Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

hey guys. I liked your idea of a game between the old world and us over here in the colonies, and it looks like someone has beat you to it (tho there should be room for another)

Check out the "International War" game on the PBW server, described as follows:

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Game description
Finally a game of international fighting. This is a game of 2 teams. International, i.e. europe, asia, etc. vs. North America. There will be 2 teams of 5 people. The first team to lose all its members are the losers.

When you sign up, please e-mail me and tell me where you are from, and then when everybody has joined up, I will announce what the teams are.

If there are more than 5 members applying for the team, it is a first come first serve basis, and you unfortunately will not be allowed to play. Tell your friends about this game, it's gonna be great.

No Intel


Starting resources: 100000
Starting planets: 5,
Home planet value: Good
Score display: all
Technology level: Medium
Racial points: 5000
Quadrant Size: Large
Large
Event frequency: None
Event severity: Low or none
Technology cost: Medium
Maximum units: 5000
Maximum ships: 5000
Computer players: Low
Computer difficulty: High
Computer player bonus: High
Neutral empires: Yes,

Game information
Owner:
Turn number: 2402.7
Players/max: 10/10
Last turn: Dec 17, 2001 9:33:48 PM PST
Next turn: Dec 19, 2001 9:33:48 PM PST
Turn duration: 48 hours
Turn automation: Fully automatic turns (key)
SE4 Version: Stock v1.49 <hr></blockquote>

I dont know who is who in the game, and the forum is not open to the public, but it is possible to check the stats. I am fairly certain that the Dominion of Canada is fighting on the side of good and right, and they are placed well enough. on the other hand, im fairly sure that the Kindom of Belgium is one of the bad guys and they are placed slightly higher. oh well, its only turn 27 so i dont need to see our guys in ranks 1 - 5 just yet.

anybody have any insider information on this game?

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Puke ]</p>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Growltigga,
I would be interested in a PBEM with you. You seem to have the same experiance level I do. I have about 40 or so hours into the gaame. Before that it was SE III, Empire Deluxe, Civ II,
I'll post the full list in "How old are you" formum tommorrow. I'm still writing it.
This does not constitute a challenge so much as an offer. I feel if we both enjoy it, then we both win, Scores are unimportant to me.
Are you game?

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Puke:
hey guys. I liked your idea of a game between the old world and us over here in the colonies, and it looks like someone has beat you to it (tho there should be room for another)

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Puke ]<hr></blockquote>

Bugger, isn't it typical that when you come up with a good idea, some swine is already there (normally it happens when I come up with a whizzo plan for making money)

Not sure I like this concept of America vs the rest of the world - we need to differentiate and have USA vs various nations eg US vs UK etc

May be Dogscoff and I need to come up with a suitable tag team concept we can apply to this

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Not sure I like this concept of America vs the rest of the world - we need to differentiate and have USA vs various nations eg US vs UK etc
<hr></blockquote>

you're just upset because we get all the good Canadian players and you're stuck with the Swiss.

(anyone here from Switzerland? no offense, really. i just tried to pick somewhere i didnt see anyone from.)

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Puke:


you're just upset because we get all the good Canadian players and you're stuck with the Swiss.

<hr></blockquote>

What sport are you talking about? ice hockey? cos I am not sure the Canadians are any good at any other sport are they? (cue heavy flaming from all forum lurkers north of the US border :mad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I would rather have the Swiss personally, they are good for chocolate, fondues, the occassional laugh and large chested ladies

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Gryphin, definately game on for a PBEM - given that I am about as useful with a computer as I am at line dancing - I am not sure how PBEM works - do you know?

