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WraithLord August 25th, 2011 11:54 AM

YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Executor's Ulm winner on turn 76
 
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Welcome to YARG3. The toughest and meanest arena :tough:, where the vets beat each other senseless :hammer:.
This is a RAND type game. As in Random Anonymous No Diplomacy game.
Diplomacy or any form of communication is not allowed.

The game is not strictly targeted for vets but it is certainly not for green newBs.
More important though is your mettle. We want tough sons of *****es who won't go AI or stale on the first sign of trouble .
So try the following quiz:
A. I just lost a major battle. That sucks. Should I turn AI or start staling?
B. I just got gang banged by X nations. That sucks. Should I turn AI or start staling?
C. I just got attacked by stupid player XYZ, doesn't he see that it's an awful stupid move. That sucks. Should I turn AI or start staling?

If you've answered yes to at least one of them, then please join another game. YARG is not for the feint of heart. Here wars or fought the very bitter end.

Let's recap YARG history. Two games took place: YARG1 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...t=43461&page=9) and YARG2 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...=45188&page=10).

:party::
YARG HoF
A titan towering above mere mortals. Shrewd and fierce. He has viciously crushed all opposition and put the world under his iron boot. All hail the glorious victor. I give you the YARG winners:
YARG1: Isokron :first:
YARG2: Dimaz and Psycho :first:

These guys have made to the end. They've endured constant wars and heavy beatings. They were rushed, attacked, gang banged and took pretty much any form of abuse known in dominions universe but they did not succumb. They resisted defeat and extinction to the very end. They are the last shred of hope to their nations and should the iron grip of the winner ever loosen they will rise again to put up the fight. I give you YARG iron man:
YARG1: WingedDog, Raiel, Executor , TwoBits, Dimaz, WraithLord :fire:
YARG2: Don Pablo, Slobby, WingedDog, WraithLord :fire:

This individual is wise and generous. His selflessness allows us to enjoy the game. He is there to make sure the game runs smoothly. We all owe a big thank you to our beloved admin.
YARG1: rdonj :angel
YARG2: rdonj :angel
:party::

YARG3 description:
This is a RAND game. So no diplomacy whatsoever. No posting here your identity, your nation or giving clues as to what your ID is. Nations are assigned randomly, or rather, since so many nations are available, assigned according to picks and luck.

I will maintain the game thread. I will create and end the game. However the game will need one or two volunteers for two things. First, to assign nations and second, to admin the game. W/O such volunteers there will be no game :(
Please note that during the game I'll be stepping back and will be just another player. Don't PM me re. admin. stuff.

Some of the settings are open for discussion, the rest are fixed and will be marked by bold font.
Map: Orania
Hosting Pace: First 15 turns every 24h, turns 15-30 48h, turn 30-45 72h, turn 45-60 96h, turn > 61 120h.
Considerate extension giving policy. Hosting is planned for busy ppl.
Mods: Y3_CB1.9 (CBM1.9 copy for this game, attached). ENP2.
Renaming: off
Research: difficult
Graphs: on
HoF: 15
Indies: 9
Disallowed exploits: copying Bogus' orders and overfilling enemy lab to prevent his own forge.
Killing own mages under Ankh or LaD to gain freebe mages and troops. It's ok in a battle but it's not ok to set it up on purpose (whoever likes to do it knows what I'm talking about). I'm no longer certain whether or not CBM1.9 has fixed this. If it didn't please don't abuse it.
Probing armies with scouts/commanders must be done in such a way so as not to block movement.
Era: MA
Nations: Land only. ENP2 MA+Vanilla MA. Assignment is totally random.
Victory condition: ~50% VPs == 9 VPs. Each capital has 1 VP visible on game map.
Pretenders should be given nations name!

Admin:
rdonj

Nation assigner:
Dimaz


FYI RE. Map (Thank you SL):
prov site
2 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Tempest_Spire
3 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Forest_of_Golden_Leaves
5 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frozen_Lands
10 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Blizzard_Valley
33 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Acade..._Crescent_Moon
38 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Moon_Mages_Circle
39 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Dragon_Jaws
60 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Standing_Stones
104 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Silver_Forest
125 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Well_of_All_Waters
139 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/The_World_Pillar
151 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Chillsick_Swamp
173 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Oak_of_Ages
208 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Volcano
209 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Skull_Temple
277 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Mount_Frost
279 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Red_Forest
The 'Oak of Ages' would be replaced with 'The Motheroak'
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/The_Motheroak
and 'Mount Frost' would be replaced with 'Frost Vale'
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frost_Vale

