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THis game is utter complete crap. Just trust me on this. I have been playing it for a month now, and I just unistalled that POS from my computer. The list of things wrong with it is a mile and half long. I am sick and tired of crap from Sid M. and will NEVER buy his trash again.

To hell with Civilization 3. Oh ya, I just trashed the disk, and am going to send it to them in peaces. (Seldom does a game frustrate me to this point, but this one pushed evey button I had.)

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Note to self:
do not buy Civ 3
Spend money on Myth 3 instead.

[ 19 December 2001: Message edited by: Dracus ]</p>

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Here in Spain Civ 3 is just arriving. Now shops will sell the English Version, and will sell the Spanish Version in March. It's the first time i can remember that a game is sold in 2 Versions. The expectation is enormous, all magazines with Civ 3 and Sid Meier at the cover. But, what are the changes? The gameplay is the same that the 1st Civ.

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Well, too late
I have to agree, Civ3 has some frustrating parts, but overall I enjoyed it. Ive been trying to edit the game to make it better (in my eyes that is)
The big thing that pissed me off is how cruise missiles were ground units. (*HUH??)

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I just looked at civ III web site and there is a patch for it, have you all dpwnloaded this patch?

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does the patch fix its 'more-of-the-same'ness? the gameing industry has a stick if you have a dead horse.

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There's a patch already, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif How many patches were there for the original Civ? Five or more, I think? How many patches were there for Master of Orion I and II, and Master of Magic? At least three each -- I think it was more. For that matter, how many patches have there been for SE IV now? Seven? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif This is the 'software business' today. You don't FINISH anything. That's too expensive. You get it to the point where it's good enough not to be embarrassing at first use -- that is, you have 'plausible deniability' that you didn't know it wasn't really finished. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Then you release it and hype it with lots of advertizing. Some games don't even have plausible deniability, of course. (cough)Outpost(cough) Then you gather the bug reports from your paying beta testers and start releasing patches. It works this way in business software, too. At least MS has had the grace to call its public beta phase a beta phase, and treat it that way, for new Versions of Windows since the 32-bit Versions started coming out.

I'd say wait another year and then get the 'latest' Civ III at that point. That's what I intend to do. Same for Master of Orion III, frankly. I wouldn't be dumb enough to believe the hype and buy it as soon as it's released. That's the public beta not the final game.

For that matter, SE IV Gold is finally gonna be what SE IV was supposed to be. It's the nature of the industry. Everyone is in a huge rush and thinks that anyone who takes the time to actually finish a major piece of software will end up publishing an obsolete 'white elephant'. And guess what, everyone rushing along with the same belief makes it true. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif The whole industry is a herd of sheep forcing itself over a cliff. So, to avoid frustration I have resigned myself to always using obsolete software. I'm currently running Windows 98 and will not upgrade to XP until there's a next generation released. By then it won't be too expensive to own hardware that can run it fast, either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Run the previous generation of software on the current generation of hardware and performance is not an issue. And the worst bugs will already be fixed.

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]</p>

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Preach it, Brother Munchausen! I am a physician using electronic medical records and electronic medical billing. Don't use the newest fangled software and hardware. Wait on the bugs to be worked out.

Oh, I do use beta medical records software.... but not on real patients. I have been testing and playing with the "beta" for 8 months and soon enough we will be able to go "live" with the "full" Version. It would look pretty embarrassing for a patient to come in to my office and my staff not be able to pull up a chart because "the beta ate it"!

Look at NASA. One of my buddies told me that they use old 386 processors on the shuttle for their reliability. I don't know if that is true but makes sense.

If you wan't the latest, cutting edge stuff; be prepared to put up with some headaches. Remember the turtle and the hare. Steadfast wins the race.

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not only do they use 386s, they only upgraded to them in the Last 5 years or so. i remember some obscure news article when they got the approval for it, but i dont remember exactly when it was.

hell, that was a few years ago. maybe they are on something better by now. i would not bank on it though, its more important for them to have twelve redundant systems for everything and have them run with low power requirements than it is for them to have fast processors. i mean, its not like they are computing rocket science http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

(gosh, remember when rocket science was mind-boggling? now its genetics this, molecules that. everything in modern science is so darn tiny! in the good old days people thought BIG!)