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Afternoon all, right

first off, dumbluck - well efficient response my man - you must have too much sugar in your blood stream, also hope maccie D's sausage patty doesn't give you wind

second, dogscoff - the honour of the Brits is at stake here as we really do not want another bunker hill do we - any assistance would be well appreciated.

third, gryphin - count me in for the PBEM - I will be on holiday until the new year, then in Arizona and then Madrid so we will need to kick the game off say toward the end of January. Which also gives me a little time to get the hang of the game and sus the PBEM thingy.

fourth - honour dictates that I issue a challenge before the game starts so heregoes

"Gryphin - come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" - the UK forum jockeys may understand this better

fifth - question - do you still have alien races on a PBEM or is it a simple - there's Gryphin's empire - kick him in the happysacks?

sixth - sharks??? I'll do sharks if you do skunks - I am a traditional type and will stick with the terran ship types albeit my empire is called the Solar Federation

seventh - 47? I couldn't possibly abuse such an old chap (NB Moderators - this is not flaming)

eighth - Gryphin - I should point out that I charge £150 per hour or £300 for three questions

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
eighth - Gryphin - I should point out that I charge £150 per hour or £300 for three questions<hr></blockquote>How much do you charge for answers? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Krakenup:
How much do you charge for answers? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr></blockquote>

they come free with the deal, what's your next question?

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Growltigga,
1st) dumbluck, Yes, thanks for a fast reply
2nd) doscuff, please remind Mister Tigga that the Red Coats won the battle of * Breeds Hill *, (It just cost them dearly)
I am saving a famous quote for an appropriate time
3rd) The end of January sounds good for me for the same reasons
4th) Challenge hereby accepted. Not only am I hard enough, but I am good enough as well, (a pun you will understand some day)
5th) As for my happy sacks, You and what armada?
5th) &lt; broad grin &gt; Hmm, in the USA, we derogatorily refer to Lawyers as * Sharks *. I will be using one of the easier to see ship sets.
6th) Correct, you don't have what it takes to abuse me, (maybe when you are older)
Moderators: Please allow for friendly banter between me and my young but honorable opponent.
7th) I should point out that the *check is in the mail *

I wish I could meet you in Arizona. I have photos of the area around Tucson at my website. www.windingstream.com
I put my gameing history in * How Old Are You Thread *
More later

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Gryphin
Paraphrasing the response

2nd - remember Pearl Harbour, the Alamo etc etc - about time you uppity yanks got a taste of good old british steel - there are no French to help you this time

4th - teddy bears at dawn I feel

5th - the armada that will be woppin' (is that how is it said?) you in the game

5th - dont worry, I wouldn't dream of taking advantage of your dodgy eyesight

6th - you ain't seen nothing yet

7th - telegraphic transfer of funds only - account details to follow - please note all bills are to be settled in full within 15 days of request

Arizona will be work and a wedding - apparently Arizona lasses think English chaps are a much better catch than the locals - natural selection really

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

G&G, I shall be watching for this bout with great interest, Please keep us posted on details of the coming bash with updates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif go get-em "G"

just some ideas mac

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
[QB]G&G, I shall be watching for this bout with great interest, Please keep us posted on details of the coming bash with updates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif go get-em "G" <hr></blockquote>

Excuse, no New World based partisanship please.

This bout should be quite a laugh, to paraphrase our esteemed wartime leader 'Never in the field of wargaming have so many daft mistakes and stupid moves been made by such a right couple of plonkers

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Growltigga
2nd) The Battle of Bunker Hill was fought on Breeds Hill,
The Battle of New Orleans comes to mind, Something about the War of 1812. Hmm, Jonny Horton had quite a song about it. Would you like the lyrics? Shall I quote Kipling and his poem about the Zulus broke the British Square?
4th) Goodenough is my Last name, and that is the way it is pronounced.
5th) Please send in the fleet, we will use the scrap metal to build a memorial to your vanished race.
* correcting my typo *
6th) I challenge you to choose a ship set that will be difficult to see. I have never used my vision as an excuse, and I would not want to deprive you of an advantage. For things to work correctly it will have to be one of the default sets.
BTW: These dodgy eyes took all but one of the photos at my web site.