Players:
1. WraithLord
2. Stagger Lee, Ruler of Arco. Defeated on turn 32.
3. TwoBits
4. Executor, Winner - on turn 76.
5. wonderloss, Ruler of Bandar. Defeated on turn 40.
6. ghoul31, Ruler of Abysia. Defeated on turn 27.
7. Slobby
8. don_Pablo
9. danbo, Ruler of Ashdid. Defeated on turn 54.
10. tratorix, Ruler of TC. Defeated on turn 40.
11. sansanjuan, Ruler of Arga Dis. Defeated on turn 48.
12. GFSnl, Ruler of Marignon. Defeated on turn 50.
13. mockingbird
14. Deadnature, Ruler of Pythium. Staling since turn 27.
15. Curious Yellow
16. Aethyr, subbed by Squirrelloid, Ruler of Man. Defeated on turn 24.
17. yandav, Ruler of Shangri-La. Defeated on turn 46.
18. Bullock, Ruler of Al-Nadim. Defeated on turn 29.


GL All and have a fun game :)

Stagger Lee August 25th, 2011 12:41 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I would like to redeem myself for my miserable performance as Niefelheim in YARG2. :o

My vote will be for completely random nations chosen after sign ups are closed. You probably know this, but enp2 is not all MA nations. Haida Gwaii is EA, and there are some LA nations as well. I've never tried that pack, only looked at some of those nations individually. I'll do a little testing when I get the chance.

WraithLord August 25th, 2011 02:05 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
cool. glad to have you on board.

re. ENP2. yeap, I'm aware of this. only the MA nations of the pack are available.

I'm not sure if completely random nations would work. Since for that you'll need what?- 27 or so players?

Perhaps three picks per player would work better.

TwoBits August 25th, 2011 02:15 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
Aw, what the hell, count me in. I still feel like whining like a little girl for getting stuck with Kailasa in YARG2 (despite folks telling me I should have kicked *** with them :confused:).

But instead of griping about "let's have this nation in it, but not this one", I'll role the dice and take what the soon-to-retire Pantakrator gives me (come on Shinuyama/Niefelheim/Patala/any-giant-bible-god-insert-here/etc.!) ;)

Format, shmormat. I don't care. I'll kill you all any which way but loose! (but really, indies-9 again? ugh... ;) )

Executor August 25th, 2011 02:33 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
Why only 10 players?
Sign me up for now WL, tho if it doesn't turn up to be a slightly larger game I might drop it. Not sure I want to commit if it doesn't turn up to be a large competitive game.

Regarding ENP, there should an all MA nations mod uploaded by me on Llamaserver, we used it for the game Testing Ground.

WraithLord August 25th, 2011 02:58 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
TwoBits, I'm happy you've joined though I sure hope we don't end up as neighbors.

Executor, some players feel strongly for 8-10 games. Other like bigger games. I think yet other players don't care so much.
I personally prefer a big game, like 20-24 players. Let's wait to see how many players sign in.
I will be most delighted if you'll end up playing so I'm crossing fingers for enough players to sign up.

RE. ENP. Can you elaborate on that mod?- Does it allow all ENP2 in MA?- How is it named?

Indies 9 and hard research are fun. They screw up lot's of strats :)

Executor August 25th, 2011 03:13 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
That's the link for the DM file we used.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...3&d=1301604832

It's just a simple job of changing the eras of those non MA nations from #era 1 and #era 3 to #era 2.

Hopefully it will be a big game, I suggest posting this thread on the other forum as well.

WraithLord August 25th, 2011 03:45 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I got the impression that players from the other forum mostly like small games. Perhaps b/c I saw a number of such comments there.
Perhaps it's worthwhile to post there anyway. I'll do so tomorrow probably.

WraithLord August 25th, 2011 03:59 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
Oh and that ENP is 1.01. IIRC llama has made a more updated version.
Besides, 5/9 of ENP2 nations are MA. Should be enough to choose from, wouldn't you agree?

wonderloss August 25th, 2011 04:15 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I would like to throw my hat in the ring.

WraithLord August 25th, 2011 04:35 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
The ring welcomes you wonderloss :)

FYI, these are the ENP2 MA nations, you may choose from them or each of Vanilla MA nations.
"
Shangri-La, Hidden City of the Secret Masters originally by Nounours, extended and maintained by Globu
Al-Nadim, The Thousand and One Nights by elmokki
Svarogia, Dark Forests by Executor
Arga Dis, Blood of Warriors by Sombre
Pythium, The Second Empire by Burnsaber
"

ghoul31 August 25th, 2011 05:50 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I'll join

Slobby August 25th, 2011 06:43 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
sign me up

tratorix August 26th, 2011 01:43 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I'll play.

danbo August 26th, 2011 02:31 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
I loved YARG2 though was wiped out rather early. I'm in.

sansanjuan August 26th, 2011 04:12 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment phase.
 