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I do agree that CIV III is a disappointment, but I still think it is a good game. Is it better than Civ II, yes. Does it have MAJOR problems, yes. Is it better out of the box than CTP I and II (both truely unfinished games), yes. Is it better then the modded CTP I, NO.

Problems:
1. Can not define historical starting positions for empires so can not play a historical Earth map or create scenarios. User mod fixes this bug.

2. Some of the features do not work. (although the patch did fix the precision bombing bug)

3. Game is VERY unstable and crashes constantly. Patch was supposed to address this problem but did not.

4. Patch:
Pros: Gives user more ability to fix problems with game.
Cons: Majority are just cosmetic fixes like spelling errors, does not fix MAJOR problems. Does fix precision bombing bug, but adds new bugs.
Assessment: If you want to try to mod the game to fix problems, install patch. If you want to play the game with no mods, do not install patch as additional bugs are not worth the precision bombing fix.

5. Pros: Firaxis has committed to fix the game with patches. As long as the company is willing to support the game with patches to fix the problems I am willing to buy the game. I refuse to buy games when the company refuses to support the game with patches. I did not buy CTP II and I will not buy IGIII as the companies refused to support CTP I and IGII but released flawed games, one or two minor patches and that was it. I will not be burned twice.

I was more disappointed with CTP I and II then with CIV3. CTP had great potential but was rushed to the market and totally unplayable out of the box. Activision also refused to support the game. Saving grace was ability to mod game. EXTENSIVE user mods over next two years turned CTP I into a very good game. CTP II was a step backwards and again Activision refused to support the game, so I say stick with CTP I modded. Luckily I did not buy CTP II.

Civ3 is playable out of the box (I think). Unfortunately once you get a good game going, it crashes. I have not been able to get past the middle ages yet. Tech suppost has been no help, as all crash problems are the OS's fault. They also state that only limited help will be available because of the holidays.

If you can wait don't buy CIV3 now, but wait for the patches.

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I bought CTP II one year ago(!) and I couldn't believe how much CIV III lags behind in every aspect. User Interface, fun, movies - you name it!
I wonder if I shall invest(aka waste) another minute an CIV III. I rather play CTP II.

CTPII gives you future technologies, buildings, terains, governments and units packaged with a lot of fun to play them.
CIVIII gives you CIV1 with new graphics, trade system and diplomacy(not that it improves anything) with the same old (10 years?) interface! You want to know your 5 best cities for production? Scroll the list and find them yourself! You want to insert an item into the production queue of those 5 in one easy step? Forget it!
Have you ever played SE-IV? Imagine all(yes all) those listings of planets, ships, fleets ... but you can't sort them. Production queues without pictures just to make sure you paid attention. Hell dunno why I didn't uninstall CIVIII right away!

Safe money and buy SEIV GOLD!

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I dunno - it is Christmas, the season of good will, joy to all men etc

Even CivIII designers need love and hugs at this time of year just like everyone else.

Be kind, the easiest way to show your preferences is simply not to buy CivIII but pick up SE Gold (or tupperware as I want to call it)

Me? I have an expensive wife to maintain so can't afford her, SE gold and Civ III so one has to go (Civ III)

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>
(gosh, remember when rocket science was mind-boggling? now its genetics this, molecules that. everything in modern science is so darn tiny! in the good old days people thought BIG!)
<hr></blockquote>

A quote from "The Young Ones"
Peasant 1: "What's new?"
Peasant 2: "Microchip technology."

