could use a GAZ Medium Truck icon.
The speed of this unit is already correct for a GAZ medium truck.
3. Could make this truck 4WD

This would give the Soviets a choice of ammo carrier: Small and quite fast; or medium size, a bit slower, but 4WD.

Barge Carrier unit 248
Currently:
Avail: 1/30
Size: 6
Speed: 10
Drive: 4x2
Crew: 6

Could make this Barge carrier a YaG-10, 8 ton, 6x4 truck.
The Yag-10 is a bit longer and narrower than the YaG-6.

The 8-ton YaG-10, built at the Yaroslavl state motor vehicle plant (»YaG« or »YaGAZ«) from 1931 on, was for long the heaviest truck of the Soviet Union.

YaG-10, 8 ton, 6x4
Available: 1931
Made: 333
Speed: 40kmh
Drive: 6x4
Size: 275 x 92 inches (about size 5)

Possible changes:

1. Adjust the speed to 40 Kmh
2. Change drive to 6x4
3. Change icon to the Yag-10
4. Change size to 5
5. Could change name to YaG-10 Barge Carrier

Yag-10 sources:
http://www.oldrussiancars.com/archives/1381
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaw...ucks_buses.htm
http://www.o5m6.de/YaG-10.html

Icons (my soft vehicle icons are 5 inches per pixel)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8...cksandbarg.png


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iCaMpWiThAWP April 26th, 2011 10:09 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Aren't there Free Icon slots in the game? Where you can add your own icons and that sort of stuff?

Cross April 26th, 2011 11:04 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 776284)
Aren't there Free Icon slots in the game? Where you can add your own icons and that sort of stuff?

Yes, it is possible to give every unit their own icon, but that would require editing the OOB.

The main concern with editing an OOB is that PBEM opponents would get a security flag.

If you only change the icons in the SHP files, there's no security issues.

Hope I understood your question correctly?

Cross

Cross April 26th, 2011 11:24 AM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
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Soviet BMP Icons

I'll attach the Soviet Icons that I've made to this post.

I added an 'Emka' Staff Car to ones mentioned above.

GAZ Light Ammo Truck
GAZ M1 Emka Staff Car
GAZ Medium Ammo Truck
GAZ Medium Halftrack
GAZ Medium Truck 4x2
GAZ Medium Truck 6x4
GAZ-M415 Light Truck
YaG-6 Heavy Truck
YaG-10 8ton 6x4 Barge Carrier
ZiS-5 Heavy Truck 4x2
ZiS-6 Heavy Truck 6x4
ZiS-42 Heavy Halftrack

(My soft vehicles are 5 inches a pixel)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4...etbmpicons.png


Cross

iCaMpWiThAWP April 26th, 2011 02:45 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
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Originally Posted by Cross (Post 776288)
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Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 776284)
Aren't there Free Icon slots in the game? Where you can add your own icons and that sort of stuff?

Yes, it is possible to give every unit their own icon, but that would require editing the OOB.

The main concern with editing an OOB is that PBEM opponents would get a security flag.

If you only change the icons in the SHP files, there's no security issues.

Hope I understood your question correctly?

Cross

Yeah, that was it, i guess i'm going to take some time to make a copy of the game so i can mess around with the OOBs. Btw-What about having the icons skipped in the OOB check routines for secure PBEM? Unless anyone could cheat by changing what they see.

Cross April 26th, 2011 03:59 PM

Re: Soft Vehicles: Utility, Light, Medium and Heavy Trucks
 
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Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 776303)
Yeah, that was it, i guess i'm going to take some time to make a copy of the game so i can mess around with the OOBs.

Btw-What about having the icons skipped in the OOB check routines for secure PBEM? Unless anyone could cheat by changing what they see.

That's a question for the game developers, but I would think any changes to OOB security would be highly unlikely.

I can think of a few ways you could incorporate icons of your choice without security issues:

1. You could just change the generic icons to your personal favourite icons, but you may want them to be somewhat generic.

2. You could change the generic icons to nation specific icons, say German-USA. Which would work best if you mostly play only those nations.

3. Another option is to create a couple of edited SHP files, that are nation specific. So you could create say German-Soviet, German-USA, and German-British SHP files.

Then when you PBEM, or against the AI, just load the SHP files for the nations you are using. This way the trucks will mostly be the correct type.

There are vehicles from the same nation that currently share an icon. And there is at least one icon that's used by German and Allied vehicles. You could always consider it captured. ;)


Cross


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