Damn you...
I'm in
ssj

WraithLord August 26th, 2011 05:49 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 11 players signed up.
 
OP updated.

Hooray. Hooray. Hooray. rdonj has agreed to admin for YARG3 as well. I could hope for no better admin :)

I hope to find a volunteer to help with the nation assignment...

GFSnl August 26th, 2011 06:27 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 11 players signed up.
 
I'd like to join too.

WraithLord August 26th, 2011 06:27 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 11 players signed up.
 
Dimaz has graciously agreed to do the nation assignment so we have almost all the parts in place.

We need to finalize the list of players. For that I'll wait a few more days.

Then we need to decide on a map.

EDIT: GFSnl, your reputation precedes you. I'm glad to have a chance to play with you.

mockingbird August 26th, 2011 06:37 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 11 players signed up.
 
I would like to join, please.

WraithLord August 27th, 2011 03:10 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
Welcome aboard :)

OP updated.

yugi24862 August 27th, 2011 06:29 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
It it too late to join? Also, are nations random or do we list preferences? I couldn't see anything in the OP about it.

Aethyr August 27th, 2011 06:30 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
D*** I told myself I would not join another game this summer. Sign me up. :D

WraithLord August 27th, 2011 08:24 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
yugi24862, can you please tell me a bit about your MP experience?- I need to ask since too big a difference in experience can unbalance the game.

Every player will list three nations he wants to play. I assume Dimaz would give the players their top choice when possible and role a dice to decide conflicts otherwise.

Aethyr, sorry to ruin your plan not to join another game this summer but I'm sure glad you'd be joining this one :)

Deadnature August 27th, 2011 09:22 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
a RAND game is just what I'm looking for, please sign me up.

Curious Yellow August 27th, 2011 09:35 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
I would like to join. Tried to join YARG2, but at that time I did not have sufficient experience. Now I've played a few MP games, won a couple, don't think I'll be total pushover at least.

TwoBits August 27th, 2011 09:42 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLord (Post 782513)
Every player will list three nations he wants to play.

Wait, we're not doing totally random race selection like the previous YARGs?

Stagger Lee August 27th, 2011 10:45 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLord (Post 782424)
cool. glad to have you on board.

re. ENP2. yeap, I'm aware of this. only the MA nations of the pack are available.

I'm not sure if completely random nations would work. Since for that you'll need what?- 27 or so players?

Perhaps three picks per player would work better.



I didn't mean that we would need 28 (I think) players, just that 28 nations go into the hat, Dimaz uses whatever system he wants to give each player a nation, and none of us knows what anyone else has, or which ones are still in the hat until the game starts.

If we are listing preferences, we should be doing that by PM to Dimaz since publicly stating a preference will give clues to who is playing what. And I would vote not to complicate things for someone who is doing us a favor.

Thank you in advance, Dimaz. :)

WraithLord August 27th, 2011 11:32 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 13 players signed up.
 
TwoBits and Stagger Lee. We could do it totally random as Stagger Lee suggests.

I also agree with Stagger Lee's suggestion to PM Dimaz with the preference re. nation assignment by picks or completely random.

EDIT: OP updated.
You know, I came up with the nation picks idea thinking that we may end up with a small number of players. Seeing as we're already up to 15 I think it makes sense to just use the same mechanism that has served previous YARG - totally random assignment.
Does it make sense to you?
I do hope we're not giving Dimaz too much of a headache :)

Curious Yellow August 27th, 2011 11:48 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
I'm cool with random nations.

tratorix August 27th, 2011 11:57 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
I vote totally random.

Deadnature August 27th, 2011 01:42 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
I too favor totally random, if only to spare me the difficulty of choosing my top three nations :)

yandav August 27th, 2011 06:03 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
May I join?
(And if I can play, I'd prefer random nations.)

sansanjuan August 27th, 2011 09:56 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
random is fine by me.
-ssj

Aethyr August 27th, 2011 11:34 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
I'm OK with ramdom, or whatever. WL, please add me to the OP. :)

WraithLord August 28th, 2011 02:03 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 15 players signed up.
 
Oops. Thanks for reminding me.

yandav, sure thing. Welcome aboard :)

Seems like random nations it is.
We're now at 17 players. This should be enough to start a game. However, I will wait a few more days before closing the game. I think 24 (as in YARG) would be our top limit.

Finalgenesis August 28th, 2011 03:51 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Damn... If I didn't have another long MP endgame hanging on my back I'd jump on this one grrr

WraithLord August 28th, 2011 05:23 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Finalgenesis, YARG games are usually not stressful. The pacing is moderate and considerate.