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dogscoff:


A quote from "The Young Ones"
Peasant 1: "What's new?"
Peasant 2: "Microchip technology."<hr></blockquote>

Dogscoff mate, you are showing your age if you can remember that

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Dracus: I just finished reading my latest PC Gamer Last night...Myth 3 got something like 50%. Purchase at your own risk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Personally, I'm picking up SEIVG and perhaps an FPS like Max Payne or Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Although I suppose I'd better finish Ghost Recon first. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Simply need something team-like to quench my TFC needs. heh heh

Also, I hear Illwinter's Dominions is also a good turn-based fantasy strategy game. It's produced by three guys, I believe, and their patch list reads frighteningly similar to our own SEIV. Not the best in graphics, but great in scope and execution. Maybe the SEIV for fantasy folks? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

zen

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Was going to buy Civ III but after hearing you guys I think I'll wait. Also, I read in other Forums that a lot of gamers feel EU-2 Is way better then CIV 3, Don't know, getting EU-2 for xmas and wife won't let me touch it until then..

tks for info on Civ III, saved me some money, I'll wait for patches to catch up first. (maybe)

just some ideas mac

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CTP ? EU ? Ok, tell me about 'em.....

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Delaying Purchase:
I have to agree with the others that wait to purchase a new product. I personaly try to stay a generation behind in Hardware, Software, and Operating Systems.
Professionaly I help people use computers, (Glorigied Tech Support). I even did 3 years doing support for Microsponge, er: Microsoft. (Please don't hate me)
I even continued to play SE III untill this forum gave SE IV a general sign of aproval.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by zenbudo:
Dracus: I just finished reading my latest PC Gamer Last night...Myth 3 got something like 50%. Purchase at your own risk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Personally, I'm picking up SEIVG and perhaps an FPS like Max Payne or Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Although I suppose I'd better finish Ghost Recon first. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Simply need something team-like to quench my TFC needs. heh heh

Also, I hear Illwinter's Dominions is also a good turn-based fantasy strategy game. It's produced by three guys, I believe, and their patch list reads frighteningly similar to our own SEIV. Not the best in graphics, but great in scope and execution. Maybe the SEIV for fantasy folks? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

zen<hr></blockquote>


I have not read the latest PC gamer, but I have played Myth and Myth II and really enjoyed them both. Took me forever to sneak into the castle.
Is PC gamer saying Myth 3 is not as good as the other too?

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I can't find Illwinter's Dominions on a web search...who is publishing it?

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Spyder, check out Europa-Universalis.com or you can check strategyfirst.com. the lst one is always up to date, strategyfirst usually behind. will give you description of EU I & II. I have EUI and like it, II is supposed to be better. Basically in 2 you start in 1419 and go up thru Napoleon. All the various countries at that time period are present. Also campaigns, 100yr war, war of roses, French revolution and many more, play the various scenerios or campaigns or play the Grand Campaign in which you take 1 country and try to conquor the world. There are many things that can affect you, religion (most religions at time in game), diplomacy (marry off your children to form alliances), trade, and of course War, numerous wars going on, your allies can drag you into a war even tho you don't want to, you have a choice but if refuse it affects your nation etc, you can also ask your allies to join in war against someone but then all alliances come into play for both sides. really to much to explain, check the sites and the forums, Like I said I enjoyed EUI and look foreward to EUII, good game

PS. My son wants Battle Realms for Xmas, anyone know anything about it or how good it is? tks

just some ideas mac

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

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"Dracus: I just finished reading my latest PC Gamer Last night...Myth 3 got something like 50%. Purchase at your own risk."

They also gave give CivIII (which everyone here is bashing) a 92 (? anyway, 90s) score. Their main complaint with MythIII was bugs.

Phoenix-D

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[quote]Originally posted by Jourin:

EXTENSIVE user mods over next two years turned CTP I into a very good game. CTP II was a step backwards and again Activision refused to support the game, so I say stick with CTP I modded.
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Where do I find the CTP I and II user mods?

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Wardad ]</p>

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for CTP (Call To Power) check out http://www.apolyton.net/ctp2/
IMHO the site really s***s but the stuff they provide is worth the trouble.

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I was going to buy real war, but then I heard it was crap also. It seems to me that lately the larger gaming companies are on the same page. They all produce half-done games and then provide no support.
I was really looking forward to more play with simcity 3000 but it was missing some things from 2000. very big let down, then I tryed CTP and found it less enjoyable then civ II so I was looking forward to Civ III to now hear it is messed up. Myth Sega is taken by bugs. Man where do I go now, am I to be reduced to having to dust off the old games in between seiv turns or maybe I could write one of my own.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41282,00.html

Windows XP = Windows Exposed

Oh, yeah, I wanna have the very LATEST software and be up to date! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Think I'll stick with 98 and a decent third-party firewall, actually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Thanks for the support on this guys. I thought I was going to get flamed on my opinion of Civ3.