8th) True, I have not seen anything yet from you. Nor do I expect to. Though the hot air has been good for a chuckle and a wry grin or two.

7th) You will have to accept telepathic payment

You quote Darwin? I would say you are right. You have to come here to find someone of quality,

[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

"'Never in the field of wargaming have so many daft mistakes and stupid moves been made by such a right couple of plonkers"

Also see

"The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid mistakes, only complicated stupid mistakes that make us wonder if we're missing something."

Phoenix-D

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Growltigga
2nd) The Battle of Bunker Hill was fought on Breeds Hill,

Well now, I have checked my Enclycopedia Britannica and it definately refers to Bunker Hill, not Breeds Hill and as that is the font of all knowledge, I assume it is you Gryphin who is geographically challenged (by the way, for all you colonials out there, London is in England, not vice versa (NB there's me getting chucked out of the forum for good!!!!)

The Battle of New Orleans comes to mind, Something about the War of 1812. Hmm, Jonny Horton had quite a song about it. Would you like the lyrics?

I already know the one about the battle of new orleans ie "we fired our guns but the british kept on coming but there wasnt that many as there was a while ago?" - time for a hoe downI feel and I am beginning to worry that you may be a line dancer or into country and western music

Shall I quote Kipling and his poem about the Zulus broke the British Square?

If you wish - interesting new development on the Zulus on a very good documentary over here - the expose shows they used drugs heavily to work themselves into a fighting spirit so much that you would probably have needed a modern armoured battlaion to stop massed zulu impis - not just a battalion of English and native soldiers with martini henry - that being said we did well as Shaka did say the British were the bravest warrios besides the zulus

4th) Goodenough is my Last name, and that is the way it is pronounced.

You are joking - if not - nice to meet you - mine is Plummer-St John- Fawke

5th) Please send in the fleet, we will use the scrap metal to build a memorial to your vanished race.

Please, typical American chutzbah - if you mention Mom's homemade apple pie and crumbly candy bars (or is that dumbluck) I will personally cry - always remember that only a nationwith considerable history like England can compoete and compoete with style - if we lose, we will lose with style, panache and elegance and if we go down, the galaxy will say that we looked good going down

* correcting my typo *
6th) I challenge you to choose a ship set that will be difficult to see. I have never used my vision as an excuse, and I would not want to deprive you of an advantage. For things to work correctly it will have to be one of the default sets.

The only advantage I need is another bottle of vino and permission from 'she who must be obeyed' to play

BTW: These dodgy eyes took all but one of the photos at my web site.

8th) True, I have not seen anything yet from you. Nor do I expect to. Though the hot air has been good for a chuckle and a wry grin or two.

Likewise - I now christen you Montgolfier for all the hot air produced on this thread - I look forward to the opportunity of learning SE IV and PBEM together - the worst that can happen is that I give up and go back to Shogun Warlord

7th) You will have to accept telepathic payment

Do you have bailiffs in the US? if not, you might have a surprise


You quote Darwin? I would say you are right. You have to come here to find someone of quality,

No, I quote Churchill after the Battle of Britain.
Truly, the best PM we ever had (or at least the one with the largest cojones)


[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: Gryphin ]<hr></blockquote>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Growltigga,
I don't know, but I suspect we will have the answer shortly. I'll try to start a game and send it to you. Let's do trial and error till we get the mechanics down right, then we can start a serious game were the obvious advantage of my age, (47), will aid me in prevailing over someone so young. &lt; bemused grin &gt;.
I'll try to start a game tonight, (4:30 pm my time).
No matter what happens, We know the Red White and Blue will win.
I will use a small cluster glaxy, no catastrophys, and the defaults for everything else.
Please let me know what you think.

Other formum members: Would you li8ke postings of the progress here?

I'll take the Swiss anyday. They make cool tanks.
Enjoy,

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

I haven't looked at this in a long time, but this was a useful utility for PBEM.

edit: how's that for "having a response shortly" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ 21 December 2001: Message edited by: dumbluck ]</p>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

dumbluck,
Thanks, and good morning, Care for some coffee? I'll buy.