I think you can safely join this one :)

WraithLord August 28th, 2011 12:21 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
ok. Map choices:
- Glory of the gods (multilayer version). Used for YARG2 and YARG1.
- AsiaTwist
- Alexander
- Westeros

Please vote or argue your favorite or bring other choices if you like.

Also, we can do this land nations only game. How do you feel about it?

As for nations pool, Dimaz you can use this list:
Abysia, Blood and Fire
Agartha, Golem Cult
Arcoscephale, The Old Kingdom
Ashdod, Reign of the Anakim
Atlantis, Kings of the Deep
Bandar Log, Land of the Apes
Caelum, Reign of the Seraphim
C'tis, Miasma
Eriu, Last of the Tuatha
Ermor, Broken Empire
Jotunheim, Iron Woods
Machaka, Reign of Sorcerors
Man, Tower of Avalon
Marignon, Fiery Justice
Mictlan, Reign of the Lawgiver
Oceania, Coming of the Capricorns
Pangaea, Age of Bronze
Pythium, Emerald Empire
R'lyeh, Fallen Star
Shinuyama, Land of the Bakemono
T'ien Ch'i, Imperial Bureaucracy
Ulm, Forges of Ulm
Vanheim, Arrival of Man
Shangri-La, Hidden City of the Secret Masters originally by Nounours, extended and maintained by Globu
Al-Nadim, The Thousand and One Nights by elmokki
Svarogia, Dark Forests by Executor
Arga Dis, Blood of Warriors by Sombre
Pythium, The Second Empire by Burnsaber

So either 28 nations or 25 land nations.

WraithLord August 29th, 2011 03:07 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Since we're basically good to go I see no point in waiting too much for further enrollment. So I'll be closing the player's list tomorrow. This will make possible a better choice of suitable map.

Executor August 29th, 2011 07:38 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Personally, I'm in favor of a non water game, have a fear of depths you know.

Now, gimme my nation fool!:)

Stagger Lee August 29th, 2011 09:36 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLord (Post 782571)
ok. Map choices:
- Glory of the gods (multilayer version). Used for YARG2 and YARG1.
- AsiaTwist
- Alexander
- Westeros

Please vote or argue your favorite or bring other choices if you like.

Westeros looks pretty cool. I will test it some, and it will probably get my vote. Orania and Riverlands are the right size and they wrap. I played YARG2 on Alexander - maybe that's what I did wrong. ;)

It will be very difficult to balance a map with a random # of water nations, so I say no to them also.

GFSnl August 29th, 2011 10:21 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
I like wrapped maps as they are much fairer.
Otherwise people at the corners and edges have a large advantage.

Orania is nice.

Executor August 29th, 2011 10:34 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GFSnl (Post 782620)
I like wrapped maps as they are much fairer.
Otherwise people at the corners and edges have a large advantage.

Orania is nice.

True, I'm also in favor of a wrap around map, but if we use Orania than the special sites in certain provinces need to be removed. Having known discount sites in a anonymous game is a very bad idea.

Bullock August 29th, 2011 10:36 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
i m not yet a vet but i did pretty well in my first games. (i even managed to win one ;)) thanks to a lot of sp practicing.

So if you think i have the required level i d be glad to join.
Concerning the votes,if i m in, i m fully for the random nations, i don t mind about water nations and i d vote for the Westeros map which looks pretty nice.

mockingbird August 29th, 2011 02:47 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
I would also be in favor of leaving out the water nations.

WraithLord August 29th, 2011 03:07 PM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 
ok. looks like we're going land nations only, total random assignment.
Bullock, I'm signing you up.

I agree re. wraparound maps. Westeros got some votes. However I didn't test it and have no idea how balanced it may be or whether or not it's wraparound.

Orania is very nice but I'm worried about the spec. sites that Executor has mentioned. But wait a sec. didn't CBM 1.84 remove the big discount sites (>= 30%)?

WraithLord August 30th, 2011 04:32 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 18 players signed up.
 
Guys, unless I hear any objections I think we should go with Orania. It's a good looking map, wraparound and got a lot of mileage.

I also suggest 9VPs victory condition.

If all proceeds as planned tomorrow I'll send the players list to Dimaz and ask him to assign the nations.
In parallel I will create the game on the llamaserver and notify rdonj that we'll soon be ready to start.

WraithLord August 31st, 2011 07:44 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 
OP updated. Game is closed.
We're waiting for Dimaz to assign nations.

WraithLord August 31st, 2011 07:59 AM

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 
Game is ready on the server: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=YARG3


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