What I liked about the game was the AI. It was very good when compared to CTP1 and II. I also liked the Diplomacy feature of this game, the tech tree was nice, and the sound was ok.

What I despised about Civ3 is a rather extensive list. One that I honestly don’t even want to get started on. I have cut my losses, and have uninstalled the game. I am out the 50 bucks, but at least I have a nice new coaster.

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I have Civ3 and so far, I'm not overly impressed. There are quite a few nice concepts in there, but the tedium and late game micro of EVERYTHING leave a bad taste. I cant believe they couldnt even implement some sort of a stack move...

There are quite a few things I do like, and crashwise, its been fine (only one so far in quite a few games).

All in all, it very much feels like an unfinished product. The fact that they had promised 'cool new multiplayer features' and then pulled multi altogether two weeks before release speaks volumes. The whole game has a 'shoddy' feel to it and its obvious that a lot of fine tuning in balance and feel just didnt get done.

Also, someone mentioned 'REAL WAR' down there? Dont bother...it is REALLY pathetic. Its just another 'build a ton of anything and throw it in the general direction of your enemy' type of RTS game. There is no resource management to speak of and the units are very generic. The unit pathing is dreadful. The game is not worth it even if you found it at 50% off IMO. Wait for the $10 bin and MAYBE its worth it for some of the cinematics...maybe.

For EU2, its pretty good. I sort of burned out on EU1 and 2 isnt so different that I'm totally engrossed, but its still a very strong title, especially with the latest and greatest patch (1.02). If you like any form of historically based TBS games, grab this one.

Just my $.02

Talenn

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I am just seconding Spyder’s request. Anyone got a link for Illwinter Dominions?

Someone has already bought me Civ III and it is in the mail. Sigh.

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Does anyone ever wish that they'd update and re-release The Perfect General?

I thought it was a great two-man game. You played the agressor and then the defender and tallyed the points to see who won. Each city or strategic point held counted points. The original game was limited to Armor & Artillery, but the second (which I never played) incorporated some more materiel.

Another game I wish that they'd update and re-release is Global Conquest. The game was done by Dan Bunten (before he became Dani Bunten) and was a great short-term 4x game. You could have up to 4 players; you had to discover resources, defend them and the cities (which were guarded by neutrals) and conduct exploration & war, while trying to maintain resources and funding. One of the very best options of Global Conquest was that you could set up the turn length to one of 4 methods: 1) Unlimited; 2) 5 minutes; 3) 1 minute; 4) Firecracker. Firecracker is the cutthroat setting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif On the Firecracker mode, when the first person hits his done button, ALL PLAYERS ARE DONE http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif really evil http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I would make the game board octagonal and increase the number of players to 8 and make the game board a little larger to accomodate that.

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It is very sad, but Dani Bunten has died due to cancer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif She made games that I will ever have in my memory (M.U.L.E, Command HQ).

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Dracus, Phoenix-D: Yah, they just said that Myth III was nowhere near Myth II in terms of quality. Of course, like Phoenix-D said, this is the same mag that gave Civ3 quite a high rating. Guess first-hand experience is always still the best!

Spyder, Saxon: http://www.illwinter.com/dominions.html

Do most sites/mags rate Civ3 highly? I usually settle on games that there is a consensus of high opinion upon. Although it looks like the scope of Civ3 might take more time than I would have. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

zen

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On operating systems;

err, I'm still running Win95 on a DOS platform, on my "2 cylinder" P233. Must admit though, I havent used my DOS features for a couple of years......

On the positive side, I've never had any incompatibility problems and my machine is very stable....

Wrt CivIII, thanks for the warnings. Think I may receive it as a Xmas present so at least now I have an idea of the issues...