Do you think we should make a special Ship set based on sharks for my estimable opponnet?
&lt; I hope he likes my wry humor &gt;

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Good evening. (I haven't gone to bed yet, and until I do, it's still thursday evening, so there!)

I also thought of something else for you. You can just use pbw to distrubute your turns, all you have to do is set automatic turns to off. You execute the turns from your computer, and pbw pretty much does the rest. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

I would love to take part in a transatlantic, but unfortunately my home 'net connection is down for the moment and will probably remain so for several days.

Maybe after Xmas???

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

dumbluck,
Evening? In that case, a glass of Merlo?
Thanks again for the advice.

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

dogscoff,
Just a thought, but if the Glorious Growltigga would accept, perhaps you could "mentor" him in the game and I will seek a similar person here.

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
dumbluck,
Evening? In that case, a glass of Merlo?
Thanks again for the advice.<hr></blockquote>

Heh. Actually, I'm eating breakfast. (yea, I know, but hey, that's what's being served at mc-d's right now....) And us factory workers aint sofisticated enough to drink no wine.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Dumbluck,
Well, in that case, a can of Bud to wash down the grease?
BTW: that BWEM site looked good, but wouldn't it be easy to just send the *.gam file?

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

:: Using my best lecture voice ::
2nd) True, the books talk about the Battle of Bunker Hill, we even have a "Bunker Hill Monument" here in Boston. The truth is, the battle was fought across the estuary from Boston on Breeds Hill in what is now Chealsie.

Hoe down? More like a turkey shoot, (as in the Marianas)
I don't line dance, (cause I can't keep up), but I love CW, Folk (including Irish), and Clasical

I am not surprised to hear that about the Zulus, but what you are saying is that the square was broken by a bunch of drugged guys carrying spears.

Yep, my true name, :: Extending a Hand to Shake :: Full name Steve Frank Goodenough, Nice to meet you also. The Goodenoughs got kicked out of England for causing too much trouble. They settled a town west of Boston, My fathers group came from a bunch that got kicked out of there and went to Buffalo, NY.

I envy you the vino. I love a good Merlot. I no longer have "she who must be obeyed", (I didn't obey enough. More of that Goodenough spirit I guess.

Montgolfier? is that from one of those Brit sit coms my X step daugter used to watch? I don't own a TV so you scored one there
The worse that can happen is our banter will get us kicked off of the forums here.

Actually I look forward to learning PBEM as well, and felt you and I would be a good match in that a study of the questions you ask reflect a mind sufficiently different from mine that would pose a fare challenge but with equal skill level in SE IV.

I don't know about bailiffs, but I assure you full payment in kind. You can wonder what kind it will be.

I dare say, it was Darwin who defined the natural selection process, Not Churchill, (though I agree he was a fine PM). It is sad your friend had to come here to find a woman of quality.

Ok, Now that we have the personaltys established, we can try to keep the banter to SE IV related issues.
Peace and Salutations upon the Holidays

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:


What sport are you talking about? ice hockey? cos I am not sure the Canadians are any good at any other sport are they? (cue heavy flaming from all forum lurkers north of the US border :mad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I would rather have the Swiss personally, they are good for chocolate, fondues, the occassional laugh and large chested ladies<hr></blockquote>

sport? im talking about the international challenge game. sorry for my late reply. please dont take any of my wiseacre comments seriously.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled banter. Please continue the smack-talk.

[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: Puke ]</p>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
:: Using my best lecture voice ::
2nd) True, the books talk about the Battle of Bunker Hill, we even have a "Bunker Hill Monument" here in Boston. The truth is, the battle was fought across the estuary from Boston on Breeds Hill in what is now Chealsie.