[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: God Emperor ]</p>

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My kids were going to get me CIV3, but I told them to hold off until its fixed and told them to order Napoleon's Le Grand Armee from Matrix, just came out, instead (mail order only). How about a remake of Empire Deluxe? Upgrade to current technolgy, I really enjoyed that game and its partner Empire...

Also looking foreward to the book "The Shiva Option" by Weber & White (sequal to In Deaths Ground) similiar to SE4 and Starfire

just some ideas mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Also looking foreward to the book "The Shiva Option" by Weber & White (sequal to In Deaths Ground) similiar to SE4 and Starfire

[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: mac5732 ]<hr></blockquote>

I am also looking forward to the Shiva Option - dont know about you but I sometimes find David Weber's books to be a little bit gloom, doom and despondancy - it would be nice for a starfire book to be a little upbeat and not sure of religious nutters or bugs that scoff the locals

SEIV - Starfire - cut from the same mold if you ask me but the charm of SEIV is that you are not stuck doing all the wretched paperwork

3rd edition starfire could sometimes feel like an accountancy exam

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Growltigga, have you checked out Baen.com, it gives preview of the lst 10 chapters of the book, good reading. I agree some books become dry or go to far outbound from where they began, one such was the GOR series, lst number of books were ok but then went down hill to where I quit reading them. Another good series is the Lost Regiment by Fourchan (not sure on spelling).

PS. tks Atrocities for heads up on CIV3, from what most everyone hear says, I'll wait until they clean it up first before I decide to buy it.


just some ideas mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by zenbudo:
Dracus: I just finished reading my latest PC Gamer Last night...Myth 3 got something like 50%. Purchase at your own risk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Personally, I'm picking up SEIVG and perhaps an FPS like Max Payne or Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Although I suppose I'd better finish Ghost Recon first. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Simply need something team-like to quench my TFC needs. heh heh

Also, I hear Illwinter's Dominions is also a good turn-based fantasy strategy game. It's produced by three guys, I believe, and their patch list reads frighteningly similar to our own SEIV. Not the best in graphics, but great in scope and execution. Maybe the SEIV for fantasy folks? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

zen<hr></blockquote>

If you are looking for a FPS try the demo for Aliens v Preditor 2. I bought this game yesterday and was just playing the first section of the space marine campaign - very intense with lots of dark corridors full of spooky shadows and nasties. And you get to play as a marine, a preditor or an alien. Time to de-compress with with EU2 or SE4.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:

Windows XP = Windows Exposed

Oh, yeah, I wanna have the very LATEST software and be up to date! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Think I'll stick with 98 and a decent third-party firewall, actually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif [/QB]<hr></blockquote>

-------------

Win98 for me too. But sooner or later... upgrades happen.

Will my old MOO run on XP? How about Privateer II?

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My Win XP has been great so far...so much better than '98 in terms of reliability. It also seems to use much more of my available memory and use it more efficiently.

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[quote]Originally posted by mac5732:
[QB]Growltigga, have you checked out Baen.com, it gives preview of the lst 10 chapters of the book, good reading. I agree some books become dry or go to far outbound from where they began, one such was the GOR series, lst number of books were ok but then went down hill to where I quit reading them. Another good series is the Lost Regiment by Fourchan (not sure on spelling).

Mac, I checked out the Baen site, damn good reading and a nice way to while away a few hours in the office one afternoon but Baen are cruel to taunt fans like this with only half the story!! by chapter 10, I was getting anxious to work out how the Star Empire turns the tide

Messrs Weber and White are class. The Honor Harrington books by David Weber are damn fine reads I think. Altho' I love the Starfire books, I do find myself occassionally stopping half way through and turning to Terry Pratchett as the starfire story has just got a bit depressing

You are so right about the Gor books - I still pick up Tribesmen of Gor every now and then and read it - fantastic fantasy story - imaginative and fast flowing - after about book 12, John Norman seemed to get more obsessed about enslaving girls - obviously got carried away!!

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Hey a MAJOR GRIPE about Civ3....
my goodness, they list the F-15 eagle as the successor to the F-14 tomcat. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The F-14 is a carrier based interceptor. the F-15 is land based interceptor. The F-14 and F-15 have very similar missions. You can't say that the F-14 is being replaced by the F-15
ITS SO DUMB!