Gryphin - given that I reside about 3,500 miles away, I will let you argue with the powers that be about Breeds/Bunker Hill


Hoe down? More like a turkey shoot, (as in the Marianas)

Noted - I can see that I have to learn new parlance

I don't line dance, (cause I can't keep up), but I love CW, Folk (including Irish), and Clasical

Glad about that - I could not play a game with a line dancer. Save for the classical, can we draw a veil over the rest?


I am not surprised to hear that about the Zulus, but what you are saying is that the square was broken by a bunch of drugged guys carrying spears.

Basically yes, 'guys with spears' so hyped up that pain, fear, realisation of heavy losses, superior British hand to hand combat skills (see later) didn't mean diddly - think about it - a man with even the best machine gun going is going to have problems taking out 50 guys with spears on his own, especially if tghose 50 blokes are doped to the nines, know no fear etc

What also was intenresting was the analysis that one to one, the British redcoat was actually far more effective in hand to hand combant than a zulu warrior. Keeping in mind the other African natios you would compare them to, the zulu's main effectiveness came from disclipine and tactics (and numbers)

Yep, my true name, :: Extending a Hand to Shake :: Full name Steve Frank Goodenough, Nice to meet you also. The Goodenoughs got kicked out of England for causing too much trouble. They settled a town west of Boston, My fathers group came from a bunch that got kicked out of there and went to Buffalo, NY.

Hand reached out to shake the hand extended to shake -suddenly hand whipped up to nosed, fluttered at you with a raspberry noise to follow
So what your saying is you come from a line of criminals and outcasts


I envy you the vino. I love a good Merlot. I no longer have "she who must be obeyed", (I didn't obey enough. More of that Goodenough spirit I guess.

Crozes Hermitage or any Cote du Rhone red and I am your man - the advantage of living in England (and especially coming from KEnt) is that France is 25 miles away - good wine good prices more than you can drink and no need to go near those 'orrible Californian wines (let's see if puke is a bon vivant)

Montgolfier? is that from one of those Brit sit coms my X step daugter used to watch? I don't own a TV so you scored one there

The Montgolifier brothers were responsible for the first hot air balloon flight hence the reference

The worse that can happen is our banter will get us kicked off of the forums here.

Not again - I got booted off the topless cheerleader website for flaming

Actually I look forward to learning PBEM as well, and felt you and I would be a good match in that a study of the questions you ask reflect a mind sufficiently different from mine that would pose a fare challenge but with equal skill level in SE
IV.

Sounds like a very polite way of saying I am a thick twat

I don't know about bailiffs, but I assure you full payment in kind. You can wonder what kind it will be.

Bailiffs are nasty big men the courts send to your house to takes your goods away in lieu of debts

I dare say, it was Darwin who defined the natural selection process, Not Churchill, (though I agree he was a fine PM). It is sad your friend had to come here to find a woman of quality.


Natural selection I agree, but I quoted Churchill who was 'the man'

SHE has stated unequivocably that English men are so much nicer than the locals!!!

Ok, Now that we have the personaltys established, we can try to keep the banter to SE IV related issues.

Agreed

Peace and Salutations upon the Holidays

Likewise, I am off to Kent now for a week off so will not be around till next weekend - all the best to all of you
<hr></blockquote>

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

Actually, one more thought - Gryphin what tanks do the Swiss build? do they?

Puke, got'cha and see where you are coming from. Please, can we still keep the Swiss - the Last Canadian I had kept on speaking Quebecois at me

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

The Swiss "S Tank" was in its day the coollest looking and best suitted in its class. It has been replaced with the Leopard 2. More on the history and description here:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/COMPTORN.htm

If you speak Klingon, Quebecois should be easy.

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Puke:

Check out the "International War" game on the PBW server...

anybody have any insider information on this game?

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Puke ]<hr></blockquote>

Do you really want an report? I'm in that game... We are having a bLast...

Bill

Re: Nation Challenge (attn: Dogscoff & Growltigga)
 

absolutely, i am curious to hear if my side is winning!