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About a stable (mor or less, is MS) OS i think W2K-sp2 is the best.
About hardware, well i allways use components made by serious companies (MSI,ASUS,MICRON).
In the game side, only after the first or second patch is out and the news from the players say is ok, then i buy it.

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I didn't read the entire thread, but i just wanted to say some good things about civ3, it has bugs off course but,

1. The game never crashed on my computer, i have W98, SE4 OTOH crashed several times, even after the first couple of patches.

2. Firaxis are clearly committed to fixing the game, i remember that when the first patch came out, some people with W XP(or was it W2k?) were having problems, some guys at Firaxis worked overtime to get it fixed, and released an updated patch one or two days later.

3.While i was playing the game, i never noticed any of the bugs mentioned and very much enjoyed the game, i probably would have noticed the air superiority bug, but i never got that far.

4. The AI is the best i've ever seen, the AI-players are loyal, if you treat them right they treat you right, unless you're close to winning the game, then they all gang up on you (nobody likes to lose). They also attack with a lot of units, making it dangerous to keep a static defense.

Off course, all of this is my own experience, other people have found flaws in the AI, but i choose not to read them, just to keep me from exploiting that flaw.

One thing i am dissapointed in is the limited modding ability.

[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: LemmyM ]</p>

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mac5732: Battle Realms is a really slick game. Very high production values and quite good. Purchase it for your son! Though I guess this advice came too late.

Regarding Civ3:

It's simply not worth playing in its current state. I won't speak for what the Gold Edition might be like a year from now, but all indications are that this is a game full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Atrocities:
THis game is utter complete crap. Just trust me on this. I have been playing it for a month now, and I just unistalled that POS from my computer. The list of things wrong with it is a mile and half long. I am sick and tired of crap from Sid M. and will NEVER buy his trash again.

To hell with Civilization 3. Oh ya, I just trashed the disk, and am going to send it to them in peaces. (Seldom does a game frustrate me to this point, but this one pushed evey button I had.)<hr></blockquote>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Atrocities:
THis game is utter complete crap. Just trust me on this. I have been playing it for a month now, and I just unistalled that POS from my computer. The list of things wrong with it is a mile and half long. I am sick and tired of crap from Sid M. and will NEVER buy his trash again.

To hell with Civilization 3. Oh ya, I just trashed the disk, and am going to send it to them in peaces. (Seldom does a game frustrate me to this point, but this one pushed evey button I had.)<hr></blockquote>

Atrocities: The game is not that bad, and your acting like sid sleep with your wife or something

Re: Off Topic DO NOT BUY CIV 3
 

Mark P, don't come here and flame please. Stay at STC.

Re: Off Topic DO NOT BUY CIV 3
 

yeah, this is a flame free board, lets keep it that way. I had to smile when Growltigga was being concerned over the smack-talk being moderated in the US v UK thread. this is probably the most mature forum on the net, and people handle friendly and even heated discourse very well. dont drag immature @#%$ like that into it.

Re: Off Topic DO NOT BUY CIV 3
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Growltigga, don't have much time, having xmas at in-laws, if wife finds me on computer, " coal for xmas", heh, heh, I agree about Gor, I began to wonder if he had something against women from the way the story line got lost and he paid more attention to women slaves, right on about Baen, I keep cking to see if more chapters are posted, no luck, leaves you in lurch and hungering for the book, have nice holiday, oooppps wife calling me, gotta go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

ps; the thing that makes this board great is that it is kept Flame Free, open discussions are encouraged and you are free to disagree with whomever, but no flaming, that's what ruins other Boards. Fun Banter if ok

just some ideas mac

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Re: Off Topic DO NOT BUY CIV 3
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Atrocities:
Mark P, don't come here and flame please. Stay at STC.<hr></blockquote>

Atrocities: Sorry for the flame, I’ve should have said, did Sid kill your dog or what! Why so much anger? it gives the impression that you think Sid did this on purpose. And by the way you got some very good ships sets. Add keep up the good work and sorry for the flame.

What is STC anyway???